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Airmail109
08-22-2007, 10:30 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6958220.stm

maybe its the weather

or maybe its because of the horrible paranoid atmosphere that seems to have descended on Britain since 2001

most likely both

ploughman
08-22-2007, 10:46 AM
People have been leaving these shores in droves, (and arriving in droves) for centuries. I sometimes think it's in our blood, I've lived in 5 different countries so far, and spent a very long time in a sixth and one things for sure, no matter how far off the beaten track you go you'll always find a sunburnt Brit.

Hoenire
08-22-2007, 10:47 AM
Nope, its because of the government and immigration - 60 million people on a tiny island without tough enough immigration laws or a government with any ideas about protecting it's citizens.

I would jump if I could, as would most...

Airmail109
08-22-2007, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Hoenire:
Nope, its because of the government and immigration - 60 million people on a tiny island without tough enough immigration laws or a government with any ideas about protecting it's citizens.

I would jump if I could, as would most...

Maybe. The recent boom in chavs has certainly put me off.

But all these "security" bills like ID cards and detention without trial are putting people off. That and this culture of fear. Its depressing dude, we're meant to be a democracy. Im gonna move to Canada, Austria, Denmark or Switzerland once ive finished Uni, Customs and Exercise can have fun trying to locate me.

Bo_Nidle
08-22-2007, 11:27 AM
I don't blame anyone for getting the hell out of here.

Since Labour came to power freedoms in the UK have been steadily eroded with the exception of the criminal class who can now rampage with virtual impunity thanks to the Labour introduced Human Rights Act (those who have seen my previous posts will know how,as a Police officer, I despise this catastrophically ill-thought out piece of criminal/terrorist protective garbage!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

We also verge on rampant paranoia with so much CCtv that we are now the most closely monitored society outside of Communist China. The so called ID card fiasco is to have a chip installed to enable the Government to be able to monitor the users movements. If you are arrested for any reason then you have your photograph, fingerprints and DNA taken regardless of whether or not you are charged or released no further action. In other words, guilty or innocent then the Government has you on record.

We have the epitome of the revolving door prison system with the Governments answer to rising prison populations by releasing thousands of utter scumbags early rather than build more prisons. Murder now carries a sentence of around 15 years maximum.

In fact one piece of human garbage is being considered for release after 11 years for stabbing a headteacher to death in the schoolyard. Thanks to, you've guessed it, the Human rights Act, its been decided it would be unfair to the poor dear to deport him back to his native Italy. While the uproar over this is understandable no-one seems to be pointing out that he has only served 11 years for taking an innocent life in the most brutal and vicious fashion!!!

Gun crime is increasing at a dramatic rate despite the most draconian gun laws in the world. As the saying goes: When guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns!

We cannot take effective action against people known to have undertaken terrorist training because of ....altogether now...The Human Rights Act, so about 3000 dangerous individuals are allowed to roam the UK unhindered.

And on and on it goes!!!!!!!!

I envy those getting out of this bland, undemocratic, paranoid, Orwellian sh!thole!!!!!

Airmail109
08-22-2007, 11:32 AM
Bo Nidle, you could move as well. Get an education other countries want (you could do this part time or through open university) just be prepared to give up everything.

BTW watch Fight Club sometime for a nice subversive message

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-22-2007, 11:34 AM
On the Upside it will soon be Christmas http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Airmail109
08-22-2007, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
On the Upside it will soon be Christmas http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yeah that will be nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-22-2007, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I don't blame anyone for getting the hell out of here.

Since Labour came to power freedoms in the UK have been steadily eroded with the exception of the criminal class who can now rampage with virtual impunity thanks to the Labour introduced Human Rights Act (those who have seen my previous posts will know how,as a Police officer, I despise this catastrophically ill-thought out piece of criminal/terrorist protective garbage!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

We also verge on rampant paranoia with so much CCtv that we are now the most closely monitored society outside of Communist China.


Yes, there`s me, hating the Tories for so long, Labour get in power and it`s the same ruddy thing to my chagrin. It makes me wonder what`s the point...

You are also correct about CCTV we have more cameras monitering everything in this country than every other country in Europe! Why are the brits just accepting this?

Still, much has changed in ways we couldn`t imagine since 911...

Airmail109
08-22-2007, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I don't blame anyone for getting the hell out of here.

Since Labour came to power freedoms in the UK have been steadily eroded with the exception of the criminal class who can now rampage with virtual impunity thanks to the Labour introduced Human Rights Act (those who have seen my previous posts will know how,as a Police officer, I despise this catastrophically ill-thought out piece of criminal/terrorist protective garbage!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

We also verge on rampant paranoia with so much CCtv that we are now the most closely monitored society outside of Communist China.


Yes, there`s me, hating the Tories for so long, Labour get in power and it`s the same ruddy thing to my chagrin. It makes me wonder what`s the point...

You are also correct about CCTV we have more cameras monitering everything in this country than every other country in Europe! Why are the brits just accepting this?

Still, much has changed in ways we couldn`t imagine since 911... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lets protest dude (if i said riot I could get arrested for inciting something I bet)

Seriously

I had enough of being told "whats good for me" and "do this..do that" "you shouldnt be allowed this" and "well actually...according to my statistics the home office has....."

They dont ****ing listen to us.

JG52Uther
08-22-2007, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:

+1000 great post!Just how I feel.

bigbossmalone
08-22-2007, 11:41 AM
I know how you feel Bo_Nidle...
Being an ex policeman myself, except not in the UK, but South Africa, which is having the same issues with the new laws being passed every day that only protect the criminals rights, and the 'regular' citizens are feeling it with the crazy amount of crime going down in the country at the moment. I will add, though, that it's still a beautiful country, it's my home, and I'm gonna stay, barring a full-scale war.
Hopefully things will improve in time, but it looks pretty grim at the moment.
At least its a big enough country that one can move out into 'the sticks' and still live a pretty peaceful life... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Tab_Flettner
08-22-2007, 11:51 AM
Canada is calling! West Coast in particular!

http://www.bciscalling.ca/

Bo_Nidle
08-22-2007, 11:55 AM
If I come across as incredibly angry and frustrated then I make no apologies, that's how I feel!

I could go on ranting but I think the best way to sum up how I feel is that I am fiercely proud of what Britain was and utterly ashamed of what Britain has become.

So in the next election use your vote well because it is the only weapon available to you to remove the left wing junta presently in power. Armed citizen revolt is no longer an option, they made sure of that!

When a government stops trusting the people then its time for the people to stop trusting the government!

Airmail109
08-22-2007, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
If I come across as incredibly angry and frustrated then I make no apologies, that's how I feel!

I could go on ranting but I think the best way to sum up how I feel is that I am fiercely proud of what Britain was and utterly ashamed of what Britain has become.

So in the next election use your vote well because it is the only weapon available to you to remove the left wing junta presently in power. Armed citizen revolt is no longer an option, they made sure of that!

When a government stops trusting the people then its time for the people to stop trusting the government!

Dude theyre thatcherites, this started back in the 80s

If they were socialists, our country would be closer to Denmark or Austria

Old toryism in some ways is more left than what weve got now. The problem being is that many of the tories including Cameron are Thatcherites as well.

Worf101
08-22-2007, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I don't blame anyone for getting the hell out of here.

Since Labour came to power freedoms in the UK have been steadily eroded with the exception of the criminal class who can now rampage with virtual impunity thanks to the Labour introduced Human Rights Act (those who have seen my previous posts will know how,as a Police officer, I despise this catastrophically ill-thought out piece of criminal/terrorist protective garbage!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

We also verge on rampant paranoia with so much CCtv that we are now the most closely monitored society outside of Communist China.


Yes, there`s me, hating the Tories for so long, Labour get in power and it`s the same ruddy thing to my chagrin. It makes me wonder what`s the point...

You are also correct about CCTV we have more cameras monitering everything in this country than every other country in Europe! Why are the brits just accepting this?

Still, much has changed in ways we couldn`t imagine since 911... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Errrr... Didn't some of your countrymen once tell me and I quote:

"Meet the New Boss... Same as the Old Boss!"

Something about "We Won't be Fooled Again!!!"

Da Worfster

Airmail109
08-22-2007, 12:01 PM
If only we were French http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Bo_Nidle
08-22-2007, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
If only we were French http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Hey! Lets not go nuts here!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Tab_Flettner
08-22-2007, 12:11 PM
Hey, just so you all know, I'm not trying to be a smart*ss with the

http://www.bciscalling.ca/

thing. As some people on the boards know, Mrs Flettner is an Ex Pat, from Guildford in Surrey. She goes back almost every year, and comes back to Canada saying she could never live in Britain again. She loves it dearly, but is always happy to get home.

Daiichidoku
08-22-2007, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
If only we were French http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

arent you all just disenfranchised french who replaced mustard with marmite, anyhow?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Monty_Thrud
08-22-2007, 12:26 PM
Peeps seem to be getting pArAnOiD here, just stop reading and believing the Daily Mail is all that is required...NEXT!

MEGILE
08-22-2007, 12:50 PM
The UKs troubles are a result of the inherent nature of our chav-tastic working class.

A bunch of stubborn wife beater wearing, wife beater drinking, wife beating soverign wearing ignorant lazy chavs who couldn't give a **** about the UK, just getting leatherd and puking up all over the street, while receiving benefits for back pain, and working cash in hand at their local garage.

That is the problem with the UK, and it is so engrained in the country, there is nothing you can do but move if you don't like it.

But its not all bad. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

GBrutus
08-22-2007, 01:08 PM
What's needed is to give these poor chavs a sense of purpose in life...

...or we could just round them up and launch them one by one from a giant siege engine.

faustnik
08-22-2007, 01:12 PM
We still have room here in California. You guys are welcome and we have plenty of sun.

T_O_A_D
08-22-2007, 01:13 PM
Better sniff around a bit guys.

They may of set all the bombs and lit the fuses.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Airmail109
08-22-2007, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
Peeps seem to be getting pArAnOiD here, just stop reading and believing the Daily Mail is all that is required...NEXT!

Nahhh man...I read The Independant

The Daily Mail is full of scare mongering

Megile...totally agreed!

Blutarski2004
08-22-2007, 01:31 PM
Democracy -> technocracy -> bureaucracy -> autocracy.

slarsson
08-22-2007, 01:55 PM
As a Brit now living in Canada, I understand the attractions of other parts of the world, however.......
There are 60 million people living on that lttle Island, 50 million of them in England alone. If it was anyone other than the Brits, it would very likely be much LESS pleasant living there than it is.

Warrington_Wolf
08-22-2007, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
The UKs troubles are a result of the inherent nature of our chav-tastic working class.

A bunch of stubborn wife beater wearing, wife beater drinking, wife beating soverign wearing ignorant lazy chavs who couldn't give a **** about the UK, just getting leatherd and puking up all over the street, while receiving benefits for back pain, and working cash in hand at their local garage.

That is the problem with the UK, and it is so engrained in the country, there is nothing you can do but move if you don't like it.

But its not all bad. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif I agree with both you and Bo_Nidle.
I was going to mention the whole chavy scumbag thing but you beat me to it. A point that you didn't mention is that the police are useless at dealing with crime that is caused by these louts. Just recently the murder of Garry Newlove has made the headlines and yet most of the yobs who have been arrested are known for loutish behavior. I work with a lad who lives in the area and he has seen the gang before, and he has even been heckled by them when coming home from work. Time and time again they were reported to police but half the time they didn't turn up or they would turn up several days later, they were (and still are, I aint finished with Warrington constabulary yet) f**king useless.
I can personally testify for this by personal experience.
Incident one.
We once had a similar problem several years ago with young yobs (they were in the year below me at school), they would throw stones and eggs at windows, scratch paintwork on cars, ride their scooters at full speed on the pavement as well as beating people up. The ringleader had a reputation for violence,such notable incidents are that he had even hit an old man in the leg with a golf club and yet only got let off with a caution (this was far from his first offence by the way), another time he was tanked up and started kicking and punching a group of 5 and 6 year old kids outside the local corner shop. It was only when the shop keeper intervened and threatened him with the baseball bat that he keeps under the counter that he scarpered. Him and his mates made the shopkeepers life hell for several months after that, and yet again these louts were let off with a caution. They have even thrown stones at our windows and did serious damage to the fence and front garden, my Dad called the police and it took them two days for them to turn up.
We had video evidence of them wrecking th fence, I even knew the names of some of the mob and where they lived and again very little was done. The police paid him a visit then they called back to us and what you are about to read was the words of one of the coppers "We spoke to him and he says that he is very sorry, and that he had been drinking heavily at the time". We tried to press charges without any luck. Luckily for us we don't see that lot anymore, I think that the ringleader is finally where he belongs doing time for GBH, Assault and drugs offences.

Incident two.
The son of a friend of the family got beat up quite badly a couple of months ago (broken jaw, bruised ribs and needed several stitches). He was set on by a groups of lads for no apparent reason, he hadn't said anything to them, they just set on him. The police arrived to investigate several days later (again why the friggin delay) and the yobs who did it were caught, but they were only caught because they had attacked someone else.
We would later find out that the victims got beat up "because it was funny at the time", and that three of the lads and one of the girls who carried out these attacks were on ASBOs and one of them had an electronic tag.

What really riled me was when I was walking to work a couple of weeks after the attack on these people, I see SIX police officers manning a speed trap, five of which were too busy ordering breakfast from a bloody trailer stand.
No wonder we have mob rule on our streets when this is what our taxes are paying for. I suspect that even if we elect another political party, nothing will change.
That is why I am never voting again, because all politicians are ********s who outright lie to you to get your vote, then they turn their back on you when they are elected (unless you gave them money to fund their party, then you get a knighthood).

I swear if I win the lottery, I am out of this dank sh!thole country and I am never coming back, it was once great (hence Great Britain) but now it is just a joke http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.

Warrington_Wolf
08-22-2007, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by GBrutus:
What's needed is to give these poor chavs a sense of purpose in life...

...or we could just round them up and launch them one by one from a giant siege engine. What is needed is to round the *******s up and mow em down with a howitzer or something.
I have never met a chav who is decent and law abiding, they are just scum, all of them.
The only good chav is a dead one.

SeaFireLIV
08-22-2007, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
The UKs troubles are a result of the inherent nature of our chav-tastic working class.

A bunch of stubborn wife beater wearing, wife beater drinking, wife beating soverign wearing ignorant lazy chavs who couldn't give a **** about the UK, just getting leatherd and puking up all over the street, while receiving benefits for back pain, and working cash in hand at their local garage.

That is the problem with the UK, and it is so engrained in the country, there is nothing you can do but move if you don't like it.

But its not all bad. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

wow. I`m actually quite insulted by your bullcrap! What a load of made up unthought-out rubbish.

You can`t be British or if you are, you ought to be ashamed.

horseback
08-22-2007, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
We still have room here in California. You guys are welcome and we have plenty of sun. ...but if you don't get here soon, you'll have to bring your own water and a working knowledge of Latin American Spanish (a Castilian accent will get you beaten up for 'acting gay') or Cantonese.

cheers

horseback

faustnik
08-22-2007, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
We still have room here in California. You guys are welcome and we have plenty of sun. ...but if you don't get here soon, you'll have to bring your own water and a working knowledge of Latin American Spanish (a Castilian accent will get you beaten up for 'acting gay') or Cantonese.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sí, traiga agua por favor.

DuxCorvan
08-22-2007, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
(a Castilian accent will get you beaten up for 'acting gay')
O RLY? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Sorry, horseback, but in California, Castilian accent guys are more likely beaten for 'acting heterosexual'. It's California, lad. San Francisco and all.
http://www.diverse.tv/images/stills/georgianunderworld02.jpg

stalkervision
08-22-2007, 04:26 PM
I thought brits are all known for their "stiff upper lip" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hoenire
08-22-2007, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
I thought brits are all known for their "stiff upper lip" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Quite right, but the stiff upper lip is a curse as well as a blessing. It means you pretty much have to do unimaginable things to be called a hero, but we put up with rubbish service and rubbish treatment. I've stopped taking ****, even to the point of saying "no I don't want to tip you because your service wasn't very good, the food was slow and not even hot" and the feeling of liberation is quite something.

As for the chav side of things that is quite right. However, it is too limiting to attribute the problem just to chavs. At the risk of sounding snobbish the problem is mainly because of the behaviour of those at the lower end of the socio-economic groupings. There is no good behaviour or work culture and, unfortnately, nothing to instill or force the learning of such cultures.

It shames me to see economic immigrants working their butts off to better their lives then hear some British ******** whinging about it. However, it also annoys the hell out of me to pay for any residents to enjoy a life of ease on social benefits...

As I said, if I could emigrate I would, even to go from working in a profession to another type of employment.

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Huxley_S
08-22-2007, 04:54 PM
I jumped 3 years ago... and landed in Latin America.

Best decision of my life.

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joeap
08-22-2007, 05:15 PM
Wow that exaplains all the Brits here in Geneva. Seriously, at the research foundation I work at, my immediate boss (and a friend as well) is English, as is a research fellow, and another the Deputy Head of Operations, the Deputy Head of the Research Division is Scottish as well we got a Scottish lady coordinator the only nationality more represented are the Swiss. We have normally around 30 or so nationalities. It's a plot I tells ya, and many of em have ties to the UK military. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Jediteo
08-22-2007, 06:25 PM
As a teenager myself (18 the 24th) I must say that I hate kids these days. Here in Sweden we have the same problem, the people you call chavs are increasingly prevalent here as well. I getting pretty fed up with all this stupid hip-hop culture. I'm tired of the constant rap and trance music, and people who cant wear normal clothes. At my school most people wore track suits, what happend to a normal shirt and trousers or jeans. What is the deal with young men wearing their trousers around their ankles?
The alcohol habits of these people are staggering and I must say frightening. The most annoying is the blatant lack of respect for other people youths these day have, I mean how hard is it to give up you seat to an old lady or gentleman on the bus? (example of the day)
Additionally the complete disregard for their studies are horrifying, 10% of people (using the term vwery loosely) graduating (well they didn't) did not have sufficient language and maths skills. This is appaling. Some of those in my age would probably say I sound like an old man, but I am worried, what is this world coming to? Did you think the same thing when you were growing up?

What is worrying, is that in a month I am moving to Nottingham to study history.

I appologise for any spelling mistakes, I'm quite tired at the moment.

horseback
08-22-2007, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
(a Castilian accent will get you beaten up for 'acting gay')
O RLY? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Sorry, horseback, but in California, Castilian accent guys are more likely beaten for 'acting heterosexual'. It's California, lad. San Francisco and all.
http://www.diverse.tv/images/stills/georgianunderworld02.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>If you go to San Francisco (Northern California), you won't need to bring your own water, but then you will need a working command of at least one Chinese dialect. Here in the South, we have increasingly less water or or (real) Spanish...it's a truly ugly situation.

The only thing we still have in abundance is idiot legislators, but htere appears to be a world-wide surplus of those.

I'll trade Barbara Boxer and Bob Filner for a half gallon of clean distilled water...anybody?

cheers

horseback

PS-is that you in the turban?

Jediteo
08-22-2007, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
The only good chav is a dead one.

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Low_Flyer_MkVb
08-22-2007, 06:52 PM
For those wishing a return to those halcyon days of tory misrule, google search poll tax riots, miners strike, Archer. Aitkin etc.

There's an old Irish saying "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in".

Another thing that p*sses me off is ex-patriate Britons (Please refrain from the insulting term Brit) who turn their back on their country, get into trouble and miraculously rediscover their nationality in a frenzy of "I'm British, get me out of here" media manipulation.

Kudos to the Worfster for bringing The Who into this shambolic debate. I'm off to bed with a Polish woman who entered this country legally in search of a better life and works bloody hard to attain it. Agree with Hoenire on this point.

By all means bugger off, this great country (and it's problems) will still be here when you've gone. Just my two BoB's worth. Good night, all.

Lead-Brick
08-22-2007, 07:22 PM
Before all these new fangled high tech weapons and media hype nations would cleanse themselves of their great unwashed by having a war. The great unwashed ended up in the front lines, end of problem for another 15 years!

Sad but true

Taylortony
08-22-2007, 08:04 PM
We could all move to Romania, Poland, Turkey, Latvia, Estonia or somewhere like that, they are I believe Sparsely populated these days...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now I do not have anything against these countries and I do feel sorry for them as all of their skilled workers, doctors, engineers etc have already skipped town leaving a country worse off without them, the trouble is we are now getting a lot the dregs of their society, and dont get me wrong their either, we are getting some fine hard working people, i know, i know some of them.... but we are also getting all the pickpockets and thieves in the likes of London and the police are powerless to act. Jail em, then deport........ simple, make it a long time in jail too


Limits should be set for immigration..... believe it or not the figures the Government issue ONLY COVER FLIGHTS INTO UK, NOT BUSES, FERRYS OR TRAINS ETC...as most come that way they are a farce.

We have got to soft...... The Human Rights law as is should be abolished, it has given the rights to the criminal, when someone comes here and rapes and murders then is not deported that is wrong.. we seem to have got to a state where we are so PC its destroying the country......

If you come to the UK as a political refugee and you step off a ferry from France, sorry you are not being persecuted in France, so you should simply be put back on the said ferry after being finger printed, DNA sampled and Photographed...... come back in 2 more times illegally and you should be locked up for 1 year or more and then instantly deported....

Those coming direct from a none European countries claiming political asylum should be held in holding units whilst being assesed, fail to be approved, next boat or plane out, no lengthy appeal...

No grants, no housing, no cash...... If I went to live in say Canada I would not expect a wad of money, a free house, a car to seek work, so why should anyone coming here expect the same.... your choice not ours, if you cannot afford to find and fund your new life here, simple do not come........ they should have to prove funds for staying in Country for say 6 months.

Crime

Caught carrying a knife if police checked, simple, 12 months first offence no paroal, 5 years second, 10 third, etc.......

ASBO...... simply jail them, no cosy cells, just blank walls a bed and a chair...... leave them there for a minimum of 6 months... second offence, double it.... etc

bring back corporal punishment in Schools too....

go on tell me I cant do these things, like all the other do gooders in the UK

heywooood
08-22-2007, 09:10 PM
ok - what the feck is a 'chav' ?

..and isn't it comforting to know that there are problems in every society - no one gets a free pass or a fair shake nor ever has...this ain't heaven. You have to work as hard to make things right as your government officials did to screw it all up in the first place...same as ever.

and as for stiffer penalties for criminals - I have been in favor - vocally in favor as my own representatives will tell you - of long term incarceration and public humiliation sentences for first time offenders and permanent incarceration or death for second time offenders (violent offenders I mean) in California....but thats just me.

Second chances are for little kids that screw up in class or shop lift - not grown *** criminals fer f'sake - when did we adopt playground rules for murderers, rapists and child molesters?

ploughman
08-23-2007, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
For those wishing a return to those halcyon days of tory misrule, google search poll tax riots, miners strike, Archer. Aitkin etc.

There's an old Irish saying "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in".

Another thing that p*sses me off is ex-patriate Britons (Please refrain from the insulting term Brit) who turn their back on their country, get into trouble and miraculously rediscover their nationality in a frenzy of "I'm British, get me out of here" media manipulation.

Kudos to the Worfster for bringing The Who into this shambolic debate. I'm off to bed with a Polish woman who entered this country legally in search of a better life and works bloody hard to attain it. Agree with Hoenire on this point.

By all means bugger off, this great country (and it's problems) will still be here when you've gone. Just my two BoB's worth. Good night, all.

Vive!

One thing I have always loved about leaving the UK for protracted periods is the very warm and cuddly hug everyone feelings I get when I come back (and those aren't feelings you'd normally associate with Heathrow are they?) to this wonderful, screwed-up, furiously happy little country of ours.

billboyoung
08-23-2007, 03:59 AM
Don't worry the upper classes have found new ways of keeping down the number of chavs: 'chav hunting,'
funny video:

http://www.bebo.com/FlashBox.jsp?FlashViewType=Personal&FlashBoxId=568349423

JG52Uther
08-23-2007, 04:06 AM
And today we wake up to the news that an 11 year old kid was shot dead in Liverpool last night. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Warrington_Wolf
08-23-2007, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by Jediteo:
As a teenager myself (18 the 24th) I must say that I hate kids these days. Here in Sweden we have the same problem, the people you call chavs are increasingly prevalent here as well. I getting pretty fed up with all this stupid hip-hop culture. I'm tired of the constant rap and trance music, and people who cant wear normal clothes. At my school most people wore track suits, what happend to a normal shirt and trousers or jeans. What is the deal with young men wearing their trousers around their ankles?
The alcohol habits of these people are staggering and I must say frightening. The most annoying is the blatant lack of respect for other people youths these day have, I mean how hard is it to give up you seat to an old lady or gentleman on the bus? (example of the day)
Additionally the complete disregard for their studies are horrifying, 10% of people (using the term vwery loosely) graduating (well they didn't) did not have sufficient language and maths skills. This is appaling. Some of those in my age would probably say I sound like an old man, but I am worried, what is this world coming to? Did you think the same thing when you were growing up?

What is worrying, is that in a month I am moving to Nottingham to study history.

I appologise for any spelling mistakes, I'm quite tired at the moment. Yep, they sound like chavs alright. I didn't know that other countries in the EU had chavs.
I must say though that not all teens are bad I work with a lad who is 18 and he is a decent hardworking lad.

MEGILE
08-23-2007, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
ok - what the feck is a 'chav' ?


http://www.chavscum.co.uk/4images/data/media/54/nedgal127.jpg

AS an aside, in my City we don't call them Chavs.

We call them Scallies, or Scalls http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MEGILE
08-23-2007, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:


wow. I`m actually quite insulted by your bullcrap! What a load of made up unthought-out rubbish.

You can`t be British or if you are, you ought to be ashamed.

Yes you are right.

The chav's are all in my imagination. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

MEGILE
08-23-2007, 05:05 AM
To whome it may concern.. I am not advocating a "vote for tory rule" policy like others may.
The blues are as incompetant as their red counterpart.

HOWEVER... the prevalence of chavism is

a) endemic to the british population
b) a failiure of the education system
c) A + B

Because we know this is the god dam best country in the world, with EVERY oppurtunity for people to make the most of themselves.

You can take a horse to water...

Tougher sentences, although certainly attractive, won't do anything to change the mindset of a population.

stalkervision
08-23-2007, 05:39 AM
being from "the colonies" across the atlantic and as such recieving our news three months late about what is going on in the homeland might I just ask "What the bloody hell is a Chav ? " http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Breeze147
08-23-2007, 06:02 AM
I had a Brit in line (on queue) in front of me at a Subway the other day. 'e ordered a Chicken Terryacki sub with bahnahnah pickles. Handsome bloke 'e was!

Jediteo
08-23-2007, 06:27 AM
In sweden we used to have a half year of conscription at the age of 18, unfortunatly the Swedish armed forces (while high tech and efficient) have been severly cut back in numbers due to the previous government. This changed a lot of young men, particulatrly those who today are known as chavs. Nothing like a drill sargeant to get their gears sorted out

However I was excused from military service (unfortunatly) because I had already applied to university.

stalkervision
08-23-2007, 06:34 AM
For all you poor sods in the Isle of Rain..
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FolrHmhwggo


Btw/FYI "chavs"...lose the plaid BB caps and when you do wear a BB cap turn it around so the rim faces backwords. EOKT... Also not enough "bling!" Three or four three foot gold chains please.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WOLFMondo
08-23-2007, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I don't blame anyone for getting the hell out of here.

Since Labour came to power freedoms in the UK have been steadily eroded with the exception of the criminal class who can now rampage with virtual impunity thanks to the Labour introduced Human Rights Act (those who have seen my previous posts will know how,as a Police officer, I despise this catastrophically ill-thought out piece of criminal/terrorist protective garbage!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

We also verge on rampant paranoia with so much CCtv that we are now the most closely monitored society outside of Communist China. The so called ID card fiasco is to have a chip installed to enable the Government to be able to monitor the users movements. If you are arrested for any reason then you have your photograph, fingerprints and DNA taken regardless of whether or not you are charged or released no further action. In other words, guilty or innocent then the Government has you on record.

We have the epitome of the revolving door prison system with the Governments answer to rising prison populations by releasing thousands of utter scumbags early rather than build more prisons. Murder now carries a sentence of around 15 years maximum.

In fact one piece of human garbage is being considered for release after 11 years for stabbing a headteacher to death in the schoolyard. Thanks to, you've guessed it, the Human rights Act, its been decided it would be unfair to the poor dear to deport him back to his native Italy. While the uproar over this is understandable no-one seems to be pointing out that he has only served 11 years for taking an innocent life in the most brutal and vicious fashion!!!

Gun crime is increasing at a dramatic rate despite the most draconian gun laws in the world. As the saying goes: When guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns!

We cannot take effective action against people known to have undertaken terrorist training because of ....altogether now...The Human Rights Act, so about 3000 dangerous individuals are allowed to roam the UK unhindered.

And on and on it goes!!!!!!!!

I envy those getting out of this bland, undemocratic, paranoid, Orwellian sh!thole!!!!!

+1 Sums up how I feel exactly. My girl freind wants to move to Canuck land. I think it might be a good idea.

BSS_Goat
08-23-2007, 06:50 AM
Not to interrupt a good Euro bashing thread but....WTF is a Chav??

stanford-ukded
08-23-2007, 06:51 AM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav

stalkervision
08-23-2007, 06:53 AM
also chavs your rides are way to nice. Better you go with a "hooptie mobile" till you find your ultimate "coolness" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/1galleries/keystone_hoopt...oopties_gallery.html (http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/1galleries/keystone_hoopties/keystone_hoopties_gallery.html)

stalkervision
08-23-2007, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Not to interrupt a good Euro bashing thread but....WTF is a Chav??

apparently a lot like our white guys that believe they were born black only a lot less with it if that is even possible! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

from the videos I now have seen apparently it is.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BSS_Goat
08-23-2007, 06:59 AM
AAAHHHH a wigger....

stalkervision
08-23-2007, 07:11 AM
look people if you weren't born black you aren't black. PLEASE! Better to embrace your white nerdy roots for once. You ain't no gangsta's.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

well if your Italian this isn't a hard and fast rule.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JarheadEd
08-23-2007, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
I had a Brit in line (on queue) in front of me at a Subway the other day. 'e ordered a Chicken Terryacki sub with bahnahnah pickles. Handsome bloke 'e was!

Breeze, was that the Subway on base, in the Park, or San Souci? Here in southern Mayland, any one who doesn't end a sentence with "Cap'n" is either Amish or a dang ferriner. Once the JSF program gets hot and heavy here, there will probably be quite a few more nationalities getting their lunch at "Breadway", and learning what a SMIB is. (Southern Maryland In Bred)

Airmail109
08-23-2007, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
look people if you weren't born black you aren't black. PLEASE! Better to embrace your white nerdy roots for once. You ain't no gangsta's.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

well if your Italian this isn't a hard and fast rule.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What about London Gangsters and the Russian mob? These guys deal with stuff like overthrowing third world countries?

Even the Irish, if theres a war on you can bet the Irish have joined in, with some guy from Ulster in one trench lobbing grenades into the other whilst screaming "ya dublin ****"!!!

And dude, yes black people tend to be "cool" but what about James Dean and Steve McQueen?

But yes, Wiggers annoy me.

stalkervision
08-23-2007, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
look people if you weren't born black you aren't black. PLEASE! Better to embrace your white nerdy roots for once. You ain't no gangsta's.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

well if your Italian this isn't a hard and fast rule.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What about London Gangsters and the Russian mob? These guys deal with stuff like overthrowing third world countries?

Even the Irish, if theres a war on you can bet the Irish have joined in, with some guy from Ulster in one trench lobbing grenades into the other whilst screaming "ya dublin ****"!!!

And dude, yes black people tend to be "cool" but what about James Dean and Steve McQueen?

But yes, Wiggers annoy me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm feeling generous today so I will included that bunch also.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Breeze147
08-23-2007, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by JarheadEd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
I had a Brit in line (on queue) in front of me at a Subway the other day. 'e ordered a Chicken Terryacki sub with bahnahnah pickles. Handsome bloke 'e was!

Breeze, was that the Subway on base, in the Park, or San Souci? Here in southern Mayland, any one who doesn't end a sentence with "Cap'n" is either Amish or a dang ferriner. Once the JSF program gets hot and heavy here, there will probably be quite a few more nationalities getting their lunch at "Breadway", and learning what a SMIB is. (Southern Maryland In Bred) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, yeah it was the one on base. I'm seeing a lot more USAF now, too.

faustnik
08-23-2007, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
look people if you weren't born black you aren't black. PLEASE! Better to embrace your white nerdy roots for once.

We are all African. Some of our ancestors got kicked out a long time ago, that's the only diffrence between us.

Ernst_Rohr
08-23-2007, 09:53 AM
I have a suggestion to all of you folks looking for new digs;

TEXAS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Affordable Housing prices
No State Income Tax
A state legislature that is only allowed to meet every other year.
Self defense is still legal.
Crime is low outside of certain urban areas and the border.
Complete lack of chavs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
People are polite and friendly.
Lots and lots of wide open spaces
The crypto fascists Orwellian types are confined to a single state reserve (also known as Austin).

We are always glad to have more hardworking folks come down, especially those fleeing from politically repressive regimes, including defectors fleeing from the Peoples Socialist Workers Paradise of Commiefornia. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Airmail109
08-23-2007, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I have a suggestion to all of you folks looking for new digs;

TEXAS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Affordable Housing prices
No State Income Tax
A state legislature that is only allowed to meet every other year.
Self defense is still legal.
Crime is low outside of certain urban areas and the border.
Complete lack of chavs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
People are polite and friendly.
Lots and lots of wide open spaces
The crypto fascists Orwellian types are confined to a single state reserve (also known as Austin).

We are always glad to have more hardworking folks come down, especially those fleeing from politically repressive regimes, including defectors fleeing from the Peoples Socialist Workers Paradise of Commiefornia. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ive changed from Geology to Biomedicine...Ive heard there are lots of research posts going in Houston

So maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Ernst_Rohr
08-23-2007, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I have a suggestion to all of you folks looking for new digs;

TEXAS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Affordable Housing prices
No State Income Tax
A state legislature that is only allowed to meet every other year.
Self defense is still legal.
Crime is low outside of certain urban areas and the border.
Complete lack of chavs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
People are polite and friendly.
Lots and lots of wide open spaces
The crypto fascists Orwellian types are confined to a single state reserve (also known as Austin).

We are always glad to have more hardworking folks come down, especially those fleeing from politically repressive regimes, including defectors fleeing from the Peoples Socialist Workers Paradise of Commiefornia. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ive changed from Geology to Biomedicine...Ive heard there are lots of research posts going in Houston

So maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Texas is booming. Dallas/Ft. Worth, Houston, and San Antonio are very hot areas right now. Just about any high tech/professional field has very good employment possibilities.

Heavy_Weather
08-23-2007, 11:08 AM
with all the security cameras on every corner monitoring your every move, i cant say i dont blame them. it is happening here too, slowly but surely. as long as people buy into this government sponsored terrorism these things will continue to happen. its NWO full speed ahead!!!

Airmail109
08-23-2007, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I have a suggestion to all of you folks looking for new digs;

TEXAS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Affordable Housing prices
No State Income Tax
A state legislature that is only allowed to meet every other year.
Self defense is still legal.
Crime is low outside of certain urban areas and the border.
Complete lack of chavs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
People are polite and friendly.
Lots and lots of wide open spaces
The crypto fascists Orwellian types are confined to a single state reserve (also known as Austin).

We are always glad to have more hardworking folks come down, especially those fleeing from politically repressive regimes, including defectors fleeing from the Peoples Socialist Workers Paradise of Commiefornia. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ive changed from Geology to Biomedicine...Ive heard there are lots of research posts going in Houston

So maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Texas is booming. Dallas/Ft. Worth, Houston, and San Antonio are very hot areas right now. Just about any high tech/professional field has very good employment possibilities. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not so many rednecks then? And is there any greenery in Texas...at all? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Im used to greenery....its the only thing in the UK keeping me here...bar the lovely old towns as well.

DKoor
08-23-2007, 12:55 PM
Stick with your country.

DKoor
08-23-2007, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
look people if you weren't born black you aren't black. PLEASE! Better to embrace your white nerdy roots for once.

We are all African. Some of our ancestors got kicked out a long time ago, that's the only diffrence between us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>He he that's true (according to the some nice folks in white coats messing up something in the labs).

Ernst_Rohr
08-23-2007, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I have a suggestion to all of you folks looking for new digs;

TEXAS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Affordable Housing prices
No State Income Tax
A state legislature that is only allowed to meet every other year.
Self defense is still legal.
Crime is low outside of certain urban areas and the border.
Complete lack of chavs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
People are polite and friendly.
Lots and lots of wide open spaces
The crypto fascists Orwellian types are confined to a single state reserve (also known as Austin).

We are always glad to have more hardworking folks come down, especially those fleeing from politically repressive regimes, including defectors fleeing from the Peoples Socialist Workers Paradise of Commiefornia. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ive changed from Geology to Biomedicine...Ive heard there are lots of research posts going in Houston

So maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Texas is booming. Dallas/Ft. Worth, Houston, and San Antonio are very hot areas right now. Just about any high tech/professional field has very good employment possibilities. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not so many rednecks then? And is there any greenery in Texas...at all? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Im used to greenery....its the only thing in the UK keeping me here...bar the lovely old towns as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, Texas is so big we have a bit of every type of terrain.

South East Texas is right next to Louisiana, and its bayou country. VERY green there (as well as hot and humid).

Houston is pretty green, and its also on the hot and humid side in the summer, very nice in the winter.

Dallas/Ft. Worth is BIG, but its also got a fair amount of greenery, particularly if you get outside of the metro area.

San Antonio is semi-arid. Its not a desert, but it aint green either. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Still wet enough that Sea World put in a park there though.

El Paso is a desert city, pure and simple. Its also right smack on the border with Mexico, and has some issues in regards to crime, smuggling and immigration. I personally dont care for El Paso, but some of the surrounding country is pretty especially up into the mountains.

Corpus Cristi is a coastal city, lots of sand and beaches in the area, but its not quite as rapidly growing as the other cities mentioned.

There are some smaller cities that host large university locations as well. Lubbock has Texas Tech, which is a HUGE research university.

joeap
08-23-2007, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
Stick with your country.

Hehe blame the Turks or rather the Mongols who chased the Turks out of Central Asia...who came to Asia Minor. Oh and Alexander the Great who conquered Egypt and one of his Generals Ptolemy who founded a dynasty in Alexandria.

Oh and Samuel de Champlain who "discovered" Canada for France then much later Wolfe who conquered it for Britain.

My father's family originates in Cappadocia in modern Turkey. Theyu had to leave in the 1920s after a little armed scuffle between Greece and Turkey. Ended up in Egypt with the large Greek community there. Mom's family comes form Northern Greece and as there was a lot of economic opportunity they moved there too. Then fast forward to the 60s when Dad wanted to emigrate to Canada or Australia but Canada answered first. Snow not sun, oh well.

Then I wanted to do some further studies overseas in international relations after my BA and MA and ended up in Geneva. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

The world is my oyster. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

What is my identity though? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

snafu73
08-23-2007, 02:12 PM
Nobody is responsible for their actions anymore in the UK, the blame is always proportioned out so it's always somebody elses fault, meanwhile we've got the new Labour liberals, the loony liberals and the ever so slightly conservative liberals running round in blind panic biting their nails that somebody might have a politically incorrect thought - never mind say it!

Today Cameron was on the radio talking about 'rehabilitating' prisoners, while yesterday Billy Bragg was saying how we should encourage criminals to write lyrics and sing about their problems, then we would better understand them! why did'nt we think of that earlier? (Billy Bragg is a terrible comedian, and are you supposed to take his songs seriously?).

If only Ghengis Khan could have been talked into a sing-song round the campfire, think of all the blood shed that could have been saved.

K_Freddie
08-23-2007, 02:31 PM
bigbossmalone.. I'm from the same place.. I've lived here all my life, but now I'm outa here - family and all.

Basically as you say, a great place, but when you go to work every day and wonder whether any of your family will be 'missing' that evening.. you get the picture. No thank you.

As in any country, there are places to avoid. But there are many good legal systems in place that 'work'.
The one person mentioned that 11 year old in Liverpool, tragic as it is, but not so bad as here where murders don't make news anymore because it's not salable news.

Education of your children is the responsibility of the parents. If the parents don't care, the children are not going to either. There are many like this world-wide.

Within 6 months , you'll see the new me from a different place http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MEGILE
08-23-2007, 02:35 PM
If it wasn't for the heat... Texas would be cool.

Metaphorically speaking.

DKoor
08-23-2007, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
Hehe blame the Turks or rather the Mongols who chased the Turks out of Central Asia...who came to Asia Minor. Oh and Alexander the Great who conquered Egypt and one of his Generals Ptolemy who founded a dynasty in Alexandria. Yes. God knows from where we all originate, or from where our nations originate - even that is not 100% clear. But that is not important here for me because I look at it from personal level.

Today is from here, tomorrow will be from there.
As we learn more about the past, about the history.

But.......we should tend to stick with the countries where we were born.....you know how they say....home grass is greener, sky is bluer.
From my point of view opting to emigrate to another country is really a last desperate resort if everything else fails.

Copperhead310th
08-23-2007, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
We still have room here in California. You guys are welcome and we have plenty of sun.

Good God in Heaven Faust! they want to make an improvment in thier poor lives! not make things worse! California http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

huggy87
08-23-2007, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
We still have room here in California. You guys are welcome and we have plenty of sun.

Good God in Heaven Faust! they want to make an improvment in thier poor lives! not make things worse! California http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There goes copperhead with another California rant. What did, somebody take your lunch money out here.

ForkTailedDevil
08-23-2007, 09:36 PM
Wow and I wast thinking of moving to Europe. Sounds like the world really is to small. We all have the same problems. Damn humans anyway. In addition to the Chavs I hate the EMO's too.

MEGILE
08-24-2007, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by ForkTailedDevil:
EMO's too.

EMO's are merely silly confused kids.

Chavs are ********

Blood_Splat
08-24-2007, 08:20 AM
EMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEJDGLF-e18

fordfan25
08-24-2007, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
If I come across as incredibly angry and frustrated then I make no apologies, that's how I feel!

I could go on ranting but I think the best way to sum up how I feel is that I am fiercely proud of what Britain was and utterly ashamed of what Britain has become.

So in the next election use your vote well because it is the only weapon available to you to remove the left wing junta presently in power. Armed citizen revolt is no longer an option, they made sure of that!

When a government stops trusting the people then its time for the people to stop trusting the government! wich is one of MANY resones i and ALOT of my countrymen get upset when gunlawnuts try to pass laws to take away our guns. all these countrys who have taken away there peoples rights to guns have not realy seen any decress in crime. last i read alot of countrys have seen an increase. i can promise no one will take mine away with out looseing some blood.

ViktorViktor
08-25-2007, 12:10 AM
Texas has a heck of a past, which gives it a certain charisma to the outsider. But after you've lived there for more than 10 years, you may conclude that present day Texas is pretty boring and typical - too dang hot, too many people, too many parking lots, too much pollution, too much advertising, too many people pretending to be a cowboy. I think that half the population would flee if they couldn't use air-conditioning. And I'll bet all the armadillos and horned-toads I used to see are gone now cuz somebody paved over their habitat and put up another interstate highway or a shopping mall.

I think that in most cases (maybe mine too), the grass is always greener . . .

Phil_K
08-25-2007, 02:43 AM
I dunno. Britain has always had a subculture of violence, and it's amazing how quickly people forget what the last panic was.

I remember in the early 80s with the cult of the skinhead. The newspapers were full of news of the latest innocent person attacked or killed by "Skins". It was like society was falling apart. But it didn't.

Then you had the mods and rockers in the 60's, the Clockwork Orange thing in the early 70's, football hooligans in the late 70's/80's, the urban riots of the 80's. And let's not forget the IRA, Winter of Discontent, Miner's Strike, 3 Day Week etc., etc. And yet when you watch TV nostalgia shows, it's all Abba and the Beatles and flared trousers, and not a social problem in sight.

I think Britain is probably as good and bad as it's always been. The whole Chav/crime issue is basically down to ineffective and badly-managed policing. That's what all the problems in the UK, whether the NHS or transport or crime boil down to - badly managed public services. Until that is recognised and addressed, we won't get any improvement.

GIAP.Shura
08-25-2007, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by Phil_K:
I dunno. Britain has always had a subculture of violence, and it's amazing how quickly people forget what the last panic was.

I remember in the early 80s with the cult of the skinhead. The newspapers were full of news of the latest innocent person attacked or killed by "Skins". It was like society was falling apart. But it didn't.

Then you had the mods and rockers in the 60's, the Clockwork Orange thing in the early 70's, football hooligans in the late 70's/80's, the urban riots of the 80's. And let's not forget the IRA, Winter of Discontent, Miner's Strike, 3 Day Week etc., etc. And yet when you watch TV nostalgia shows, it's all Abba and the Beatles and flared trousers, and not a social problem in sight.

I think Britain is probably as good and bad as it's always been. The whole Chav/crime issue is basically down to ineffective and badly-managed policing. That's what all the problems in the UK, whether the NHS or transport or crime boil down to - badly managed public services. Until that is recognised and addressed, we won't get any improvement.

That's about the size of it.

For all those people saying they would get out if they could, well, there are no barbed wire fences around Britain. It is just a matter of putting your money where your mouth is, something that the "immigrant problem" so often referred to seems to be able to do.