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pursuing1
02-12-2010, 11:30 PM
Uhm, why on earth are the BF109 and FW190 gunsights about 1/3 the actual size, and stuck off in the corner of the cockpit where they're useless to everyone? How one earth does ANYone use these things? I'm getting a 90 arc of the sight if that. Is that normal?? I checked it on another aircraft (a P51) and it's gunsights are perfect.

Coming from BOB2WOV, this is a real let down.

DrHerb
02-12-2010, 11:33 PM
hit SHIFT F1 and your problem is solved.

pursuing1
02-13-2010, 12:04 AM
Not playing at the moment, obviously, but I do hope it's that simple.

M_Gunz
02-13-2010, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by pursuing1:

Coming from BOB2WOV, this is a real let down.

You always judge a game you haven't bothered to learn how to use?

Waldo.Pepper
02-13-2010, 01:16 AM
http://www.guzer.com/pictures/funny_owned_boy.jpg

TinyTim
02-13-2010, 03:17 AM
Many German planes (and also Japanese) had their gunsights offset to the right - so the pilot didn't need to shift his head in order to see through the sight with one of the eyes. However, he was limited to use his right eye.

Like others said - Shift F1 will shift your POV behind a gunsight. I thought that was explained in a manual.

Oh, and before you ask - on some Japanese planes (like Ki-43 and Val) you open the gunsight tube with Ctrl-D and then zoom thru it, while on some other planes you need to assign keys for a hand crank to raise or lower gear (I-16, F4F,...), simply pressing G won't work.

Romanator21
02-13-2010, 03:38 AM
Be sure to visit your control editing page to adjust all the available functions to your liking. Many functions are not default. In addition to what Tiny Tim says, you will need to set keys to select multiple engines, to use the bomb-sight, to release chocks (on carriers) to toggle wing-folding, arresting hooks, airbakes, level stabilizers, mirrors, smoke, tail wheel lock, gun-pods, fire extinguishers, drop-tanks etc.

MD_Titus
02-13-2010, 04:05 AM
RTM?

Tully__
02-13-2010, 04:28 AM
Gunz, Waldo, Titus, be nice to the new people, they're only the future of the genre if you don't drive them away with snide remarks and silly pics.

Choctaw111
02-13-2010, 06:38 AM
The gunsites off to the side of the c0ckpit are historical for German planes and some others.
SHIFT F1 will position your view behind it.
While we are talking about this stuff, some planes don't have automatic landing gear either and you must press the assigned key to manually raise and lower them.

BoB2WOV is a pretty good sim, but there are things that Il2 does much better, particularly online.

K_Freddie
02-13-2010, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
.. some planes don't have automatic landing gear either and you must press the assigned key to manually raise and lower them

what Choctaw111 means to say here, is that you must press the key repeatedly until you get the wheels up/down indicator. This is the same as 'pumping' a handbrake stick, to build up hydraulic pressure, to raise the gear..
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

About the sights.. don't worry about them. After a bit you soon learn to do without them as most of your targets will not be 'sighted' for more than 0.1111034927 seconds http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

pursuing1
02-17-2010, 08:37 PM
M Gunz/Waldo/titus - With wiseasses like you around, I'm not sure I want to bother with IL2. The game is rather large you know, and getting to know every last detail is a bit daunting. But you'd rather feel better about yourself on the internet than actually give someone a useful answer wouldn't you. Says a lot about your personality, when after all, the only thing negative I had to say about the game at that point was the sights in German a/c were off, and couldn't figure out how to fix it. Now, I'm sure you learned this game from back to front before ever turning your computer on, so I'll just ignore your posts and you do the same, ok?

Everyone with a maturity level above adolescent - I haven't had a problem out of the sights since, and am aware it's historical, but seeing as the game comes with no paper manual or any keyboard information of ANY kind (pathetic, after all the money Ubisoft has made on this game) I had no idea how to correctly line it up.

As for Bob2 - the ONLY thing this sim does better than BOB2 is that that are SO many more a/c to fly. Everything else - from graphics (by far), AI, literature/dvd/an actual paper with actual button information! to number of a/c in the sky, to atmosphere, Bob is a very sweet experience. I would say online is nice for IL2, but my comp can't seem to find any servers. My firewall has the game excepted, but still no luck. I don't have this problem with any other game, so it's probably being chucked soon. Surely one doesn't HAVE to mod their game to get a multiplayer server, or bother with some third party BS? Is there some port I'm overlooking?

Anyway, thanks.

EDIT: Never expected any automatic landing gears - so not sure why you mentioned it, but again, thanks. Certainly weren't any on MigAlley, or either BOB title.

AndyJWest
02-17-2010, 08:52 PM
Congratulations all, you've just p***ed of a potential IL-2 user, for no better reason than to impress the few forum users who think this sort of attitude is funny.

Persuing1, if you are still there, you will find some documentation in the IL-2 folder, though it certainly could be made obvious where it is, and some of it is less than user-friendly. Otherwise I'd recommend you look at Bearcat's Nugget's Guide, stickied at the top of this forum, and then feel free to ask questions here.

Zeus-cat
02-17-2010, 08:54 PM
The game used to come with paper manuals and printed key maps. I was not aware they stopped doing it.

There are a few holier tan thou types here as there are anywhere, but there are also a lot of helpful people here.

Check out the Nugget's Guide which is stickied about 6 or 7 topics down from the top of the General Discussion page. The Nugget's Guide has a lot of good info for new and returning players. Recommended in that guide is my training campaign - Straight From the Farm. You can get my campaign from M4T by using the link below.

Straight From the Farm is specifically designed to show you how to take off and land on grass, and aircraft carriers. It also tells you what functions need to be mapped for takeoffs and landings. The missions are very quick to play, generally 2 to 3 minutes each.

The first one starts with the very basic concepts you need to takeoff safely. Each subsequent mission adds an idea or two. By the time you are finished with he campaign you can land on an escort carrier!

The campaign will work in both PF and IL-2 1946.

pursuing1
02-19-2010, 03:06 AM
Yeah, I'm somewhat still around. Thanks for the help and advice, needless to say the welcome wasn't warm to begin with.

My game didn't come with anything, it came in a plastic box (surprised it wasn't a jewel case really) one would expect to find many games to be in, with the one dvd and nothing else.

I'm great at taking off, when I remember to wait on flight-mates - lol - and since I die often I don't worry much about landing. (kidding of course.) I'll try out the training missions.

Something that does annoy me, but isn't the end of the world, in this guide you guys directed me too - it says to use "hyperlobby" or something along those lines for MP. So the in-game MP function is useless? Will the in-game MP function work for LAN games? Sorry for not making a new thread of this, but didn't see the necessity really.

I have one other issue - using a Saitek x52 I can't seem to get rudder trim to work for me at all, even though I'm sure it's set in game. Twisting the stick works wonders, but the little dial I have for it does nothing. Elevator trim works wonders. Pretty sure it isn't the stick - just had one RMA'd before this one as it had a bad x-axis.. as in it didn't work, at all.

Thanks in advance if anyone has any help.

Erkki_M
02-19-2010, 03:19 AM
HyperLobby is a program about 90% or so of people playing il2 join games from. Also stars chat and mini-email style pager. Supports multiple sims, and not all are flight sims(ie. theres Dangereous Waters). Servers vary from "air Quake" instant-action servers via nearly or at full dificulty ones with pseudohistorical/historical-ish missions, mission objectives and even some degree to cooperation to online wars, as well as user made COOP missions where nearly anything is possible.

http://hyperfighter.sk

When starting, IL2 is Forgotten Battles and not Il2 sturmovik(which is for the original il2). If HL doesnt find the game, click the connect button with 2nd mouse(right) to set the installation path, which is X:\....\il2fb.exe.

While I agree with you with the bob2's atmosphere(really gives you some idea on the size of the clash of two superpowers of the time), and while it has better AI, il2 is otherwise superior, yes even graphics. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Just needs some tuning and tweaking like nearly every PC game.

M_Gunz
02-19-2010, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by pursuing1:
Uhm, why on earth are the BF109 and FW190 gunsights about 1/3 the actual size, and stuck off in the corner of the cockpit where they're useless to everyone? How one earth does ANYone use these things? I'm getting a 90 arc of the sight if that. Is that normal?? I checked it on another aircraft (a P51) and it's gunsights are perfect.

Coming from BOB2WOV, this is a real let down.


M Gunz/Waldo/titus - With wiseasses like you around, I'm not sure I want to bother with IL2. The game is rather large you know, and getting to know every last detail is a bit daunting. But you'd rather feel better about yourself on the internet than actually give someone a useful answer wouldn't you. Says a lot about your personality, when after all, the only thing negative I had to say about the game at that point was the sights in German a/c were off, and couldn't figure out how to fix it. Now, I'm sure you learned this game from back to front before ever turning your computer on, so I'll just ignore your posts and you do the same, ok?

Well I am 53 and when I read exaggerated and inaccurate remarks like the OP and then see he hasn't bothered to
learn -->not the minute details of the game but one of the BASICS YOU START WITH as a basis to complain<-- then
why am I the one who is immature for pointing that out? GROW UP YOURSELF! Your little snap-back without looking
at your own actions is not a sign of maturity is it? If you have to be mollied and coddled like a little kid or
somebody's beotch GF then what does that say about YOU?

As to the sights, size and position, they are modeled from actual aircraft blueprints. HOW WRONG IS THAT?

You were already told the "fix" before I posted. What *I* posted was to give you a head's up, you need to fix
something else. Perhaps I should have just made a 4-letter reply as: RTFM!

If you were the "big man" then you would own up to screwing up. Instead, you want to defend your own mistake.
yeah, you're real mature, you are.

Sorry Tully but that come in with attitude and can't take having their view criticized in the least when it is
their view that's at the root of the problem only leaves the next and next and next where every time it is the
game that's wrong even when it's not. This is the kind of person who turns a car on the highway without looking
back and gets mad when you blow your horn to get their attention that you are in the space they are trying to
pull into. Half the time they're on the cellphone to boot and always the dirty "you've invaded my space" looks.

berg417448
02-19-2010, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by pursuing1:


I have one other issue - using a Saitek x52 I can't seem to get rudder trim to work for me at all, even though I'm sure it's set in game. Twisting the stick works wonders, but the little dial I have for it does nothing. Elevator trim works wonders. Pretty sure it isn't the stick - just had one RMA'd before this one as it had a bad x-axis.. as in it didn't work, at all.

Thanks in advance if anyone has any help.

What aircraft are you flying when you attempt to adjust rudder trim? Aircraft such as the Me-109 and the Fw-190 did not have pilot adjustable rudder trim and were rigged to be in trim when the aircraft was at cruise speed. Try an aircraft like the P-51 which has adjustable rudder trim to see if your stick is working.

MD_Titus
02-19-2010, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by pursuing1:
M Gunz/Waldo/titus - With wiseasses like you around, I'm not sure I want to bother with IL2. The game is rather large you know, and getting to know every last detail is a bit daunting. But you'd rather feel better about yourself on the internet than actually give someone a useful answer wouldn't you. Says a lot about your personality, when after all, the only thing negative I had to say about the game at that point was the sights in German a/c were off, and couldn't figure out how to fix it. Now, I'm sure you learned this game from back to front before ever turning your computer on, so I'll just ignore your posts and you do the same, ok?

Everyone with a maturity level above adolescent - I haven't had a problem out of the sights since, and am aware it's historical, but seeing as the game comes with no paper manual or any keyboard information of ANY kind (pathetic, after all the money Ubisoft has made on this game) I had no idea how to correctly line it up.

As for Bob2 - the ONLY thing this sim does better than BOB2 is that that are SO many more a/c to fly. Everything else - from graphics (by far), AI, literature/dvd/an actual paper with actual button information! to number of a/c in the sky, to atmosphere, Bob is a very sweet experience. I would say online is nice for IL2, but my comp can't seem to find any servers. My firewall has the game excepted, but still no luck. I don't have this problem with any other game, so it's probably being chucked soon. Surely one doesn't HAVE to mod their game to get a multiplayer server, or bother with some third party BS? Is there some port I'm overlooking?

Anyway, thanks.

EDIT: Never expected any automatic landing gears - so not sure why you mentioned it, but again, thanks. Certainly weren't any on MigAlley, or either BOB title.

strangely "read the manual" is an attempt at being helpful.

on your 1946 dvd there should be a plane guide and manual, if you use "explore" to search through it, fairly sure the plane guide gives this information under the afflicted plane types, as well as other useful stuff like supercharger altitudes, etc etc. also you may well have to assign the rudder trim in the controls menu. dial the rotary you want to assign, in pretty much the same way you assign the joystick. maybe check the profiling software so that it is certainly there as a rotary. also some/lots of planes don't have rudder trim.

gunz pretty much covered the rest.