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raaaid
07-22-2010, 09:56 AM
i was taught mirrors deflect light at the same angle they incide in the mirror since the mirror is perfectly flat

but thats false a mirror is far from being flat

at a microscopic level has valleys and mountains the size of the everest

so imagine im a microscopical cell with eyes that looks in a mirror at the reflection of a person

the mirror for me will be the size of earth and the human the size of the moon

but now the mirror has mountains and valleys the size of the everest

its just imposible i see the persons reflection with any definition at all

so if a cell cant see a reflection since theres huge mountain and valleys in the mirror so its far from being flat why can we?

a cell witheyes cant see a reflection but we can

come on this makes no sense mirrors got to be actually magical

AndyJWest
07-22-2010, 10:02 AM
I'm sure a physicist will be along shortly to provide the proper answer, but I think think this is because provided the unevenness in the reflective surface is at a smaller scale than the wavelength of light, it will have little effect.

raaaid
07-22-2010, 10:28 AM
i dont think a glass can get pulimented to that extend

more taking into account even a shinny slightly puliment stone will reflect things, wavelenght should be huge in this case

so no i think charmed girls are right and magic is very real but kept secret worldwide

im actually an unaware of my power demon

those sissy sexless angels http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

p-11.cAce
07-22-2010, 10:30 AM
I'm going to assume it's an issue of scale - though if you reflect light off a mirror onto a surface some distance away you can see the divergent patterns created by the flaws in the mirror. My wife says that many of the "ghosts" people think they see in old mirrors are just odd reflections that the human mind forces to fit into a pattern resembling a face, since that is what we expect to see when we look into a mirror.

Personally mirrors have kind of creeped me out since I was a kid. When I was little and spent summers with my grandparents I used to lay awake at night staring at this old mirror on a dresser in my room - waiting to see something appear in it. I wonder if that creepy feeling is due to my subconscious recognizing tiny distortions in the reflected room?

AndyJWest
07-22-2010, 10:54 AM
Actually, thinking about it, you must be right, Raaaid - the reflective surface is unlikely to be smooth at the wavelength of visible light scale (around 380 to 780 nanometres). We need a physicist to answer this one...

Erkki_M
07-22-2010, 12:33 PM
One word: scattering.

Also note that a mirror never makes a perfect mirror, even a theoretical one, but it is always blurred. If you can measure accurately enough, yes, the reflected light is not just "mirrored" or perfectly reflected, but to a naked eye it needs greater than microscopic errors. As we all know, that is one huge of a problem to telescope and binocular manufacturers, the cleaner and more even surface, the better.

raaaid
07-22-2010, 12:35 PM
this reminds me on how my mom was told by a teacher of mine that some disliked me due to my unconfortable questions they couldnt answer

oh i love so much to seed uncertainty

raaaid
07-22-2010, 12:48 PM
im not sure im saying i want to know how mirrors work though i do

my main point is that magic deniers, scientifics, have blatantly lie saying a mirror reflects light for being flat

this is a blatant lie based on what things look like but are not actually

nothing is totally flat and who affirms it actually whats saying infinity, eternity if you rather, doesnt exist

give me any flat surface and ill give you an as much powerfull microscope that proves is not flat

and we can play this forever and ill win it forever, nothings totally flat though seems some may want it this way

i know i was taught a mirror reflects things for being flat

see how this sciliers would like to be things:

flat concave convaxe

the square minds want to clasify more than infinite posible shapes into 3 flat concave convex

well the lie again lies in which nothings flat at light ray size level

AndyJWest
07-22-2010, 01:59 PM
Well, if you really want to confuse things further Raaaid, You should ask how it is that since mirrors are made of atoms, and almost all of an atom is empty space, how they actually manage to reflect light at all. Shouldn't it go straight through? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Erkki_M
07-22-2010, 02:47 PM
Thats it raaaid: a mirror doesnt reflect because its a "flat" surface. Where did you find that?!? Hell lots of things reflect radiation and they're not flat at all, like the atmosphere. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

raaaid
07-22-2010, 03:21 PM
besides its proved light is a particle when observed

its only a wave when not observed

if you consider it a particle its a chance matter:

by geometry particles of light will be deflected simetrically since horizontal is the more likely sahpe, but not very abundant though

ill make a google on why mirrors refelct

i could have sworn the clasical explanation was a reflective surface is a flat one

raaaid
07-22-2010, 03:28 PM
the mirrors got to have great force when the flat lie is so widespread:

http://www.google.es/#hl=es&q=...&fp=c8a670eb955228b7 (http://www.google.es/#hl=es&q=why+mirrors+reflect+flat&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=c8a670eb955228b7)

i knew it mirrors are magical portals to left handed antimatter world

now dont break a mirror because if the portal doesn close fast enough the whole universe may collapse, you know that they say about matter and antimatter

btw googling how a mirror works i know i have left this wannabe phisicist confuesd

http://www.thescienceforum.com...ct-things-25633t.php (http://www.thescienceforum.com/i-dont-understand-how-mirrors-can-reflect-things-25633t.php)

edit:

Ácheck the main stream lie to hide magic:

A glass mirror is a piece of glass with a reflective coating on the back side. If a surface is extremely smooth and flat, it will reflect light waves without distorting them. Metal mirrors are less efficient, generally because the metal is difficult to polish to the same smoothness as glass. Water can be an effective mirror, if the surface of it is perfectly smooth.


edit:

oh perfectly smooth, every time i heard this i peace off

Erkki_M
07-22-2010, 04:30 PM
And yet again, you chose to rather ignore others and keep going with your fantasies rather than... You know...

WTE_Galway
07-22-2010, 05:04 PM
What I still want to know is ...

Why do mirrors reverse left and right but not up and down?

Erkki_M
07-22-2010, 05:42 PM
http://zonalandeducation.com/mstm/physics/light/rayOptics/reflection/r1.jpg

AndyJWest
07-22-2010, 06:21 PM
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/AngleOfConfusion.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Only kidding, Raaaid. I like your awkward questions. I'm usually sure you are wrong, but it encourages me to figure out why, rather than accepting the orthodoxy without question. Keep it up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

WTE_Galway
07-22-2010, 06:29 PM
http://www.pacificislandbooks.com/donewi~1.jpg

http://www.erowid.org/library/books/images/alice_through.jpg

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/images-11/mirror.jpg

http://www.grassie.net/photoalbum/photoalbum-Images/66.jpg

raaaid
07-22-2010, 07:28 PM
andy pointed me rightly some time ago mirrors dont reverse left and right but close and far

imagine tiny concave mirrors sahping a bigger flat surface

this is the case in reality so something doesnt fit

mmitch10
07-23-2010, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
What I still want to know is ...

Why do mirrors reverse left and right but not up and down?

Have you tried turning it on its side? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

raaaid
07-23-2010, 09:02 AM
actually this is an interesting question since imo it exposes perception

if in the mirror there are mountains and valleys only like 60% of light will obey the laws of reflection

our brain blocks out the other 40 % of light reflected in the mirror to be able to recognize a figure

is like if you looked at the reflection of the sun in the wavy sea and you saw a defined sun as you had glasses which blocked the weaker light

actually in the mirror there cant be a defined face at all, our brain makes it out

raaaid
07-24-2010, 06:44 AM
the mod of the physics forums answered me this question and you were apparently right andy

actually light wavelenght is huge, half micrometer or 500 nanometres

but this arises the question on how with a microscope you can see with definition a virus the size of ten nanometres

mmitch10
07-24-2010, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
the mod of the physics forums answered me this question and you were apparently right andy

actually light wavelenght is huge, half micrometer or 500 nanometres

but this arises the question on how with a microscope you can see with definition a virus the size of ten nanometres

By using an electron microscope. You're quite right that the wavelength of visible light limits the resolution that can be achieved with microscopes that use visible light. See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T..._electron_microscope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_electron_microscope)

raaaid
07-24-2010, 07:28 AM
thanks a lot

theres something i still dont underatnd:

wavelenght of light seems to specify the thickness of the ray of light

but i thought that wavelenght was actually this:

if you drop a stone in water it will make waves

wavelenght is the distance between the different circular waves that appear in the water

so it has nothing to do with thickness

i think what would specify the thickness of the wave is actually called amplitude

anybody any light on this?

ARCHIE_CALVERT
07-26-2010, 01:32 AM
Mirrors and superstition
There are many legends and superstitions surrounding mirrors. Mirrors are said to be a reflection of the soul, and they were often used in traditional witchcraft as tools for scrying or performing other spells. It is also said that mirrors cannot lie. They can show only the truth, so it is a very bad omen indeed to see something in a mirror which should not be there. Also there is a legend that a newborn child should not see a mirror until its first birthday as its soul is still developing. If the child sees its reflection it is said that it will die.

It is a common superstition that someone who breaks a mirror will receive seven years of bad luck.[24] One of the many reasons for this belief is that the mirror is believed to reflect part of the soul, therefore, breaking the mirror will break part of the soul. However, the soul is said to regenerate every seven years, thus coming back unbroken. To counter this one of many rituals has to be performed, the easiest of which is to stop the mirror from reflecting the broken soul by grinding it to dust.[25] The belief might also simply originate from the high cost of mirrors in times gone past. It is also said that tapping the broken mirror on a gravestone seven times will allow the soul to heal. Another option is to bury the mirror, also preventing the mirror from reflecting the broken soul. However, if the mirror is both touched to the gravestone and buried, the bad luck will remain. If you are in this position, the only course of action is to dig up the mirror and grind it to dust. Finally, this dust must be sprinkled around the same gravestone on which the mirror was initially tapped.[citation needed]

In days past it was customary in the southern United States to cover the mirrors in a house where the wake of a deceased person was being held. It was believed that the person's soul would become trapped in a mirror left uncovered. This practice is still followed in other countries (Greece or Romania), extending to everything that could reflect the deceased person's face (like TV appliances); another explanation given is that the devil will appear in the reflection of the dead. Mirrors falling from walls or otherwise breaking or cracking mysteriously were said to be haunted.

According to legend, a vampire has no reflection in mirrors because it is an undead creature and has already lost its soul.

Spectrophobia is the fear of mirrors.

Another superstition claims it is bad luck to have two mirrors facing each other.[26]

A staple of childhood slumber parties is the game Bloody Mary, which involves chanting "Bloody Mary" three times in a darkened room while staring into a mirror. There are many versions of the game, but the general idea is that "Mary" will appear in the mirror and attempt to harm or kill the person who has summoned her. Thanks to a series of popular horror movies based on a supernatural killer who haunted mirrors, the phrase "Candy Man" may be substituted for Mary