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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 12:03 AM
I'm about to upgrade my entire Puter system.

I Like the space saving feature of Flat Panel monitors, even though they are expensive.

I now am using a 19" Sony Trinitron CRT and it gives superb image/resolution/etc... I run FB at 1600x1200 with highest settings.

What is the opinion on a LCD Flat Panel for running FB??? I probably can only afford a smaller monitor, maybe 17" or even dropping WAY down to a 15" LCD flat panel.

I will watch occasional DVD movies on this puter/monitor, but my biggest concern is Specifically how will IL2:FB run/look, graphics wise on a Flat Panel LCD. FB is the ONLY graphics-intensive application/Sim/Game which I use, and with which I am concerned as to the use of an LCD Flat Panel Monitor. .

Any advice will be appreciated.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 12:03 AM
I'm about to upgrade my entire Puter system.

I Like the space saving feature of Flat Panel monitors, even though they are expensive.

I now am using a 19" Sony Trinitron CRT and it gives superb image/resolution/etc... I run FB at 1600x1200 with highest settings.

What is the opinion on a LCD Flat Panel for running FB??? I probably can only afford a smaller monitor, maybe 17" or even dropping WAY down to a 15" LCD flat panel.

I will watch occasional DVD movies on this puter/monitor, but my biggest concern is Specifically how will IL2:FB run/look, graphics wise on a Flat Panel LCD. FB is the ONLY graphics-intensive application/Sim/Game which I use, and with which I am concerned as to the use of an LCD Flat Panel Monitor. .

Any advice will be appreciated.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 01:53 AM
Its good, real good! with 32bit and a TFT it´s easy to spot enemies at large distance..
my CTX P700 has only one disatvantage.. in hammeheads with a lot of movement of the ground- planes climbing behind you are sometimes hard to spot (cause the bluring) but its only a bit!!! if you use the PC for work... you will never gave your TFT away anymore!!!
The colours are great.. sun and searchlights are REAL blinding you,...
90% of all things are better than a CTR 10% like described abouve are worse..
try to get a fast one.. don´t believe in officell datas with 25ms... take a look at the TFT in a store there are fast 35ms panels and slow with 25ms reaction time... the datas are often cheating!
Try to find a test in a good PC magazin!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 02:22 AM
The more $$ you throw at it the better it will work.

IMHO, CRT's are still better for graphic intensive programs and especially games like IL-2/FB. I Have a 19" flat screen NEC MultiSync FE991SB. Max display is 1793X1322 @ 60Hz, (too slow a refresh rate for FB), but looks amazing at 1600X1200 @ 85Hz.

If you can afford a decent flat panel, and you have the room for a CRT tube, you could consider a 22" flat screen which would still probably cost same as/less than a flat panel.

Check

http://www.tomshardware.com

for reviews and

http://www.pricewatch.com

for prices.

Congrats on being able to upgrade.




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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 03:30 AM
Theres something about CRTs thats crisper, LCDs are nice but theres no difference in quality, they burn out in 2-3, a 17"- 20" good lcd 1000-2500. If your really serious about it get a hdtv lcd

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 04:28 AM
We use Apple 23" LCDs for Medal of Honor sessions at work, and they're great for that. Apple displays are expensive, but are always top of the line.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 04:46 AM
i have 22" flat screen monitor i would like to upgrade it to TFT monitor, but its just too expensive for me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
since iam so used with 1600X1200@100.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 04:59 AM
I recently bought this monitor :
http://www.mitsubishi-electric.com.au/PRODUCTS/COMPP/tft/dv172.htm
the quality is great, it's bright and looking great on all games including FB. I never regreted it and I don't think I'll be going back to CRT.
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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:43 AM
had both a 15" flat panel and a 17" CRT on my desk here at work for a while and they were pretty much of a muchness but I end up giving the flat panel away as the CRT was overall crisper, mind yuo a high quality 17" flat panel would probably have been a different matter

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 09:12 AM
If a TFT can´t deliver the low response time needed to play fast games in the settings you´ve specified, you´re in for one blurry and frustrating experience. If you intend to buy one for whatever reason (maybe because it looks stylish) and have lots of money to burn, make sure to test the TFT of your choice at your retailer, and let your eyes be judge, instead of trusting in marketing hype or fancy sounding features. Some manufacturers add the prefix "gaming approved" to their TFT´s, and advertize with response times of 16ms and below. Actually this response time might be just valid for a single setting, which might be completely uneconomical to work with. In any case, don´t expect a TFT to beat a good CRT monitor.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 09:31 AM
One thing worth thinking about...

The TFT resolution is hard-wired by the pixel layout, so unless you run the game in a resolution equal to the screen's dimensions in pixels then the screen hardware remaps the resolution you have selected to the actual pixels it has available.

I have seen one TFT recently (an 18" Dell) where this remapping produced some bugs in the anti-aliasing wth a Radeon card and Cat 3.4 drivers. Some edges were anti-aliased and some were not. I'm not sure if this was a glitch that could be tuned out and didn't have the time to investigate properly.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 09:35 AM
Well, the contrast on TFTs is marvellous, in comparison Il2 looks kinda anemic on my pal's CRT.

All in all, buying that display was one the best decisions I made.
Different response times have always been a phenomenon. You would think the industry to drop their slower transistors as better ones are being produced (Want to buy a brand new Celeron-CPU? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).
In fact they have been selling LCD monitors with 2X ms response times for about 8 months now...

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 03:42 PM
I have the Dell 20" LCD and it's just freaking great. All this space saving and a great picture too? Forgetaboutit.

I'm probably getting a plasma home threater screen for the same reason. I don't need behemoths on my desk to have 5% better computer gaming.

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 04:26 PM
I have a new Dell 18" TFT LCD (DVI hookup)... as soon as I got it with my Dimension XPS and got online there was an update for the drivers for the monitor from Dell... I installed them and cannot be happier with the display...I run it a 1280x1024x32 (the max it will support) .... only problems I have noted on occasions in a hard turn with the view from within the cockpit, I will get what looks like a "wave" running vertically on the screen... but even this is momentary and not very distracting...

video card is ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb with Cat 3.4 drivers... not gonna upgrade to 3.5 until I have had this PC for awhile.. otherwords.. if it aint broke don't fix it..

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Hawgdog
07-15-2003, 06:43 PM
19" Syncmaster 192N, never happier, never look back.
Rasberrys on those huge tube thingy's that used to be on my desk. Expensive, yes, work harder!
Love the monitor, better color, higher gaming fps (even tho now I understand that has nothing to do with frame rates)
Love it, get one, you will be a flat whiner too!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 07:36 PM
Flight sims in general are one of the better cases for LCD monitors - outside of very nasty spins, there's not usually a massive amount of high-motion movement. In some cases IL2/FB is a pain to play with even a very good LCD, especially if you're likely to be flying around at dusk - there's simply no such thing as an LCD that can produce genuine black blackness. Other cases would include any LCD trying to go from blinding IL2 muzzle flash brightness to darkness in a great hurry - switching speeds on even very, very good LCDs are still noticably slow, if you're looking for them.

Personally, unless you've already got one, I'd go for trying to grab a cheap 21". If you're prepared to buy one second hand and can put up peeling off someones CAD stickers, you can get one very cheaply indeed. I got a 21" Trinitron [IBM branded] for $50 australian this way, and it's just lovely to use.

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 07:39 PM
I love my 17" LCD.


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