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11-04-2003, 06:07 PM
Oleg, I have some interogation about the IL2 damage model, durability and dive speed.
I'll start with the dive speed, I tested almost all models of IL2's from series 1 to the 3M and I have results of dive speed where I do not comprehend. In all the test, I used the QMB , started at 5000 meter over Smolensk map, clear weather at noon.
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The 1941 series 1 is the one that can substain the most speed in a dive : over 740 kph
From the aircraft description :
Advantages: Unique attack aircraft of the Second World war possessing excellent performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Simple and easy to grasp the controls.
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The 1941 series 3 can widthstand : 700 kph
Advantages: High flight performance. Strong armor and increased fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Simple controls.
Disadvantages: No rear hemisphere protection. Oil radiator vulnerability.
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The 1942 2M first series can widhhstand : 660 kph
Advantages: High flight performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Virtual full aircraft protection. Simple and easily understood controls.
Disadvantages: Reduction of aircraft speed. Oil radiator vulnerability.
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The 1942 2M late series can widthstand : 600 kph
High flight performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Virtual full aircraft protection. Simple and easily understood controls.
Disadvantages: Reduction of aircraft diving speed and maneuverability. Reduced flight performance. Short-lived construction of mixed metal/wooden wing type. Oil radiator vulnerability.
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The type 3 1943 can widthstand : 580 kph
Thanks to the increased output of high-quality aluminum, the Il-2 retrieved its all-metal wings.
Advantages: High flight performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Virtual full aircraft protection. Simple and easily understood controls.
Disadvantages: Oil radiator vulnerability.
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The 3M 1943 can widhstand : 640 kph
Advantages: High flight performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Virtual full aircraft protection. Simple controls.
Disadvantages: Absence of muzzle brakes in the guns leading to strong recoil at firing and difficulties related to conducting aimed fire at pin-point targets with long fire bursts. Lower bomb load. Oil radiator vulnerability.
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What I do not comprehend is the 1943 models, they got their all metal wings and surface controls, better construction, better emgineered and yet the type 3 is the one that looses part the earliest. The 3M has better figures. I thought that the IL2 got better in terms of construction compared to earlier models ?
Another note, can you check why we constantly looses surface controls from any type of small caliber projectile ? What I don't comprehend is sometimes, we get flak from distance, look at the aircraft damage from external, to see little black scratch on the surface of lets say the fuselage, and we constantly loose surface controls, most of the time it will be elevators, often the rudder, and to a lesser extent ailerons.
May I ask what we're loosing actually ? The cables or a jam surface control ?
I believed the IL2 was the most sturdiess plane of all of the VVS, since it was prone to flak hit and so on. As it is now in FB, the IL2 is no near what its legendary sturdiness was back then.
Thanks for reading
Eric - DR Hangar
I'll start with the dive speed, I tested almost all models of IL2's from series 1 to the 3M and I have results of dive speed where I do not comprehend. In all the test, I used the QMB , started at 5000 meter over Smolensk map, clear weather at noon.
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The 1941 series 1 is the one that can substain the most speed in a dive : over 740 kph
From the aircraft description :
Advantages: Unique attack aircraft of the Second World war possessing excellent performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Simple and easy to grasp the controls.
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The 1941 series 3 can widthstand : 700 kph
Advantages: High flight performance. Strong armor and increased fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Simple controls.
Disadvantages: No rear hemisphere protection. Oil radiator vulnerability.
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The 1942 2M first series can widhhstand : 660 kph
Advantages: High flight performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Virtual full aircraft protection. Simple and easily understood controls.
Disadvantages: Reduction of aircraft speed. Oil radiator vulnerability.
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The 1942 2M late series can widthstand : 600 kph
High flight performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Virtual full aircraft protection. Simple and easily understood controls.
Disadvantages: Reduction of aircraft diving speed and maneuverability. Reduced flight performance. Short-lived construction of mixed metal/wooden wing type. Oil radiator vulnerability.
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The type 3 1943 can widthstand : 580 kph
Thanks to the increased output of high-quality aluminum, the Il-2 retrieved its all-metal wings.
Advantages: High flight performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Virtual full aircraft protection. Simple and easily understood controls.
Disadvantages: Oil radiator vulnerability.
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The 3M 1943 can widhstand : 640 kph
Advantages: High flight performance. Strong armor and fire power. Increased aircraft durability. Virtual full aircraft protection. Simple controls.
Disadvantages: Absence of muzzle brakes in the guns leading to strong recoil at firing and difficulties related to conducting aimed fire at pin-point targets with long fire bursts. Lower bomb load. Oil radiator vulnerability.
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What I do not comprehend is the 1943 models, they got their all metal wings and surface controls, better construction, better emgineered and yet the type 3 is the one that looses part the earliest. The 3M has better figures. I thought that the IL2 got better in terms of construction compared to earlier models ?
Another note, can you check why we constantly looses surface controls from any type of small caliber projectile ? What I don't comprehend is sometimes, we get flak from distance, look at the aircraft damage from external, to see little black scratch on the surface of lets say the fuselage, and we constantly loose surface controls, most of the time it will be elevators, often the rudder, and to a lesser extent ailerons.
May I ask what we're loosing actually ? The cables or a jam surface control ?
I believed the IL2 was the most sturdiess plane of all of the VVS, since it was prone to flak hit and so on. As it is now in FB, the IL2 is no near what its legendary sturdiness was back then.
Thanks for reading
Eric - DR Hangar