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TeufelHund84
09-04-2006, 09:54 AM
Just something I was wondering in passing, why do many Finnish vehicles and aircraft have their own version of the swastika on them? It's not exactly the same as the Nazi version, it's often blue and the outer 'arms' are often shorter. I remember seeing pictures of Finnish light tanks (T-26 if memory serves, small thing w/ a 45mm gun) that often had that on the turret, plus I've seen sigs on these boards with Finnish a/c that have the blue swastika on them.

Was just curious.

LStarosta
09-04-2006, 10:05 AM
Finnish "Swastika" (http://www.ainurin.net/history/finnish_swastika.htm)

F19Gladiator
09-04-2006, 10:10 AM
When you have read Starosta's link, you can also find more about the application on aircraft at Kari Stenman's site. Look under "Themes" at the bar at the bottom:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/

Cheers

Capt.LoneRanger
09-04-2006, 10:11 AM
Swatiskas are no Nazi invention. It is an ancient sign for the sun, especially in the nordic mythology.

BaronUnderpants
09-04-2006, 12:29 PM
If im not misstaken the "real" swastica is a mirror image of the finnish ( the upper arms point to the left, not to right.)

Beaufort-RAF
09-05-2006, 03:39 AM
http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery/h2238.jpg

BaronUnderpants
09-05-2006, 04:17 AM
Hmm, allways thought the swastika on the upper wing was the finnish one and the swastika on the tailplane was the german one. ( opposite of my previouse post in fact )

Im quite sure of it to. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Maby thats what u meant?

F19Gladiator
09-05-2006, 04:51 AM
To avoid confusion around this very old symbol you can "Google" it, or start on this page for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

If you look out for it, you will find that it is actually to be found in very different places, cultures and contexts.
I pass it daily when driving past a Buddhist temple here at Taiwan for example - in the left facing version.

Another air force using the swastika was the Latvian A F. I will remember I have seen Latvian Gladiator skins made and posted some time ago.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://surfcity....Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/gladiator_latvia_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/gladiator_latvia.htm&h=250&w=376&sz=19&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=76g2jwMhlmBPZM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLatvian%2BGladiator%26svnum%3D10%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)

You will find a good summary of the history and use over time, in different cultures and countries at the Wikipedia website I posted above. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Pentallion
09-05-2006, 12:50 PM
Ahhh, the power of symbology and mis-association. Makes me want to go back and reread The DaVinci Code again!

TeufelHund84
09-05-2006, 12:56 PM
Well no I mean I knew that its origins are much older than Nazi Germany, and I figured it was highly likely that the Finns did not use the symbol under the same meaning as the Germans, I just wondered how it came to pass in the first place. Thank you guys for the good reading too.

Chuck_Older
09-05-2006, 01:08 PM
I'd very much like to say that the Finnish swastika is part of Nordic symbology while the nazi one is from the area of India- just as is the Aryan mumb-jumbo

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-05-2006, 01:11 PM
Intrigueing shot, eh, Beaufort? Anyone got the story behind it?

Grendel-B
09-05-2006, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by TeufelHund84:
Just something I was wondering in passing, why do many Finnish vehicles and aircraft have their own version of the swastika on them?

Answered already quite well. The Finnish swastika used in ground vehicles and in Air Force was slightly different and in different color.

The Air Force uses the swastika symbol still today. Not as national insignia in the aircraft, but in squadron and unit flags and so on.

Beaufort-RAF
09-06-2006, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
Intrigueing shot, eh, Beaufort? Anyone got the story behind it?

It's from Iraq between the wars, no more info though.