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Stevepine
04-07-2006, 10:44 AM
OK, touchy subject...

I have been teaching English in South Korea for the last 2 years and Im about to return home to England. There are almost no Aussies, Brits or kiwis over here and almost all "foreigners" are Americans and Canadians. After having met a load of both I, personally, have surprisingly decided I like Americans better.

OK I know that the USA is not the most popular country in the world right now putting it mildly..... However..... I find them on an individual level to be polite , friendly , warm and gracious. ( and that even includes G.I's I have met who are serving over here in Korea)

Canada on the other hand is pretty popular as a nation throughout the globe BUT canadians have this horrible inferiority complex.

They will spend HOURS telling you how they are superior to Americans because they have better health care and lower crime etc... which is undeniably the case but they never shut up about it. One girl from Nova Scotia I met was telling me about "Meet the Americans" - a TV show in Canada where a reporter heads south of the border to interview the dumbest Americans he / she can find and then make fun of them on national television.

I have my anti US moments but thats not really that clever... is it? I have met my share of Canadians who also were not the sharpest tools in the box.

what do you think?

Celeon999
04-07-2006, 11:08 AM
Celeons heart beats for australia now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


Since this "where the bloody hell are you ?" TV ad with that beach beauty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif


"Where i am ?" "Celeon is on its way to you honey!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Australia.com TV AD (http://www.wherethebloodyhellareyou.com/tvc/index.html?intcmp=www:australia:com)

BueJack
04-07-2006, 11:36 AM
This topic is ....
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Stevepine
04-07-2006, 11:44 AM
So this topic is a big picture of a lock?

I think its okay to chat about this...

Bucketlung
04-07-2006, 11:51 AM
I can't answer your question because the only Canadian I know personally is Evangeline Lilly(ABC's Lost, Wedsneday 9/8c)and she won't talk to me.

trident42
04-07-2006, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Bucketlung:
I can't answer your question because the only Canadian I know personally is Evangeline Lilly(ABC's Lost, Wedsneday 9/8c)and she won't talk to me.

Evangeline is hot, an now she is getting married to that hobbit guy merry or what ever his name is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Also Lost is a sensational program. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Kaleun1961
04-07-2006, 12:21 PM
I'm ashamed to say that what Stevepine says is true. A lot of Canadians are like that. I put it down to the leftist and socialist mentality that has pervaded our schools and media for far too long. Many Canadians do feel like that, our streets are safer, better health care, and so forth. I think it does come from some kind of inferiority complex. We live next door to the States, who outnumber us ten to one and who have a lot of pull in the world.

I'm sick of these fellow Canadians who think that socialized medicare is something that makes us as Canadians better than the Yanks. I like to point out to them how cheap our country is when it comes to things like paying our own way in the world. We like to pretend we are a world player, but don't fund a military to enforce our sovereignty. We leave that to the Americans, who can't afford to let a foe attack Canada. Then we take the savings and spend it on social spending, high priority things like the arts, Indian welfare and bull**** multicultural initiatives. Then from our high-horse we lecture the Americans on world morality.

What I admire about Americans is their attitude of can-do-it-ourselves. Canadians expect the government to protect them from cradle to grave. Americans want the government out of their lives. For all that the gov't does for us, we have what I consider to be way too high taxes. Every time a thinking politician proposes tax cuts, the sacred cows come out and start mooing: You're going to take food from single moms, the homeless, blah, blah, blah. I'm tired of always having some special interest group telling the gov't to put their hand into my pockets again so their cause can get funded. Now they want a national daycare program. Who the hell is supposed to pay for that? My wife stayed at home and looked after my three kids. Now what, I have to pay for someone else's kids too?

My buddy in Texas says I should move there, because I think so much like a Texan. I like the Yanks and I wish my fellow Canucks would knock off the Yank bashing. It's not nice and makes us look like jealous brats.

P.S. The correct name for that show is, "Talking to Americans." It's funny, but I'm sure you can find idiots to interview anywhere.

The_Silent_O
04-07-2006, 12:21 PM
errrr...As an American, I've travel a bit in Canada and have never felt anything but a warm welcome.

I guess there is a younger generation that is a bit critical of the US, but then again you'll find that in any Commonwealth (sans Australia) nation where they don't agree with PM Blair...

...Our younger generation doesn't like their own nation either if you travel from college campus to college campus. They are all very smart, but they have never had any of their freedoms threaten.

I'm glad the soldiers you met in Korea made a good impression on you, that, to me, is important. They are American's ambassadors at the lowest level.

I like Canada and will see more of it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BueJack
04-07-2006, 12:59 PM
Only joking sport... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

We had a whale of a time on another thread, where everybody 'controlled' themselves, but was locked by a newbie, some 5 million pages later http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Stevepine
04-07-2006, 01:02 PM
No problem Bluejack http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bucketlung
04-07-2006, 02:05 PM
Speaking of Americans and Canadians I think this may be what we need for SilentHunter 6.

It's 2012 and much to Al Gore's chagrin all of the polar ice has melted and now you...must...Control The Northwest Passage.

Play as a Dane, Canadian, American or others?

Ghostly_Magicia
04-07-2006, 02:11 PM
I'm Canadian and i'll just say who cares since we'll end up starting a war against each other which would make it WW3. No health in NA is the best since Canada has half of what America needs and America has half of what Canada needs (As in treatment). You get it free but wait in Canada and you have to pay in America. About the superiority over America look below (Third paragraph). Hey Canada bashs America? Lol look at America bashing Canada and France http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Well just be happy you haven't met a person who says a country sucks for no reason at all like someone I know who says Eastern Europe sucks because theres nothing there and trying to give him a wake up call.

If you want to say if Canada is better then America and vice versa go for it since you'll eventually think what i'm thinking, who cares lets just say how great Europe is since they just mind their own business (not talking about living there since thats another story). If not then well thats ok to. But if I had to choose i'll say Canada since well.....Its more european then America is imo (This post counts since i'm half Slovakian http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif) .

edit: Off topic: Oh and you know the greenhouse theory? Its all false since its been proven false by someone I know. C02 is for plants so how can there be a build up? We got tons of trees. It could be paint what we see up north just 'brainwash' us. The Greenhouse effect is a natural occurance not like what people say its from C02. I'm just laughing while I type this since all the scientists are having a hissy fit because they are trying to keep the point of Co2 as global warming to make us use less oil.

Kaleun1961
04-07-2006, 03:15 PM
You ever see those ads with Rick Mercer [star of Talking to Americans]? He asks us to take the challenge and try to emit less carbon dioxide. Now I like Rick, especially since he's a Newfie, but I have to say in all honesty, he comes off looking like a dumb **** in that commercial.

Yeah? Ya want us to take the challenge? How about putting your money where your mouth is, Canadian gov't, and give us a tax break on hybrid and fuel-efficient vehicles?

vozzek69
04-07-2006, 04:07 PM
Wow Kaleun, everything you wrote was an exceptionally apt description of the situation as I see it also. I agreed with everything you said, from government to day care. And I'm American no less.

I will say that far too many Americans, mostly younger ones, have some sort of blind distrust of Canada without really knowing what goes on up there. The MTV generation sees you through the eyes of SouthPark for the love of God. It's embarassing, it really is.

Just as your admissions on Canadians seemed dead on, I'll say that some of the labels slapped on Americans are well-deserved, I'll give you that.

Baldricks_Mate
04-07-2006, 04:51 PM
Hi all, back home for a bit; crook as a dog!

If I may offer this;

Beware when people are collectively grouped and then classified by nation or any other large collective for the purposes of over-arching descriptions. The end result will be wildly inaccurate and liable to misuse by other whose *ahem* critical thinking skills are not well developed. An example could be the mythical "average" person statisticians are fond of producing.

My experience leads me to declare that rather than be judged quickly using poorly biased descriptions the individual and their individual actions should be allowed to speak louder than the narrow confines of national stereotyping reinforced by media reporting that often has another agenda all of its own.

In truckie-speak this is could be said as: "black, white or brindled a bad attitude is a bad attitude and a good attitude is a good attitude - anything else is just sh*t and frigs around with ya mind" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
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Celeons heart beats for australia now.
Since this "where the bloody hell are you ?" TV ad with that beach beauty
"Where i am ?" "Celeon is on its way to you honey!"
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I'm bloody well here mate but I can't see you anywhere. I want to introduce you to her mothers sisters daughter...that would my wife cousin!

Schiffmorder
04-07-2006, 08:24 PM
http://www.kk5na.com/nortex_files/texas_flag.jpg

Kaleun, by the power vested in me as a born Texan I hereby dub thee a fellow Texan. You may kiss the flag now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

kptltU-1312
04-07-2006, 09:25 PM
hey celeon,

re the beach babe in the 'where the bloody hell are you' ad',

that was filmed at Shoal Bay, in Port Stephens NSW. its about 40min from my place. its a lovely spot.

im hearing ya, ive been lookin for the babe(she is a local) but i havent found her yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
04-07-2006, 09:31 PM
The only Canadian I know is Pamala Anderson. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

AO1_AW_SW_USN
04-07-2006, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Schiffmorder:
http://www.kk5na.com/nortex_files/texas_flag.jpg

Kaleun, by the power vested in me as a born Texan I hereby dub thee a fellow Texan. You may kiss the flag now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Being that I am from Texas, I can safely say that I am embarrassed by this post. Hey Schiffmorder, Texans are a united people... but you are speaking for yourself on this one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

I was up in Vancouver, B.C. in 2003 while I was stationed near Seattle, Washington. While I was up there I received nothing but kindness and a warm welcome from the Canadians. Same thing with Hong Kong, Singapore, and in Perth and Hobart (Australia). If there was any anti-American sentiment, then they kept it well hidden from my view.

As Americans we must remember that the world is a little aggravated towards not the people of the US, but rather towards our government's view of foreign policy. As we travel abroad, let us not boast to the world that we have a superior military or that we have our rights and freedom and they wish they had the same. Such things are not true and only add kerosene to an already blossomed firestorm. We should set the example of how thankful we are that we have our freedom, but not brag about it. We are better ambassadors than what our government could ever provide to the world, simply by being humbled and appreciative.

I have nothing but deep admiration and respect for people of different cultures and nationality. Open up your minds America... and realize that we are on a level playing field with the world community.

bunkerratt
04-08-2006, 01:00 AM
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BueJack
04-08-2006, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
The only Canadian I know is Pamala Anderson. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

WS's mother..."WS, put that DVD away right this moment. At your age you should not be watching such filth??"

WS's father..."don't worry honey, I'll sort this out... WS pass that here..... Pssst where did you say the good parts were ??"

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Celeon999
04-08-2006, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by kptltU-1312:
hey celeon,

re the beach babe in the 'where the bloody hell are you' ad',

that was filmed at Shoal Bay, in Port Stephens NSW. its about 40min from my place. its a lovely spot.

im hearing ya, ive been lookin for the babe(she is a local) but i havent found her yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



Find her ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Tell her im on my way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif


That beach looks awesome beautiful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Schiffmorder
04-08-2006, 03:16 PM
Being that I am from Texas, I can safely say that I am embarrassed by this post. Hey Schiffmorder, Texans are a united people... but you are speaking for yourself on this one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

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There is something wrong with making him an honorary Texan? I think you are misunderstanding something, although what it is I cant fathom.

Kaleun1961
04-08-2006, 04:14 PM
I'd love to be an honourary Texan! Thanks for the offer.

Yes, there is peril in making generalisations. I admit my opinions are generalisations. What made me write them is that there are a not insignificant number of Canadians who are like that. Of course, the flip side of the coin is that many are not like that. So, in the end it comes down to individual character. Like MLK said, judge me by the content of my character.

As a trucker I've met many Americans and I can honestly state that I like them. It's true that you have to differentiate between the citizen and his government. That is sometimes hard to remember. I despise communism, but I've met individual Russian people and liked the ones I've met.

blue_76
04-08-2006, 04:41 PM
perhaps its the french speaking part of canada that has a negative view of outsiders and the US.. i've heard many a simmilar stories of people going to france where the views are pretty much the same http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif i may be wrong of course, since i haven't been to canada or france for that matter.. just what i hear from other people.

BueJack
04-08-2006, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by blue_76:
perhaps its the french speaking part of canada that has a negative view of outsiders and the US.. i've heard many a simmilar stories of people going to france where the views are pretty much the same http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif i may be wrong of course, since i haven't been to canada or france for that matter.. just what i hear from other people.

There's a common denominator there somewhere.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AO1_AW_SW_USN
04-08-2006, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by Schiffmorder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Being that I am from Texas, I can safely say that I am embarrassed by this post. Hey Schiffmorder, Texans are a united people... but you are speaking for yourself on this one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

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There is something wrong with making him an honorary Texan? I think you are misunderstanding something, although what it is I cant fathom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I was smashed when I made this post because I just came back from watching the Busch Series race at the Texas Motor Speedway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

There's nothing wrong with him being an honorary Texan... don't know what the hell I was thinking (besides wondering if I had any more cold Shiner Boch beers in the icebox).

Kaleun, if you ever decide to head down to Texas, let us know... so we can make it official!

Schiffmorder
04-08-2006, 06:26 PM
Ahh the French, now there is a topic ripe for sweeping genralisations... for instance here is all one need know about their military: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Acch yes I am bad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Kaleun1961
04-08-2006, 06:35 PM
I thought you were out of character there, Bryan. Well, we can all, or at least some of us, make the case that we said things under the influence. My buddy from Texas is coming up to visit us this weekend. I haven't yet gone down there, but I sure am itching to do so. Trouble is, I am in school right now retraining and I won't have any time free until the Fall. I've a feeling I may fall in love with Texas and want to leave my "Home and native land, the true north strong and free."