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08-03-2005, 07:00 PM

08-03-2005, 08:18 PM
uh..any other file types instead of .ram?

08-04-2005, 01:37 AM
That's the thing with zeno's site. The point is you watch the crappy lo-res version online using an undesirable file type, and this makes you want more, so you go and buy the hi quality DVD.

08-04-2005, 05:43 AM
yeap, thats buisness I guess http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

08-04-2005, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
That's the thing with zeno's site. The point is you watch the crappy lo-res version online using an undesirable file type, and this makes you want more, so you go and buy the hi quality DVD.

The first 6 years the Drive-In was open, we didn't sell any videos at all, so I guess our web site was "pointless?" Believe it or not, I get fan mail all the time from people (including WW2 vets) who really enjoy "the crappy low res" videos.

Our bandwidth usage for the 13 hours of free online video & graphic files we have available is now up to over 60 gigabytes every month. That's why we started selling the DVDs a year ago(and which also enables us to regularly add more free material.) Less than 1% of our visitors ever buy anything, but they pay the freight for the other 99% who just watch the free videos & read the pilot's manuals. The reason we picked DVDs to sell is because we were already getting fan requests for them, so they match visitor interest.

If we moved up to even low end 100kbs broadband streaming (which most people still can't even receive), our bandwidth usage would more than triple. That expense is why almost all broadband video you see on the net is currently either pay per view porn or short corporate sponsored promos. I occasionally can add single 100kbs clip to our monthly "Matinee" features, but that one flick pushes our usage right to the limit. Fortunately, our "low res" clips are now as good as 100kbs streams were only a few years ago because we re-digitize all our clips every time there is a significant advance in encoding quality.

Finally, there is a fair amount of miss-informed garbage spread around the net about RealVideo (".ram"). But, experts still agree that it offers the best streaming video quality, is at least as secure & reliable as any other format, and is still the most downloaded & used video format among people who actually use streaming video. But, rather than ranting on about that, just read my FAQ page.



08-04-2005, 11:35 AM
Learn something new every day, thanks Zeno!!

08-04-2005, 11:46 AM
No problem. Sorry about the rant, but I just spent a 12 hour day adding more stuff to the site, so I am a little bent out of shape. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


08-04-2005, 12:23 PM
I think the point is that real player is a proprietary s/w and it is not a supported file format for most media players.

Most people, including myself, are unwilling to have more than one media player in their system because of multiple file associations issues and all that. While I'm no big fan of M$, their media player works great, and I have no inclination to borrow trouble. I'm sure I'm not alone there.

If you want to reach lots of people I'd think you'd want to format your stuff in industry standard. *.mpg, *.mpeg, *.avi, etc...

If less than 1% of viewers ever buy something, then wouldn't increasing the size of that 1% also increase your profits? Dunno, just a thought.

I'm sure you have your reasons for picking real player over other standard format streaming players. I just hope they have to do with bandwidth limitations, rather than a philosophical "M$ is a tool of the man keeping me down" kind of thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway, didn't want to get on your case or anything, I was kind of lamenting the fact that I won't get to see you cool videos if they're in *.ram format. And if I never get to see your work, then I'll never know whether I wan to buy one of your DVDs. Again, I'm sure I'm not alone here.

08-04-2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by B0lter:
I think the point is that real player is a proprietary s/w and it is not a supported file format for most media players. ETC. ETC.

If you will take a few seconds to read my FAQ (see above), or even read my post more carefully, most of your questions are answered.

But, anyway..... Where to begin?

.Avi is a high bit rate format used in video production and on CD-ROMs, not suitable at all for web distribution. The quality of a MPEG-1 video file of equivalent bandwidth/size to a RealVideo file is not even in the same ball park. MPEG-2 is better than MPEG-1, but is really designed for DVD and also does not give as good quality as Real Video given the same file size. Neither one of these is really intended for low bandwidth streaming over the net.MP3 is for audio. MPEG-4 shows more promise, but there are still some standards incompatabilities, and the MPEG-4 encoders are not nearly as flexible as the RealVideo encoder, and yes, in A/B comparisons with MPEG-4 at equivalent bandwidths, RealVideo 10 is superior. Ditto on both counts for Windows media.

If people aren't satisfied with the my "low res" videos now, they would be even less so if I used another format.

None of the MPEG formats are considered "industry standard" for streaming Web video. either technically or in terms of usage. The industry standards are far and away RealVideo, Windows Media, and Quicklime. The most used media players are those three, it that order. The other so called "nonproprietary" players are a small fraction of the install base.

RealPlayer is the most downloaded, installed & used player on the Net. While you occasionally hear stories that it is somehow troublesome, I get tens of thousands of visitors who download it & use it on my site and it has been years since I got a negative report. (There were a few 5 or 6 years ago.)

I realize that some people believe too much of what they happen to read on a blog somewhere or see repeated in a forum some place & therefore won't take a few minutes to download a free player to watch 13 hours of free videos. (But they'll take just as much time to pontificate about a technology they don't really know much about.)Net myths are net myths & some people love to repeat them. But then, I have only been a video production professional for 15 years, so what do I know? I know ya can't please everybody. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Having said all that, I continue to evaluate different formats and am not fanatically attached to RealVideo.


08-05-2005, 03:34 AM
I have purchased several of Zeno's DVDs, and they are worth every penny IMHO. I even sent a couple (the flight deck training flick, and "The Fighting Lady") to Oleg in hopes that he would make some changes to PF. Unfortunately, he did not make those changes, but he was very appreciative of the DVDs, and said that his whole team really enjoyed them. For anyone interested in what it was really like back then, I highly recommend Zeno's site for the DVDs.

08-05-2005, 09:21 AM
Zeno, I wasn't criticising. Your site is great, and I love watching all these vids you post up! Opens the eyes in many cases.

Was simply pointing out, in a rather simple manner, how it seems to work.

08-05-2005, 09:42 AM
No problem. Glad to hear you enjoy the site.

I understand your point. I try and keep the "advertizing" unobtrusive, but you would be surprised at the number of emails I still get from people who watch the online videos & then write to ask if the films are available on DVD!


08-05-2005, 05:30 PM
btw guys, theres a program called real alternative (just google for it) that plays real media files without the awful realplayer stuff...

zeno, ever thought of operating like a pr0n site?

and lastly, do u have mossie footage? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ps thanks for posting these things http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

08-06-2005, 08:57 AM
I thought about pay per view, but I think that would eliminate a lot of vistors who don't have the cash.

In the latest RealPlayer 10, it's easy to turm off the obnoxious ads etc. When my player launches, all I ever see is the bare player, nothing more. (BTW, Realplayer now also plays windows media, mpeg & quicktime.)

Hope to get a complete mossie pilot's manual up next month for free download. (I'm sure somebody somewhere will find something to complain about that too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif )


08-06-2005, 04:29 PM
sounds good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif