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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 09:56 PM
Top Gun star Tom Cruise is to return to the skies in a new film about a Battle of Britain flying ace, it emerged today.

The actor will play an American who broke US neutrality at the start of the Second World War to fight the Nazis.

The Few is expected to feature ferocious dogfights over the English Channel, Variety reported - similar to the graphic battle scenes in Saving Private Ryan.

Cruise's character, Billy Fiske, will be based on the first American pilot to be killed in the war.

Former Olympic athlete Fiske, who was half-British, responded to a call from Winston Churchill in 1940 for pilots in the US to join the RAF and fly Spitfires.

Cruise, 41, shot to fame when he played a fighter pilot in 1986 box office hit Top Gun.

http://breaking.tcm.ie/2003/09/10/story112892.html

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 09:56 PM
Top Gun star Tom Cruise is to return to the skies in a new film about a Battle of Britain flying ace, it emerged today.

The actor will play an American who broke US neutrality at the start of the Second World War to fight the Nazis.

The Few is expected to feature ferocious dogfights over the English Channel, Variety reported - similar to the graphic battle scenes in Saving Private Ryan.

Cruise's character, Billy Fiske, will be based on the first American pilot to be killed in the war.

Former Olympic athlete Fiske, who was half-British, responded to a call from Winston Churchill in 1940 for pilots in the US to join the RAF and fly Spitfires.

Cruise, 41, shot to fame when he played a fighter pilot in 1986 box office hit Top Gun.

http://breaking.tcm.ie/2003/09/10/story112892.html

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 10:14 PM
I hope they doe it justice. Pearl Harbor had good action scenes but a ridiculous story. I hope "The Few" doesn't fall into the same trap...

charlie19sqn wrote:
Cruise's character, Billy Fiske, will be based on the first American pilot to be killed in the war.


Gee,I wonder how the movie ends.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 10:34 PM
You should see the crap-storm that erupted at SimHQ about this, personaly If I want total acuracy I'll either A)Play Il-2 or B)Rent a documentary if I want entertainment, I'll go to the movies. I think it sounds good, Cruise is apretty good actor, and after Pearl Harbor, you can only up so It should be a good, and I think its shameful to criticise a movie before production has even started.

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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 10:36 PM
With all due respect to Billy Fisk, He was not and would not have claimed to be a fighter ace.

I would have thought anyone who has ever seen a fighter at a display, or played Il2 would have howeled with laughter at the action scenes in Pearl Harbour.

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 10:40 PM
Oboe wrote:

I-would have thought anyone who has ever seen a
- fighter at a display, or played Il2 would have
- howeled with laughter at the action scenes in Pearl
- Harbour.

Hey,I never said it was accurate,they seldom are. I'm just longing for a aviation movie with the realism and impact of Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers.


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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 10:53 PM
He was half British I think and also the only American who was killed in the BoB.


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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:40 AM
Thanks for the info that the guy got killed... now when the movie comes out, I won't have to be surprised when the character gets killed. I just hate it when I dont know the end of a movie before I see it.



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09-16-2003, 01:43 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:55 AM
I hope it's more accurate than Top Gun. I'll never forget the part where the ship's captain warns everyone about the danger posed by the "Mig-28 armed with Exocet missiles".

ROFLMAO!!! What idiot thought that line up.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 03:08 AM
OberstWiley wrote:
- Thanks for the info that the guy got killed... now
- when the movie comes out, I won't have to be
- surprised when the character gets killed. I just
- hate it when I dont know the end of a movie before I
- see it.
-
-
-
-
- Thanks again.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 03:39 AM
I'm sure if Tom Cruise is in it, it will be of the highest caliber!

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:02 AM
If the history books are twisted by hollywood as much as in "Enigma", then Tom will single handedly shoot down the entire luftwaffe in a stars & stripes P-51 and actually survive in the end, despite the attempt at sabotage by a 'baddie' with an english accent.

I'm not trolling, but genuinely curious - is the american film market so shallow that it just won't go to see a film where an american character is not the 'hero'?

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:10 AM
BiscuitMonster wrote:
- If the history books are twisted by hollywood as
- much as in "Enigma", then Tom will single handedly
- shoot down the entire luftwaffe in a stars & stripes
- P-51 and actually survive in the end, despite the
- attempt at sabotage by a 'baddie' with an english
- accent.
-
- I'm not trolling, but genuinely curious - is the
- american film market so shallow that it just won't
- go to see a film where an american character is not
- the 'hero'?
-
-

Hey, don't knock it! I'm proud to be British and therefore - by default it seems - a devious kniving sinister master villain. But perhaps that's just the cynic in me?

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:12 AM
I think that the film "Battle of Britain" from 1967 is the best movie about WWII fliers.

The germans speak german not English with a german accent when they don shout "achtung, halt or heil"

There are mostly real planes, the spanish airforce sold out their wintage planes.
It describes the history rather well.
The only thing bad is that there are no real stukas, just radiocontrolled models, and no Me-110, because their are no flyable kites left.
As war movies are on, the film "Das Boot" is the best war movie I have seen

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:16 AM
Laughable Hollywood rewrites of history aside, I hope it's not 100% crappy shiny CGI and they actually make an effort to do at least a token amount of air to air footage with some warbirds.

To be fair, the aerial footage in Top Gun was awesome. Back in the days before they though they could do it all with computers (and they've not managed a convincing effort yet).

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:23 AM
BiscuitMonster wrote:



"If the history books are twisted by hollywood as much as in "Enigma", then Tom will single handedly shoot down the entire luftwaffe in a stars & stripes P-51 and actually survive in the end, despite the attempt at sabotage by a 'baddie' with an english accent.

I'm not trolling, but genuinely curious - is the american film market so shallow that it just won't go to see a film where an american character is not the 'hero'? "


Actually I like Tom Cruise, as far as I know he spends a lot of his time in England. Good chap...

But I do get that sinking feeling of why we can`t have a British Hero in what was our Greatest Hour. Are there ANY recent British WWII films with a Brit lead? I notice there are quite a few old black and white ones. Would Americans really be that turned off by a British Hero? It`s like having FB without the Spitfire... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif One day the Brits will get their finger out!

Well, I hope it will be accurate, realistic and authentic. No anti-gravity flying aircraft. I`m sure special Effects will be great./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:27 AM
A fun T Cruise fact...
He's too short to be a US Navy fighter pilot by almost a foot. I guess he was sitting on some books in the F-14 cockpit.

Also funny back then all the dogfighting scene's were done with R/C Gas Ducted Fan jets.

I imagine this movie will be good, but unfortunately will be another CGI wonder. I would prefer they spend millions on reproduction aircraft, and stunt pilots. CGI looks well...CGI.

Also most T Cruise movie's involve crazy insane manuever or stunts that are impossible or simply stupid. For starters dogfighting in modern fighter jets is something left to actual US Navy Top Gun and US Air Force Red Flag training excersises. Jets just like WWII aircraft are still in an energy fight. So slamming on the brakes is typically a very bad idea. Unlike an F-15 and F-14 does not have a 2 to 1 thrust to weight ratio and cannot instantly reaccelerate. To my knowledge the F-15 is the only jet in the world that can break the sound barrier vertically from takeoff.
Modercycle's cannot do and endo (nose stand) followed by a 180 degree rotation without falling over.
Of course they also can't magically go from street slicks to off road knobby's either.

Of course his movies are typically full of action, and while the stunts rate on the cheesy impossible end they are good movies. Of course "Pearl Harbor" just like the movie "Titanic" is how hollywood tells history. Or else they would really suck as they've all been done.
They took the Titanic and focused in on a love story so people could associate with the characters and feel more dramatic when they sunk.
Same with Pearl Harbor with the twisted love triangle, and a little flair with some CGI battle scene's. I mean c'mon who didn't feel bad when Red's girl got strafed?
I mean 2,500 anonimous (sp?) characters getting blown to bits while historically correct is boring.
Yet when they focus in on a few you begin to relate to them, and kind of get deeper into the movie. So when they get blown to bits it's more dramatic.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:31 AM
Red's girl got strafed?
Well that`s ruined it for me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:32 AM
Hopperfly22 wrote:
- A fun T Cruise fact...
- He's too short to be a US Navy fighter pilot by
- almost a foot. I guess he was sitting on some books
- in the F-14 cockpit.


You have to be six and a half feel tall to be a US Navy fighter pilot????!!!!!!


Wow!


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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 11:19 AM
Yes, why not have a film after all this time about a Much more interesting and action packed life story such as Marseille (the young upstart who loved jazz and had problems with his superiors, was the most prommising fighter and a master at shooting unbeaten but died when he jumped from his 109) Moelders who Fought in spain already and invented the stil used fingerfour formation, was the rolmodel hero for the third reich until he came in conflict with the Nazi governement because of the prosecution of his fellow Catholics, he died in a chrash while on his way to the funeral of a other degraded hero: Udet. Was this really a accident?)
Or to the guy who had the most colourfull career of all the fighterpilots in the world need i say more?: Galland.
Interested in a story about Victory romance with intense drama at the end? a boy named Hartmann, the unbeaten victor over 352 airial victories, the Russian put a large price on his head he has escaped from enemy lines, he was inprisoned for 11 years in a Soviet camp, his spirit unbroken he joined the modern Luftwaffe and was reunited with his childhood love.He has flown and was tutored with the LW's most succesfull fighterpilots.
If it needs to be a Allied Ace again... Why not Sailor Malan?
This South African was the Allied counterpart of Moelders, Great tactician the silent BOB Hero who after the war fought a much more difficult war in his own country Apartheid!

I think here there is a few examples of very intersting careers to be put into a script!
Also I think there are much more intersting actors to play these caracthers!
Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 11:30 AM
Tom Cruise is only 5 foot 6 when he's standing on his tippy toes. Seriously the guy is way short, and I'm not nocking short people just the military has their standards. Basically they only build one size cockpits and the seats don't slide up or back.

Point in fact watch Top Gun when he's riding the Ninja motorcycle around. It looks like a big bike doesn't it?
Fact is it's a very small motorcycle that only looks big because it's T Cruise sitting on it.
Also when both his feet are on the ground he's on his tippy toes.
This is a motorcycle that myself at 6' 4" can stand over and have to literally sit down on the seat. My knee's also do not fit in the grooves on the side of the gas tank.

Plus if I recall you have to be a minimum of 5' 8" tall and a maximum of 6' 4" tall. T Cruise is more like 5' 4" or less.

Just like Kid Rock is a very short short person. It's why they call him kid, and why he has a midget on stage with him because it makes him looks taller.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 11:34 AM
Just hope they´ll use real planes & not some uber-animated-hi-tech-stuff like in PH. Mr Cruise isn´t bad after all - I enjoyed his playing in Vanilla Sky & the Kubrick-thing (I don´t recall the name of the movie). Interesting.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 11:41 AM
Lets hope that they get all the accuracy of Hot Shots in there where Charlie Sheen does a superb job of being the renegade pilot all done using real planes and real stunt men i'm sure /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 12:01 PM
oh dear, Hollywood,realism and truth don't go together too well.Thats the end of that film then,but i hope to be corrected and made to eat my words when the film comes out,my words are made of chocolate so i look forward to eating them LOL

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 12:27 PM
Biscuitmonster got it right.

History will be twisted to glorify the American contribution. That's not to discredit those who did fly for us (we're very grateful for the help) but rather to state that Hollywood will say or do anything for cash.That makes me want to p*ke especially as yesterday was Battle of Britain day. Stand by for sanctimonious lectures on freedom, cowardice of French and their cheese.

Historical realism and a degree of persepctive probably won't make for good box office, just like in Private Ryan where you'd think Brits, Canadians and everyone else just weren't there. Grrr.

My expectations are low. I'll stay away - I don't want history rewritten for sake of a studio's bottom line. The real pity is that people are so credulous they will think it is a documentary. I'll wait for some real fantasy and hold on for Return of the King.

Really if it is inaccurate, it just dishonours all those who flew and died on both sides.



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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 12:54 PM
I might watch this flick, only because it will have Spits and Hurri's fighting 109's in it. Provided they don't do the "Top Gun" and try to convince us that a camouflaged Cessna is a 109... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

What I really, really want to see though is a 3-hour film about the Red Baron, Manfred Von Richtofen. I have a great book about him that came with Dawn Patrol (remember that anyone?), that details almost every aspect of his life, among other things with excerpts from letters to his family, and copies of many of his kill-reports.

That book gave me a real impression of the human being behind Richtofen, and his story would be friggin' awesome on a screen.




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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 12:57 PM
Sounds good but it will be twisted one of my mates grandfathers was one of the men who found The enigma machine was he in the film no of couse not because we all know that it was just the Americans in the war! ok he did get a letter of apologie and free tickets to go see it (as if he would). But seriously I think its going to be bad just look at the Italian Job 1 THERE NOT MINIS!!! there BMW crap. and 2 ITS NOT EVEN IN ITALY!!

On that basis we will have the battle of britan with P-51 and it will be in america or will just have no brits in wat so ever

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 12:58 PM
Oh god no. Not another "accurate" Hollywood war movie. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Let me guess, as they are bound to say it will be "not historically accurate" this is the brief summary:

"The story of a US fighter pilot who singlehandedly saves Britain and the World by shooting down 200 aircraft during the BOB. He is killed in the end of the film whilst saving 10 useless British squadrons and the Royal Navy by ramming his American-built and engined Spitfire Mk XIV into the Tirpitz and is posthumously awarded the VC,He leaves behind his pregnant bride" (no doubt we will get to see the act of the conception in full detail during the film).

Hollywood and accuracy = oxymoron. With their accuracy, they couldn't hit a barn door at two paces. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

The sad thing is if this goes ahead, yet another generation of youth will grow up believing that this film is an "accurate portrayl". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Hollywood has no right to make war films. If they can't get it right, they shouldn't be allowed to do it IMHO. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Wonder what the family of the real pilot thinks of this, Hollywood making money out of his sacrifice. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:04 PM
M0NS wrote:
I enjoyed his playing in
- Vanilla Sky & the Kubrick-thing (I don´t recall the
- name of the movie).

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:12 PM
Wahoo! Hope the movie worth the ticket...

Anyway can someone send a copy of FB to Tom Cruise, let him 'FEEL' the DF feeling, i think this will help.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:18 PM
Hell. They gone and gave away the ending!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

charlie19sqn wrote:
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- Cruise's character, Billy Fiske, will be based on
- the first American pilot to be killed in the war.
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09-16-2003, 01:19 PM
necrobaron wrote:

- Hey,I never said it was accurate,they seldom are.
- I'm just longing for a aviation movie with the
- realism and impact of Saving Private Ryan or Band of
- Brothers.

That movie is called Memphis Belle.

Regards,

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:27 PM
DKP wrote:
- He was half British I think and also the only
- American who was killed in the BoB.


Well I say the yanks should have tried harder /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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09-16-2003, 01:29 PM
Well im a CGI guru by default http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I have seen some aircraft in CGI that looks damn convincing! It all depends on the CGI house, and how much money they put into it. Its a simple fact that they can save a lot of money going CGI, but recently I have seen an extreme drop in CGI quality simply because there are TONS of cheap CGI houses out there doing sub-par quality work. The BOB fight in Pearl Harbor was VERY good in my openion. Also, the stuff I have seen from Deap Blue Sea is also very nice. On the other hand you have stuff like Spiderman. Ick. If they get a CGI house that knows a thing or two about aircraft, has a large server farm, and some good artists, it will be good. If they go cheap, the hole movie is shot.

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Hopperfly22 wrote:
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- I imagine this movie will be good, but unfortunately
- will be another CGI wonder. I would prefer they
- spend millions on reproduction aircraft, and stunt
- pilots. CGI looks well...CGI.
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09-16-2003, 01:34 PM
Beirut wrote:
- I hope it's more accurate than Top Gun. I'll never
- forget the part where the ship's captain warns
- everyone about the danger posed by the "Mig-28 armed
- with Exocet missiles".
-
- ROFLMAO!!! What idiot thought that line up.
-
- "Watch out Captain Cruise, the Me-111 Zeros carry
- GAU-8 Avenger gun pods with the 50mm ammo. Be
- careful!"


I thought TOPGUN was with it's (too many to list) technical innacuracies more of a comedy than a love story ..

They probably used the excocet line because it was still a familiar word from the Falklands ..

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:40 PM
- Actually I like Tom Cruise, as far as I know he
- spends a lot of his time in England. Good chap...


His psychtherapist suggested it to help him cope with his short little fella complex ...

If he's gonna be portrayed as a pilot, he'll be sittting on a phonebook or two for sure !!

CC

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 02:00 PM
Time and again while reading journels from real soldiers from all nations(not just we glory stealing yanks) This same theme occurs often.
Combat is a long, Long series of tedious boredom interrupted by brief flashes of terror. Now of course this is just MHO but wouldn't that make a rather slow pace if they went for 100% accuracy?
As for Hollywood making crap. Absolutly! As far as it being stilted in favor of a American audience.....duh! Wouldn't be real profitable to cater to anyone else for them, now would it.
Just a few short days ago I read on here hundreds of posts of respect for the American people. Today back to business as usual I suppose. ( there is your sanctimonious lecture part)
There really is a simple solution to hollywood crapola, just don't buy a ticket. Read a book or as suggested watch one of dozens of great documentaries from All sides involved.
Then again you could go see that big blockbuster currently being filmed in Berlin....no wait, I meant London,....wait Paris??... well crap, guess we are stuck with Hollywood again.



Message Edited on 09/16/0301:01PM by J.D.Carter

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 02:09 PM
Of course I don't think I would want to be remembered as the first American to die in WWII.
I'm American and I can get behind a movie that has a non american hero. Like that movie...ah...what was the name again..? lol
How bout Dog Soldiers or the french movie (honestly can't remember the name) about the mad guy who came back from africa and the beast running around he created that everyone thought was a werewolf. something De Lupus

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 02:41 PM
I believe you have a movie industry in Britain, no?

Make your own movies about World War 2. Is it really so hard? There must be no market for them if they haven't been made recently.

Do one about about wasting the Candians at Dieppe. It could be a homage to "Galipoli"(sp?) Do one about Dunkirk, which really has an amazing, tension filled back story about an admiral of the RN having essentially 48 hours to organize the largest sea evacuation ever pulled off, who wrote in his journal that he didn't think he could get it done.

Do one heavily featuring the British in their part of the disasterous miscalculation called "Market Garden." Oh wait, that one was done with Sean Connery, Michael Caine and a cast of thousands in a little pic called "A Bridge Too Far." Do one about the Bridge on the River Kwai. Oh wait, Holleywierd made that one with this unknown Sir Alec Guiness as the lead. I heard that despite the critical acclaim and box office success, that no one could really identify with a foreigner as the hero here in America. This same problem afflicted "Lawrence of Arabia" set during World War I, made by Brits, and foolishly financed by American money. We have even blown it with the Germans, making the World War I themed flop "Blue Max."

Should we Americans complain that Damien Lewis played **** Winters in Band of Brothers, or that a third to half of the cast was played by Brits? Lewis was excellent, BTW.

If you think foreign box office is the primary market for American produced films, or even a serious calculation in the choice of most scripts, casting decisions, and whatnot, I'll take some of what you guys are smoking.

Make your own movies! If they are cost prohibitive, have India make them.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 02:50 PM
Just for the avoidance of doubt, I have nothing against Americans at all. I've always enjoyed the US whenever I've been there and like the people.

I just think it's a shame that history has to be distorted to provide entertainment (and really then it's only done the bottom line for the studio, nothing else). It's sad that the studio's view of its audience is so low as to think that the only way an American audience can enjoy a film is to have an American hero; I'm sure that's not actually the case. Loads of American films are really enjoybale and often excellent cinema (in its arty sense) as well.

Just seems sad to me that so many sacrifices have to be belittled to make a few bucks for warner bros or whoever.



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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 03:35 PM
- Just seems sad to me that so many sacrifices have to
- be belittled to make a few bucks for warner bros or
- whoever.

Well, to our everlasting credit as an audience, Pearl Harbor lost a lot of money for the producers and the studios involved. We generally know when Hollywood has gone beyond the pale as most of us know that PH was not about the Japanese sneak attack on a boring American love triangle.

Saving Private Ryan was a mostly excellent movie. Same with Memphis Belle. Band of Brothers has a sequel in development following a Pacific unit. Everyone with half a brain in America knows that U-571 is a rip-off of a true British capture. We slammed Windtalkers and the Thin Red Line. Top Gun is largely seen as Tom Cruise battling sexual ambiguity issues and was an easy target of a parody movie called Hot Shots.

However, why anyone abroad expects Hollywood to more than rarely put up bucks to make war movies featuring foreigners is beyond me. Were I in charge of the purse at a studio and I liked my job, a `foreigner war movie would have to be something inescapebly compelling with a top name itching to do it as a director or I wouldn't even bother with a treatment.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:30 PM
Steven Spielberg is the ONLY hollywood director/producer who could pull off a Quality, historically realistic movie. If he isnt the boss, I expect that any T Cruise BoB movie will be destined to be crap.

By the Way, Cruise is 41 years old...A bit old to play the average RAF fighter pilot ( A Group or Wing commander, perhaps...) The real pilot,Fiske, was 29 when he died.

Fiske was born in the U.S., but lived in France as a teen, then attended Cambridge in the UK...he worked for a US company in late 30's in England, and married an English woman (Countess, actually) in 1938..He was back to his company HQ in NewYork briefly in early-mid 1939,then returned to the UK in September 1939 as the war broke out, pulling strings to get into the RAF. I'd say he was an American by birth, but clearly a Brit..certainly an Anglophile, by choice.

[[ Meanwhile, Among MANY techincal gaffes in 'pearl harbor' was showing Affleck in a USAAF uniform while he was flying with the RAF...ph was a horrible movie..]]

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:41 PM
NavyFlyer wrote:Band of Brothers has a
- sequel in development following a Pacific unit.

Really? When will this be out(on HBO?) I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for the heads up!

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:55 PM
Oh no! Another Cruise Sci-Fi movie.

In "Mission: Imposible 2" he was in Seville, Spain. They mixed two of our more known feasts (The Holy Week in Seville and the secular Fallas in Valencia) to make an strange street spectacle with people carrying torches (?) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif to burn unvaluable wooden sacred sculptures of 16th century (??) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif . (In the Valencia Fallas they burn humoristic figures made of paper-paste and called "Ninots"). Among the torch carrying processional people -a very respectful crowd in reality- there was even a Samba dancer (???) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif . The absurd reaches its peak when Cruise's boss tells him: "Strange people the Spanish. They burn their saints to adore them" (????) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif There are even some guys with folk suits from Saragossa! (????)

BTW, why should Cruise pilot a plane? He can fly himself! (See the beginning of MI1) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


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09-16-2003, 07:59 PM
Unless you guys can do a better job than Cruise. Put a cork in your pie hole.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 08:10 PM
Rocrawler wrote:
- Unless you guys can do a better job than Cruise. Put
- a cork in your pie hole.
-

I can. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Even with N. Kidman & P. Cruz together. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You know, it's not Cruise, but the asessors there. They seem to be a bunch of topic-lovers misinformed weirdos. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BTW, why should I put a cork in my hole... are those rumours about Cruise true? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 08:13 PM
Dux,

Maybe you can do a better job than Cruise, but can your name sell tickets?../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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09-16-2003, 08:17 PM
Rocrawler wrote:
- Dux,
-
- Maybe you can do a better job than Cruise, but can
- your name sell tickets?

Well, do you know who I am, really? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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09-16-2003, 08:23 PM
I heard someone say TOPGUN /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 08:30 PM
On Historical accuracy-
I'm American, and U 571 makes my blood boil. The British, to put in in the vernacular, deserve mad props for stopping the Germans cold. Don't even get me started on "The Patriot", where revisionist Gibson has the British commit war crimes in the film that never happened in real life.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:11 PM
hear hear!

one of the scenes is a recreation of the malmedy massacre committed iirc by Das Reich en route to Normandy.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 02:05 AM
Hey , as for me, I would love to see a modern movie about Manfreds Flying circus, fully historically accurate. Am I likly too anytime soon? Rotflmao. Why, same reason that Half Life 2 will probably pass This fabulous game in total sales in about 2 weeks
We are a small nich group fellows,we may be passionate in our love of prop planes and the brave men & ladies who flew them but we are a definate minority. There were suggestions for Movies about Malan & Galand??? Outside of this communiyt, ones like it and historians, who would go?

Hollywood is a business, and like any sucsessful business, it caters to its majority, not its minorities. Its not possible on a film budget to make something that they know ahead of time will only appeal to a select few, such as us here. Now if you can get them to cast Brad Pitt as the Red Baron, maybe Josh Harnett as Lother. Throw in a love triangle twist, top it off with a attemted betrayel by one of his own squadron. THEN Hollywood might consider it, but the bottem line is $$$, not an American or any other audience shallowness or niavity just a matter of profit margin.
In a small aside here, I am certain my P-40 is undermodeled Oleg. I have flown all models both pre-patch and post and not one time has Kate Beckensale appered in my cockpit. Is there a tab/shift code for that?

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 02:26 AM
Hopperfly22 wrote:
- Tom Cruise is only 5 foot 6 when he's standing on
- his tippy toes. Seriously the guy is way short, and
- I'm not nocking short people just the military has
- their standards. Basically they only build one size
- cockpits and the seats don't slide up or back.

I don't know about the F-14 et al. But I know that the seat and pedals in the F4 are adjustable.

John Trotti, in his book Phantom over Vietnam, states:
"Because of my size, I flew with the seat all the way up and the rudder pedals all the way aft. Tom Wilson, who flew Eight on its previous hop and was 6'3, flew it the exact opposite."

"My secret fear was that the seat would run away to its lowest position, leaving me stranded eyeball to eyeball with the stick grip."

Since pilots come in different sizes, why would the seats and pedals not be adjustable?





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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:01 AM
bazzaah2 wrote:
- hear hear!
-
- one of the scenes is a recreation of the malmedy
- massacre committed iirc by Das Reich en route to
- Normandy.



The Malmedy massacre(Nothing out of the ordinary for Either side, had it been on the Eastern Front, by the way) was during the Battle of the Bulge...

Nothing to do with a German unit heading towards Normandy..

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