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Monstad
08-23-2005, 12:21 PM
Hi Oleg and fellas!

please don't flame me if this has been discussed already but are you going to be doing a Spit MKI for IL2?

This would be great!

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cheers
Neil

FI.Spitsfire
08-23-2005, 01:18 PM
There was an exterior model in progress...
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Zyzbot
08-23-2005, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Monstad:
Hi Oleg and fellas!

please don't flame me if this has been discussed already but are you going to be doing a Spit MKI for IL2?

This would be great!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cheers
Neil


I'm sure it is reserved for BOB.

Monstad
08-23-2005, 01:43 PM
Pleeeaaaaaasssssssseeeeeeee give it to us now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jaws2002
08-23-2005, 01:51 PM
No spit for you punk. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

JK. wait for BOB

Jetbuff
08-23-2005, 02:14 PM
Nah, doubt Oleg would compete with his own product. If we had Spit I in the game now why would we want to buy BOB - or at least that's the reasoning of the marketing types.

OTOH, it might be a good thing that they don't know that we would follow Oleg across the desert if he asked us to and we're buying anything he touches from here on in! OOPS.. did I say that out loud?

Tvrdi
08-23-2005, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by Jetbuff:
Nah, doubt Oleg would compete with his own product. If we had Spit I in the game now why would we want to buy BOB - or at least that's the reasoning of the marketing types.

OTOH, it might be a good thing that they don't know that we would follow Oleg across the desert if he asked us to and we're buying anything he touches from here on in! OOPS.. did I say that out loud?

oh common, you know we would buy BoB even with Spit I included in PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.....we will hav the new engine, FM, DM...after all we are addicted now to his sims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeadSpitter_
08-23-2005, 02:39 PM
exactly what tvirdi said a lower poly spit wont compete with a higher poly spit of bob with outstanding interior detail. I plan on playing BOB regaurdless, to me 6 flyable planes 2-3 varients of each will get boring fast even in a better engine and better graphics. I also will be buying rowans BOB 2 why? Becuase i like all wwii prop dogfight sims and have since the early 80s.

In FB AEP PF we have so many theaters and planes and nothing will or can top that.

a spit mk1a is crutial for bob scenarios in fb aep pf we have every other ac for it almost.

same as the ki27 for avg flying tigers campaigns

Just spit5s vs emils dont work then f2 f4 g2 vs spit 5s is a total slaughter of the opposite side.

Monstad
08-23-2005, 02:42 PM
yup, I don't buy that having a MkI will mean peeps won't buy the next sim, we ALL will buy it regardless.

A MkI Spit would be great for squads and campaigns etc. We can do all this without the MkI using the MkV ofcourse but it's not quite the same http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A MkI can only enhance IL2 but in no way will detract from the next sim.

Monstad
08-23-2005, 02:47 PM
As for Marketing being the reason, surely with WOV being released WITHOUT multi-player, giving us a MkI will mean IL2 is still the only BofB online sim worth having until Oleg releases the ultimate BofB sim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
08-23-2005, 03:11 PM
i fancy a markIII (yes 3) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Monstad
08-23-2005, 03:44 PM
You would Pingu http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

FI.Spitsfire
08-23-2005, 04:04 PM
I agree, the mk1 isnt gunna stop people buying BoB... are they gunna take out the stuka, emil, he-111, hurri etc out?
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faelas
08-23-2005, 04:35 PM
I have missed having an early spit around on occasion, but not nearly as much as I've missed having ANY flyable torpedo bomber...

hotspace
08-23-2005, 05:44 PM
Even though I would love to see a Spit MkI in PF I think I would still but BoB even if the MkI was in the next patch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hot Space

FritzGryphon
08-23-2005, 05:48 PM
Don't need Spitfire. Hurricane won the war, and prettiest plane was Defiant.

But seriously, I hope they don't add it. Will make BoB all the funner.

Besides, there aren't any maps that would use the Spit I anyway. Unless you count the British Island on that Normandy map.

plumps_
08-23-2005, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by faelas:
I have missed having an early spit around on occasion, but not nearly as much as I've missed having ANY flyable torpedo bomber...
You've missed the Beaufighter, the A-20, the Betty, the He-111 H-6, and the IL-2 T?

Poor guy, why didn't you buy Forgotten Battles or Pacific Fighters? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

PBNA-Boosher
08-24-2005, 12:45 AM
it won't happen. Wait for BoB.

In the mean time, use a Spit Vb, .303's only. This way you can practice using less ammo.

Philipscdrw
08-24-2005, 05:04 AM
All of us might buy anything that Oleg will produce, but we're very much a minority. The majority of Il-2 series users don't post here, remember. A sizeable chunk of people might not buy a BoB sim if they already have the aircraft in Il-2.

But, much more importantly, making a Spit Mk.1 would be a lot of work, it would duplicate work being done on BoB but it would be to a lower standard, a backwards step, and Oleg didn't include it on his list of aircraft that are possibly going to make it to the Il-2 series before BoB is launched. So no, we're not getting a Mk.1 Spit. Until BoB.

CHDT
08-24-2005, 05:30 AM
The more the aviation sims will be developed, the more the difference will stand not between graphics, but between playability and game features (for instance, games features for bombers players).

faelas
08-24-2005, 11:08 AM
plumps_

You've missed the Beaufighter, the A-20, the Betty, the He-111 H-6, and the IL-2 T?

Poor guy, why didn't you buy Forgotten Battles or Pacific Fighters?

Hey plumps_, I know not everyone here is a true fan of ww2 aviation, so I'll cut you some slack for being ignorant. Those planes you mentioned are not torpedo bombers, they are big level bombers that happen to be capable of carrying a torpedo. A "torpedo bomber" is a plane designed from the start to carry a torpedo, and fly from an aircraft carrier like the TBD Devastator, the TBF Avenger, the B5N Kate, the Fiery Swordfish ect ect. So, as I was saying, we have not one single flyable torpedo bomber.

If flying an A-20 with a torpedo off the deck of the USS Yorktown at the battle of Midway is your thing, then knock yourself out. I'd rather have an actual torpedo bomber myself.

Philipscdrw
08-24-2005, 11:24 AM
Hey plumps_, I know not everyone here is a true fan of ww2 aviation, so I'll cut you some slack for being ignorant. Those planes you mentioned are not torpedo bombers, they are big level bombers that happen to be capable of carrying a torpedo. A "torpedo bomber" is a plane designed from the start to carry a torpedo, and fly from an aircraft carrier like the TBD Devastator, the TBF Avenger, the B5N Kate, the Fiery Swordfish ect ect. So, as I was saying, we have not one single flyable torpedo bomber.

If flying an A-20 with a torpedo off the deck of the USS Yorktown at the battle of Midway is your thing, then knock yourself out. I'd rather have an actual torpedo bomber myself.

Psst... it was the 'Fairey' Swordfish. That's silly English names for you...

The Beaufighter wasn't designed to be a torpedo bomber, but it wasn't designed as a night fighter either I think - it was meant to be a heavy fighter for the RAF to use on escort, like the Bf-110.

Monstad
08-24-2005, 12:10 PM
Back on topic dudes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I want a Spitfire MkI in IL2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Monty_Thrud
08-24-2005, 12:42 PM
Couldnt 1c just cut the cannons off the MkV add the 4 .303's and FM of the MkI...sounds quite easy...almost as easy as adding a 25lb boost MkIX so the RAF can fly happily into 1944-45

Here the Spitfire MkI that was started...

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//Spit-1b.jpg

Monstad
08-24-2005, 01:14 PM
Exactly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Although I do not want a modified Mk V as skinning it is a REAL pain http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I would settle for that ofcourse,

how about it Oleg, can't be that much work to turn the Mk V into a Mk I?

Monson74
08-25-2005, 10:23 AM
Why not a Va for those late 1940 battles? It would match the E4 quite well I think. But I doubt it - we will get all the early stuff in BoB. Two years - be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Beirut
08-25-2005, 07:00 PM
I'd love a MKI. In the original CFS it was my favorite plane. For some reason I could drive nails with those guns. Just felt right.

Looking forward to BoB's MK!

Might pick up the new BoBII sim. Could be fun. Supposed to some massive air battles in that and lots of MKI action. (Yes I know IL2 is better, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have fun flying other sims.)

alert_1
08-26-2005, 05:38 AM
One huge Channel map is all I want, right after 4.1 si out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

dog-of-war
08-26-2005, 01:21 PM
monty_thrud
was thinking along the same lines myself
just downgrade the engine
the original spitfire mkv were spitfire mk1 machine guns upgraded to spit mkva. spitfire mk1b cannon upgraded to spitfire mkvb .basically by just installing more powerful engine. the switchover on the production lines went very well

FI.Spitsfire
08-26-2005, 04:49 PM
(as inspired by Avro! Pic I drew at work.. on a postit)
Hi I'm a Spitfire mk1,
Please make me flyable, I love to roll and turn and climb and dive, well not dive but all the others, pretty please don't leave me out for another 2 years! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/Spitsfire/Picture17.jpg

tomtheyak
08-29-2005, 04:38 AM
Turn the Mk V into a MkI - aint that simple folks.
Think Gibbage made the original model for the Vb and he's discussed this on the old Netwings D&D forum - he won't do it cos Oleg won't put it in. Plus to actually modify the model requires:

1) New spinner and prop
2) New cockpit canopy
3) New oil rad (Mk I was half cylinder not whole)
4) Major wing redesign - remove cannon blisters and muzzles add dispensing chutes for additional .303s
5) Major FM mods - different rolling inertia due to change of weight in wings, differnet a/c weight, lower rated engine, fabric ailerons, negative-g engine cut.

Yeah, i'd like the MkI too, but it's not coming till BoB. So do what I'm doing: save the pennies, keep the machine up to spec and hope for the best. Plus BoB II:Wings of Victory is out soon for those who just can't wait! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Xiolablu3
08-29-2005, 04:56 PM
I think a later war Spit is a more pressing addon for this sim,

The Western front allies are very hard pressed fighting the 190D and 109K in Spit 8's and 9's.

Save the Mk1 for BOB, give us a Griffon Spit for FB!

ashley2005
08-29-2005, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
exactly what tvirdi said a lower poly spit wont compete with a higher poly spit of bob with outstanding interior detail. I plan on playing BOB regaurdless, to me 6 flyable planes 2-3 varients of each will get boring fast even in a better engine and better graphics. I also will be buying rowans BOB 2 why? Becuase i like all wwii prop dogfight sims and have since the early 80s.

In FB AEP PF we have so many theaters and planes and nothing will or can top that.

a spit mk1a is crutial for bob scenarios in fb aep pf we have every other ac for it almost.

same as the ki27 for avg flying tigers campaigns

Just spit5s vs emils dont work then f2 f4 g2 vs spit 5s is a total slaughter of the opposite side.

since the 80s ...showing your age there old man http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Abbuzze
08-30-2005, 04:39 AM
It´s a marketing question. If I would be Oleg, I would not include a SpitI/II.
If you want to fly it - buy it! (BOB)
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And so all discussions about the Spit I are senseless...

Dew-Claw
08-30-2005, 11:31 AM
Last night, I dreamed BOB came out and Oleg anounced that portions of PF code were being opened up for designers who wished to apply for the oppertunity to build 3rd party add-on aircraft, held to Maddox Specs and Quality of course.
(not that the sim community would tear apart any low quality work or anything)

I then realized it was about the sim and not the money...and vowed to buy every Maddox product produced from then to eternity....

Then my alarm went off.

Bolloxs0
09-01-2005, 06:30 PM
We have a 1940 Hurri and an Emil, so why not a Spit I ?

I for one, like 99.99% of everybody else will be buying BoB regardless, so give us the full monty in the meantime Oleg and your ascension to heaven will be assured - the best insurance policy you can buy - especially with those dodgy Ruski suicide drivers you have over there.
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Thank you.

_RAAF_Bolloxs

dog-of-war
09-03-2005, 05:35 AM
yes we have most of the german aircraft for the battle

have many of you actually submitted a spit mk1 for review?

what happened with the above external viev spit

Philipscdrw
09-03-2005, 06:29 AM
Mk1 Spit wasn't on the List. No Mk1 Spit for Il-2.

This thread is pointless. There are only two conclusions we can reach:

a) Everyone likes more planes, including the Spit Mk1.
b) But we're not going to get it until BoB.

VW-IceFire
09-03-2005, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Mk1 Spit wasn't on the List. No Mk1 Spit for Il-2.

This thread is pointless. There are only two conclusions we can reach:

a) Everyone likes more planes, including the Spit Mk1.
b) But we're not going to get it until BoB.
I'd say thats a very fair assement.

corsairf4u
09-04-2005, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by Monson74:
Why not a Va for those late 1940 battles? It would match the E4 quite well I think. But I doubt it - we will get all the early stuff in BoB. Two years - be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

but the va spit wasnt used untill 41 m8 ..and pingu,,,the mk111 never made it into production m8 ,the mkv being used instead

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2005, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by Jetbuff:
Nah, doubt Oleg would compete with his own product. If we had Spit I in the game now why would we want to buy BOB - or at least that's the reasoning of the marketing types.

OTOH, it might be a good thing that they don't know that we would follow Oleg across the desert if he asked us to and we're buying anything he touches from here on in! OOPS.. did I say that out loud?

They will want to ensure that BOB is competely superior to the IL2 series, the standard has been set & I dont know how it can be improved

MOH_Hirth
09-06-2005, 09:04 AM
oh common, you know we would buy BoB even with Spit I included in PF .....we will hav the new engine, FM, DM...after all we are addicted now to his sims

109e need spitfireMK-I.

LeadSpitter_
09-06-2005, 03:28 PM
we will buy two copies of bob oleg http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MOH_Hirth
09-10-2005, 12:52 PM
oh common, you know we would buy BoB even with Spit I included in PF .....we will hav the new engine, FM, DM...after all we are addicted now to his sims
Spit I is the big hole for IL-2 series, 109e need spitI, and I will buy Oleg BOB of course!!

FritzGryphon
09-10-2005, 01:57 PM
I don't think you can call Spit I a hole, when the IL-2 series never went to BoB.

It just happens to have a Stuka B, Hurri I and 109E becaus they served in other theatres. There isn't even a BoB map to play these missions on.

Now, BoB will have Spit I, and relevant map, and all other planes to round it out. I think I can wait.