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LEBillfish
06-27-2005, 06:08 PM
Hi All;

Just a quick tip from my time flying RedBaron3d that we used there that I have tried to promote here yet many still aren't sure of.

As we all know the map is broken up into larger grids...
C3 D3 E3
C2 D2 E2
C1 D1 E1....etc.. Naturally we can zoom in and the grids break down further. However, when zoomed in on the map the grid line quickly become increasingly more difficult to use and who wants to zoom in and out constantly.

So look at your keyboard, something 99% have infront of us when flying...It makes for a great reference. If we select the "Numeral Pad" we instantly have an easy way to be "exact" about locations.

Laid out like this...
7 8 9
4 5 6
1 2 3

If we apply those numbers to a grid square we can focus in rather quickly....The reason is, 4 people can be in C1 at the same time and never see each other.....So using C-1 as an example, if I change that and say C-1-5, it is instantly clear I am in the center of C-1.

the hashmarks don't even need to be used. As the last number now will always be a single digit...So it is clear if you say c145 it is really C-14-5.

It's easy and quick, helps you to "exactly" state where you need help/see the enemy/whatever. Add to it an "altitude" say like c145a3.1km...and now you have just given a perfect 3 dimensional coordinate.

Last addition to that is obviously heading of either yourself or the contact spotted...Simple again c145a3kmh230 and everyone will know you are in C-14-5, at an altitude of 3,000m, heading 230......

Now I can fly the best intercept route to help you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It's simple, easy, and even if just the additional designator of the numeral pad is used, I think you'll find "team" flying gets a whole lot better.

LEXX_Luthor
06-27-2005, 06:16 PM
Efficient...Elegant http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

That Rocks!

The location given is also a direct direction from your current location to the new location (if you know your current location). If you don't know, then yes, you must look at the map I guess. So be sure to always know where you are.

Bearcat99
06-27-2005, 08:25 PM
Yeah thats what we use to give locxation info... altough we are usually on comms so we say... "C14pad5" (pad being keypad...) yeah that is good stuff though...

F19_Ob
06-28-2005, 08:53 AM
Few things are bumbable in general discussion. This beeing one of them.
And what BC said.

LEBillfish
06-28-2005, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Few things are bumbable in general discussion. This beeing one of them.
And what BC said.

What does "bumbable" mean?

JG5_UnKle
06-28-2005, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Few things are bumbable in general discussion. This beeing one of them.
And what BC said.

What does "bumbable" mean? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Erm, well maybe he's alluding to it being agreeable to anal sex? As in he wouldn't mind 'bumming' it or it was 'bummable'.

Hell knows this is far more homo-erotica than any thread covering Keypad Nav Referencing would ever need http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

This system has been used by a lot of us for years and really works very well.

"Charlie 5 Keypad 7 4k 270" tells you a lot in a short exchange http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

DxyFlyr
06-28-2005, 11:54 AM
I heard someone using this the other night. It's very effective.

Have you ever noticed how you're only asked your location just when you're moving from one grid into another? My response usually sounds something like this...

"Well, I'm in C14 kind of near the top, on the right side, just about to go into D13, flying by a kind of roundish mountain right now and there is a river on my left. I'm just on the sunny side of those really big clouds above that city that I can't pronounce but starts with an "O". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Maybe this keypad thing will help out.

WWSensei
06-28-2005, 12:32 PM
Yep, that pattern of reporting location has been a staple of voice comms for quite some time. Warclouds, greatergreen and Wildcats vs Zeros use this pretty often.

It's one of the few things I've seen multiple squadrons, multiple nationalities, and multiple sides actually agree on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEBillfish
06-28-2005, 12:39 PM
Well the reason I post this "old" method is not that it is some bright idea as I said above....Yet simply still so many simply don't get it/use it/understand it.

Point is to get those that don't know it to start using it.....

han freak solo
06-28-2005, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Few things are bumbable in general discussion. This beeing one of them.
And what BC said.

He's got to mean "bumpable". To which he's right.

LEBillfish
06-28-2005, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Few things are bumbable in general discussion. This beeing one of them.
And what BC said.

He's got to mean "bumpable". To which he's right. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhh rgr, thanks....Forgot to use my "typonese" translation part of my brain.

F19_Ob
06-28-2005, 01:15 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif I ment bump.
Cant tell b from P when I'm drunk, or left from right when sober.
Still can fly and drive though.

b anyway looks exactly like p, from another angle. M and N are similar aswell and O is just a speck away from Q ,so mistakes happen.

justiceboy
06-28-2005, 01:16 PM
I have been using this for about 2 years we
give grid then say keypad then give heading "c-4 keypad 4 - heading 180"
works real well and newbies seem to like it, and it realy helps to give heading after that.
gotta know where your buddy is heading in order to attain the fastest intercept point.

a little something from jboy

Hydra444
06-28-2005, 01:18 PM
This is news to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I've always just stuck to someones wing and focused on covering them and what was happening in my general vicinity.

Interesting stuff and easily understood as well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

bun-bun195333
06-28-2005, 01:49 PM
I just shout into TeamSpeak, "Look at all the pretty TRACERS"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SithSpeeder
06-28-2005, 03:42 PM
Calling out altitude is critical, as well. Especially on international servers.

The problem with altitude is the whole units thing... "k" can mean "thousands of feet" or "kilometers". So when someone says "I'm at 3k", how high is he/she? Or even just the "I'm at altitude 5000!" Your country of origin plays a lot into whether you are metric or English.


I would propose the following:
The term "angels" is used to represent "thousands of feet", so "angels-5" = 5000 feet.
The term "k" is used to represent "kilometer" or "thousands of meters"


EXAMPLES:
5k = 5000 meters (approximately 16,000 feet)
angels 5 = 5000 feet (approximately 1.5 kilometers)

Furthermore, a more radical proposal may be needed to ensure that when someone calls out "5000", it is not misinterpreted. One thought is to do away with calling out "feet" or "meters" or even "thousand". For the realm of our sim, "angels 0.1" to "angels 42" pretty much covers it. As does "0.1k" to "13k". In other words, always give a number that is based in thousands and always give an "angels" leading or a "k" trailing.

IMO.

* _54th_Speeder *

LStarosta
06-28-2005, 04:49 PM
Or the term Flight Level (FL) could suffice. FL320 = 32000ft. FL002 = 200ft.

VW-IceFire
06-28-2005, 05:50 PM
Good work Billfish. Until now, I've only been using it on UK-Dedicated because lots of the regulars are used to the term and use it freely. But outside of there I'm not sure if people know what I'm saying.

LeadSpitter_
06-29-2005, 04:04 AM
I still prefer people to say C 15 kp9 alt and direction.

It seems some are doing what you said BF is its rather confusing

C-1-2 for example or they say it quick and just say C 12 and confuses the **** out of everyone.

Lucius_Esox
06-29-2005, 05:08 AM
I think online when using comms the side who speaks the most about position (and therefore SHOULD increase all their teams sa) has a big advantage over a people that don't. One of the biggest reasons I fly on w/clouds.

It makes sooooo much difference, and with practice anyone can become good at it. Thing is to do it quickly and accurately, and if possible adding as much info without confusing the issue (i.e. no of bogies/bandits, respective heights, vectors etc)

Some people are really good at it and when flying with em, and a good bunch of listners, very rarely seem to find yourself at a tactical disadvantage,, which is the name of the game really!!

HotelBushranger
06-29-2005, 06:43 AM
My problem with the map is that, while in the arming menu you can see both the X axis numbers and the Y axid numbers, you can only see one of them in game, forgot which. Makes travelling somewhere to help out a budy very confusing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif