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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:37 AM
does any one else feel the p40 is a better fighter than the p39 i have a prety hard time takeing a yak3 out on ace l.v with the 39 but i can easly down one every time in a p40 it just seems to turn much better. yet the bios on the planes say the 39 was the better of the 2?

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:37 AM
does any one else feel the p40 is a better fighter than the p39 i have a prety hard time takeing a yak3 out on ace l.v with the 39 but i can easly down one every time in a p40 it just seems to turn much better. yet the bios on the planes say the 39 was the better of the 2?

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:05 AM
Well, I think it depends on how good you are. I personaly think that -40 is a pig compared to -39 (as long as I can keep it from "tumbling") But maybe I don't spend enough time with it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 07:11 AM
I have moderate online success with the P40 and yes, I prefer it over the P39. The main reason is that I like the six .50 guns on the P40. The aircraft is stable and when you get in range, the .50s are devastating. I also find the P40 slightly more manoeuverable than the P39.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:10 AM
You probally have an easier time offline aiming it sounds like to me, the p39s are i'd say 10 times more effective then the p40s in fb

The p40m is slower then it should be in sea level flight
The p40m has a slower roll rate then it should it should be quicker then all the p39s but not the p63 kingcobra. Im not posting the charts again but most have seen them way too much anyhow. If you want confirmation you can ask the RAAF members skychimp and many other of the chart gurus on here.

In reality the p40m had a faster roll rate then the p39 but the p39 was much faster and had a better rate of climb

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 09:05 AM
Yeah the p40 is a bit of a pig but I still like to fly it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Infact at low alt it should be a great fighter but oleg must have been away the day the FM was made /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 10:29 AM
Me thinks she is neat tiny planecraft - but feels a little heavy. Funny thing is if you ditch it without being hit your front section will be full of bullit holes! LOL DM/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 10:37 AM
I'd say P-40 is not as bad as most people think... speed is not everything... and again in some instances it is. It really comes down to the initial situation in engagement and what you and other pilot will do.

I fly the P-40 a lot... in fact, almost all the time... and I'm quite grown to it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 10:48 AM
There was a time when the P40E fought against overwhelming Japanese Air Superiority.

At a time and a place in History when the Japanese Zero was probably the most dangerouse Combat aircraft you could encounter.

The P40s did not win a major victory, but they held their own because of the courage of the men who flew them, in the face of adversity.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:22 PM
the p40 just seems to turn better but i to can tell its kinda slow and is useless at high altudes the p38 just seems to wabble alot in a turn. do you guys think the p51 will turn about like the p40 does at low altutudes?

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:06 PM
fordfan25 wrote:
- the p40 just seems to turn better but i to can tell
- its kinda slow and is useless at high altudes the
- p38 just seems to wabble alot in a turn. do you guys
- think the p51 will turn about like the p40 does at
- low altutudes?
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Actually...I have always read that at low altitudes the P-40 was better than the P-51. High altitude performance and range were the P-51's assets.

ZG77_Nagual
10-23-2003, 06:11 PM
Bictchin cool thread about the p40 here.
I like the p39 better - but it is a great dogfighter.
http://www.yarchive.net/mil/p40.html
http://www.yarchive.net/mil/p39.html

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:44 PM
good read but what i dont understand is how could dog fighting or turn fighting be obsolete. iv never flown a plane in my life but it just doesnt make sense to me. in forgotten battles every fight i get into turns into a dog fight and to me it seems the plane with the fastest turn rate has the advantge as long as it isnt to much slower than the enemy.i mean what good is firepower if you cant bring it to bere on your enemy. iv tried every thing i can do but in a p47 i get my butt handed to me aginst a yak3 or la7 at VERY high altutuds iv downd a yak3 once and im talking about 1 on 1 fights aginst ace lv cpu.at low alt. i get them every time in a p40

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ZG77_Nagual
10-23-2003, 07:00 PM
It's your tactics. I'll admit against multiple opponents in say a 190a5 - it can be difficult to maintain the bnz regime - if they are all after you - but generally I'll break off before I lose speed and go vertical rather than get sucked into a circle fight. You may be able to leg up on the guy you are fighting - but if there are other planes shopping for lunch you are apt to look pretty appetizing down there low and slow.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 07:34 PM
fordfan25 wrote:
- good read but what i dont understand is how could
- dog fighting or turn fighting be obsolete. iv never
- flown a plane in my life but it just doesnt make
- sense to me. in forgotten battles every fight i get
- into turns into a dog fight and to me it seems the
- plane with the fastest turn rate has the advantge as
- long as it isnt to much slower than the enemy.i mean
- what good is firepower if you cant bring it to bere
- on your enemy. iv tried every thing i can do but in
- a p47 i get my butt handed to me aginst a yak3 or
- la7 at VERY high altutuds iv downd a yak3 once and
- im talking about 1 on 1 fights aginst ace lv cpu.at
- low alt. i get them every time in a p40
-
-

1 v 1 wasn't that common in the real world. It was team tactics. Turn fighting against an opponent that you know turns better than you is suicide. Most aces that I have read about considered the tight turn as a defensive maneuver...not an offensive one.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:08 PM
I feel like the P-40 is excellent. If it is used correctly, B&Z'ing while diving more, and if you dive other fighters down to the deck, they can't hit you! When in doubt in a P-40, dive like hell. When not in doubt, dive like hell. In fact, the best place to be in relation to your target, is above it. DIVE and fire accurately and you'll win everytime. Remember as well, the .50's aren't cannons, so you'll have to estimate the distance at which you'll attack the aircraft. I keep mine at 190 and I do fine.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 11:33 PM
In North African operations the P40 would fly cover for P39s. Why? Because the pilots thought the P40 was by far the better fighter. Only in the twisted reality of FB is the P39 so uber........

BE SURE!!!!!

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ZG77_Nagual
10-23-2003, 11:48 PM
Read this Twisted reality - and part 3 by a pilot who flew both in combat.

http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part2.htm

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:12 PM
ZG77_Nagual wrote:
- Read this Twisted reality - and part 3 by a pilot
- who flew both in combat.
-


I have read them before, they are quite interesting. And make an important point. The single most important factor in air combat is the PILOT. Not the machine.

He also has some interesting thoughts on the veracity of German performance claims....

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:18 PM
For all it's negatives, I love the p40 - and prefer it over the p39...

"- In reality the p40m had a faster roll rate then the
- p39 but the p39 was much faster and had a better
- rate of climb "

Yes, I was hoping Oleg would swap roll rates between these two as well!

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