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jolly_magpie
07-21-2006, 04:06 PM
Just saw this interesting post about a new UAV developed by LockMart:

P-175 Polecat (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=17787&rsbci=0&fti=111&ti=0&sc=400)

Only one pic has been released so far but it made me do a double take:

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/12857.jpg

Amazing!

jolly_magpie
07-21-2006, 04:06 PM
Just saw this interesting post about a new UAV developed by LockMart:

P-175 Polecat (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=17787&rsbci=0&fti=111&ti=0&sc=400)

Only one pic has been released so far but it made me do a double take:

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/12857.jpg

Amazing!

VW-IceFire
07-21-2006, 04:09 PM
Wow...thats uncanny.

Are there any photos of the planform or something like that. So we can actually see how the plane looks from another angle...or is this the only one? I mean...they may be revealing it without showing it off much.

waffen-79
07-21-2006, 04:14 PM
It won't be late till...

Someone post, it DOESN'T have anything to do with the Horten/Gotha-229... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

jolly_magpie
07-21-2006, 04:22 PM
This is the only pic I've seen, found originally here, scroll down a bit:
http://defensetech.org/

Article sez it's high flying AND can go over Mach One!!

Can't wait for more pics...

StG2_Schlachter
07-21-2006, 04:23 PM
It almost looks like a 1 to 1 copy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Capt.England
07-21-2006, 05:22 PM
IF it goes past the sound of speed then maybe the Germans where the first to break it. As said, this plane is the Ho-229 re-made.

berg417448
07-21-2006, 05:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.England:
IF it goes past the sound of speed then maybe the Germans where the first to break it. As said, this plane is the Ho-229 re-made. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doubtful since the Ho IX V2 only had a few hours flying time before it crashed. Maximum speed attained in the short testing period was around 500mph

justiceboy
07-21-2006, 05:44 PM
How does one go past the sound of speed? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
And what sound does speed make? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Is it a vroooom, or a zoooom?

russ.nl
07-21-2006, 05:44 PM
Man I really thought you ment this one.
http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/NASM/Img0028.jpg http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/NASM/05_Ho_229_and_me.jpg http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/NASM/08_Ho_229_center_section.jpg

You know, Northrop Grumman is developing an aircraft with with a "switchblade" wing. Just like the germans disgned in ww2. The "switchblade" action is for going supersonic. Actualy if you look at www.luft46.com/ (http://www.luft46.com/) you will see that many things you see today originate from ww2.

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=12066

http://www.luft46.com/bv/3bb202.jpg

I_KG100_Prien
07-21-2006, 05:45 PM
Looks like it also closely resembles the B-2 Spirit.

There are several prototype UAV's in development right now that are of the "Flying Wing" variety.

LStarosta
07-21-2006, 06:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.England:
As said, this plane is the Ho-229 re-made. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, I must have missed the part where they said that.

Haigotron
07-21-2006, 07:00 PM
This goes back to that crazy thread that i had made a while back, wildly claiming that american stealth bombers were inspired by the 229....how naive of me...

I salute those wild germans and their magnificent machines S

VW-IceFire
07-21-2006, 07:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.England:
IF it goes past the sound of speed then maybe the Germans where the first to break it. As said, this plane is the Ho-229 re-made. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Superficial look alike don't necessarily confer the same capability. Its fun to look at this new plane and say...hey there's some inspiration and similarities with stuff of old....but its still a new plane and probably totally different under the skin.

Before this devolves...remember that Northrup was experimenting with flying wings about the same time Horton was. The flying wing itself isn't all that unique to German avaiation...there are a number of different examples. The thing is that it used to be difficult to make one that actually worked well because of stability issues.

I'm personally waiting for an Airbus or Boeing designer to come up with a flying wing passenger aircraft.

russ.nl
07-21-2006, 07:06 PM
Yeah those Germans made some pretty awesome things. To bad it was for war though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif.

carguy_
07-21-2006, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by russ.nl: http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/NASM/05_Ho_229_and_me.jpg http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/NASM/08_Ho_229_center_section.jpg
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


WOOOW!So it was produced!How spooky the plane looks after 60years.
Cannot help the feeling of fear and sudden goosebumps when I see the German rusty devices of war.Been in underground German bunker complex too.Almost pissed myself from fear. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Surely something metaphisical about it.

BfHeFwMe
07-21-2006, 07:54 PM
http://www.luft46.com/bv/3bb202.jpg

Man did they ever screw up the Tomcat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Charos
07-21-2006, 08:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
http://www.luft46.com/bv/3bb202.jpg

Man did they ever screw up the Tomcat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes - it took the folks at NASA to point them in the right direction.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/images/content/105945main_AD-1_330.jpg

Badsight-
07-21-2006, 10:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
WOOOW!So it was produced! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>how could you read this forum everyday & not know this

it also flew 3 times , & was found to have a low radar image

papotex
07-21-2006, 11:22 PM
yes carguy...i felt exactly like you when i saw those pictures. exactly the same.

talk about machines coming from hell made by the devil.

im so glad the forces of good squished that one
just on time before the devil got away with it.

Ruy Horta
07-22-2006, 01:58 AM
IMHO these rare birds that are simply stored should be returned to their countries of origin to be restored (Ta 152, Go 229 even Bf 109R and many more).

Fine if they are restored and displayed, but just in storage.

Doesn't feel right just to have them rot away like that...

Vike
07-22-2006, 02:26 AM
Impressive,as usual http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG52Karaya-X
07-22-2006, 04:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">im so glad the forces of good squished that one
just on time before the devil got away with it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Sorry but that sounded so cheesy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It's really sad that so many exotic and marvellous birds are rotting away in museums or storage rooms - a flying Go229, He162 (IIRC the French flew them after the war - gotta buy some from them!), Do335, etc... now THAT would be a sight! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chuck_Older
07-22-2006, 06:23 AM
Better derelict in museums than lost for all time. How much of that Go would be left after a crash in 2006? the same amount left after a crash in 1944- nothing

WTE_Ibis
07-22-2006, 07:00 AM
Replicas would be nice.

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DuxCorvan
07-22-2006, 08:03 AM
Ho 229 could never have passed the barrier of sound without afterburner and the then state-of-art weak and unreliable jet engines.

Design is able to do, tho, if properly developed.

I like Ho 229. It is a neat, impressive looking bird.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by papotex:
talk about machines coming from hell made by the devil.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not so. Machines coming from human mind, made by humans. Evil is part of human soul, much effort and genius is invested in our self destruction. We create Hell, Devil is our son.

Dtools4fools
07-22-2006, 07:01 PM
How Horten powered some of their delta wings:

http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Horten_Nurflugels/ho_xii/ho_xii_oxen.jpg


Boeing or Airbus to build a wing? Here are first drawings:

http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Horten_Nurflugels/70_ton/70_ton_4.jpg


Lots of intersting pics on this wing page (http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Northrop/northrop.html)

*****

cawimmer430
07-24-2006, 02:26 PM
I was hoping it would be a replica of the Go-229, but I didn't find a mentioning of the Go-229 in the article at all. Almost as if they like to pretend that they DESIGNED it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Check my sig folks, I love that plane. Stall-free flying baby! Plus, I love the expression on enemy pilots faces when they see it. "What in God's name is that!?" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

p1ngu666
07-24-2006, 02:52 PM
does look abit spooky, those go229 pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

but ive seen a few latewar german things, that just radiate negative energy, (emotional, before raid gets any ideas http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif)

probably from the poor chaps and chapess's who made them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

think it was a V2 tail, and a jumo jet engine.

cawimmer430
07-24-2006, 02:53 PM
www.luft46.com (http://www.luft46.com)

Crazy Krauts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif