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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 08:11 PM
WE Need the pacifict and graphiyx as this one

http://www.angel.ne.jp/~tochy/airplane/1945/1945.mpg

"Never forget the past so we dont make the same mistakes in the future"

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 08:11 PM
WE Need the pacifict and graphiyx as this one

http://www.angel.ne.jp/~tochy/airplane/1945/1945.mpg

"Never forget the past so we dont make the same mistakes in the future"

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 08:16 PM
Look at the blood on the copit of the last george been shoot down by the p51, doesnt it look nice? wee need blood oleg, it lets u know when u killed the enemy pilot aswell

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 09:38 PM
But not as much as we need Southern Europe, the Mediterranean, and North Africa.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 09:52 PM
Aztek_Eagle wrote:
- WE Need the pacific



Gershy wrote:

- What for?

With the planes we already have and will get soon the west, mediteranean and africe would be much more interesting.


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07-28-2003, 10:16 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 12:10 AM
Ahum,..(you Blood thirsty Aztec) most people back in the Il2 poll on the most favorite theather on their wishlist disagree with your choice cause they wan't the med N-Africa!
Il2 has been loved for reproducing the "Forgoten wars" (not forgoten by WWII bufs!) and you name me a worthy sim depicting the Med N-Afrcan theather, you must know there is a huge list of paciffic sims already!

bye the way did't Qeutzal cotl forbid you to shed blood in his or the gods name!?

Regards kees, (Irokees)

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 01:25 AM
I could swing either way.

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 01:29 AM
While I'd love the Pacific, the Med and WW1 both came in ahead of it in the poll a while back.

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 01:33 AM
yea north africa would rock

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 01:45 AM
The lord wants blood in his honor, i am just a tool for his wish

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 01:47 AM
Aztek_Eagle wrote:
- The lord wants blood in his honor, i am just a tool
- for his wish

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 01:51 AM
lol

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 02:28 AM
That video has some awesome effects, but the converstaion between the P-51 pilots is friggin hilarious. In fact it reminds me of that one game that had the phrase "All your base are belong to us." If you listen closely, one of the lines said by a P-51 pilot is, "Recover us the altitude!" Hehehe. Good stuff.

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:23 AM
Lol yea, i think a japanese made that, so... but it is realy cool any wyas...

Oleg we need aircraft carrier or the chupa cabras will get you while you are sleeping

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:49 AM
Too much water, not enough land

Had my Pacific fill with Aces of the Pacific, PAW1942, CFS2 Dave

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 07:28 AM
yea and i like how the sea is full of sunk ships from ww2, and all those planes on the bottom of the ocean and all that

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:06 AM
I voted in the Poll awhile back too, I voted for the Med because the Pacific was never given as an option at the poll, other wise I would have voted for the Pacific, along with about probably 5 million Americans, which was probably why it was never given as an option at the poll

chuckle

Not that it matters, we are already having a lot of fun recreating the Pacific in FB, just waiting on the Zero now.

See here,

URL http://www.geocities.com/blackwulf1_2000/kg55.html

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:16 AM
Mediterranean first.

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 07:35 PM
I am dying for the pacific, but if you give me the Enterprise, Naval planes and another carrier(Zuikaku) with its coresponding aircraft, I can live with the Med. As long as it has naval map.(OK, Sicily does look like Guadalcanal/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 08:00 PM
i am mosly dying for aircraft carriers, that is why i love so much the pacific, and those naval battles

"Never forget the past so we dont make the same mistakes in the future"

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:34 PM
Give it time Aztek_Eagle.

A long time ago Oleg did say that the 1C team where waiting for PC technology to catch up with what 1C is capable of producing right now, he said that over 12 months ago.

Even today Graphics cards and processor speed still has some catching up to do.

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 12:06 AM
and what does that mean :S


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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 06:08 PM
I only NEED food, water, clothing, and shelter. But I really WANT the Pacific /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 10:58 PM
1 pacific map,but the whole med /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 11:36 PM
Oleg is acepting 3rd party maps, so some one with great talent shuld model the philipines

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 01:53 AM
THERE WERE BRITISH NAVY AND MERCHANT NAVY CARRIERS IN THE MED!!!

I want to fly Fulmars, not Hellcats.

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 06:46 AM
Philipscdrw wrote:
- THERE WERE BRITISH NAVY AND MERCHANT NAVY
- CARRIERS IN THE MED!!!
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- I want to fly Fulmars, not Hellcats.
-
- Philips CDRW
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- Posting vacuous messages since 2002

Yea i would like to see it, but dont think they will, sadly

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 12:38 PM
Don't give us the pacific!!! I hate the pacific! Big, blue and boring /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 02:11 PM
i'd go for med (incl. landings at Sicily, Italy and maybe torch as well and all that Monty/Rommel stuff too) but I'd rather have all the planes we have in FB now made flyable first.

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 09:44 PM
Actualy Guys,
The Pacific has already arrived in FB, we are only waiting on the release of the Zero into FB to post the Missions at our down load page.( still under construction)
We have just included a history page giving a very breif look at the actual combatant squadrons from both sides, involved in the historic air battles, in the area recreated in FB,
Link http://www.geocities.com/blackwulf1_2000/kg55.html

Also screen shots of the Aircraft in their Pacific skins that will also be downloadable in the form of a Pacific skin pack.
Note not all Pacific aircraft skins that will appear in the Missions are on display at the screen shots page as of yet.

S!

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:33 AM
I'm sick of shooting down Germans, Italians, and Hungarians. Time to flame broile some rising suns. In the immortarl words of some author, "Go South (Pacific) Young Man." Or as Patrick Henry put it, "Give me the Pacific, or give me . . . at least some nice aircraft carriers in the Med.

Seriously, the Pacific war is a forgotten war to a large extent, and there has been only one (medicore) Windows compatible sim of that theater ever made. The East Europeans have had their sim, now its time for us Americans and Asian to get some (carrier-based) representaion.


BTW, I do not believe the Pacific was given as an option when we were asked to vote for another theater. I am pretty sure I voted Med at the time, but only because the PTO was not on the list, and the Med (with carriers, battleships, torpedo bombers, and islands) is the closest think to it.


Message Edited on 08/01/0305:39AM by Nimits

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:56 AM
What we don't need is another US-centered simulation just to please the US crowd. The Med has a lot more nations than the Pacific and it is another forgotten theater. Pacific? Thanks, but I'll pass.

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:12 AM
The Med is very short lived though its only draw back, after June 1944 no Luft fighters any where near the Med, it does not really matter though.
FB is a very flexible Sim, you can already recreate many different theatres of the War.
With 3rd parties now allowed to also make Maps, I think you will find all theatres will be covered, soon enough.

There is enough technical expertise around the States to ensure a Pacific Map arrives in FB soon enough.
Who knows we may be surprised and somebody in Japan will do the first Pacific Map in FB, only time will tell.

The best part about FB is all sorts of Aircraft are showing up like the Zero for the Pacific and the P51 for Europe and the Pacific etc etc.

The Maps will follow soon enough, and all compatible within the same Sim, that would give FB a very long life.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 05:19 PM
csThor wrote:
- What we don't need is another US-centered simulation
- just to please the US crowd. The Med has a lot more
- nations than the Pacific and it is another forgotten
- theater. Pacific? Thanks, but I'll pass.
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So we NEED another Eastern Euro-centered sim? I think not.

Two things to remember. Three things, any sim covering the war from 1942-1945 and not set on the Eastern Front is going to include Americans, because Americans were present in virtually every theater of the war, (MTO, ETO, PTO, CBI). In fact, there would probably have been American planes based in the USSR, except that Stalin would not allow that. So unless you want to endlessly recreate the Eastern front, any WWII sim is going to feature (generally prominantly) the USAAF, USN, and/or USMC. Second, counting the WWII sims that have been made for Windows (EAW, MSCFS, MSCFS2, MSCFS3, JWWIIF, JAS, SDFSOE, LC, NFC, BOB, IL2, IL2FB) the USAAF/USN/USMC has appeared as a major player 8 times, the RAF 8 times, the Luftwaffe 11 times, the IJN/IJA 1 time, and the VVS 2 times. In those sims, the Western Front has been featured 9 times, the Eastern Front 3 times, the MTO, 1 time, and the PTO/CBI 1 time. If anything, these sims are too German-centered. The third thing is, despite some more exoctic British and Italian aircraft, the MTO is basically the same old Hurricaine vs. Me-109 fight that we have in almost every offline sim made in the last 8 years. Il-2 gave us some variety by at least letting us fly MiGs, Yaks, and P-40s against those same old Me-109s, but now its time to get out of the European rut and do justice to the very real (and often forgotten) war in the PTO.




Message Edited on 08/01/0308:43PM by Nimits

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:12 PM
Nimits wrote:
- anything, these sims are two German-centered. The
- third thing is, despite some more exoctic British
- and Italian aircraft, the MTO is basically the same
- old Hurricaine vs. Me-109 fight that we have in
- almost every offline sim made in the last 8 years.

Have some sympathy for us from the commonwealth, in my case originally from South-Africa, who have wanted a med sim all our lives. The PTO has been done a number of times before (Aces of the Pacific, CFS2), but the Med and North Africa never... And the MTO is much more than Hurricane's vs. Me-109s - this is almost as bad as saying the PTO is the same old Hellcats against Zero's as in AOP and CFS2...

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 01:14 AM
Nimits wrote:
- csThor wrote:
-- What we don't need is another US-centered simulation
-- just to please the US crowd. The Med has a lot more
-- nations than the Pacific and it is another forgotten
-- theater. Pacific? Thanks, but I'll pass.
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- So we NEED another Eastern Euro-centered sim? I
- think not.
-
- Two things to remember. Three things, any sim
- covering the war from 1942-1945 and not set on the
- Eastern Front is going to include Americans, because
- Americans were present in virtually every theater of
- the war, (MTO, ETO, PTO, CBI). In fact, there would
- probably have been American planes based in the
- USSR, except that Stalin would not allow that. So
- unless you want to endlessly recreate the Eastern
- front, any WWII sim is going to feature (generally
- prominantly) the USAAF, USN, and/or USMC. Second,
- counting the WWII sims that have been made for
- Windows (EAW, MSCFS, MSCFS2, MSCFS3, JWWIIF, JAS,
- SDFSOE, LC, NFC, BOB, IL2, IL2FB) the USAAF/USN/USMC
- has appeared as a major player 8 times, the RAF 8
- times, the Luftwaffe 11 times, the IJN/IJA 1 time,
- and the VVS 2 times. In those sims, the Western
- Front has been featured 9 times, the Eastern Front 3
- times, the MTO, 1 time, and the PTO/CBI 1 time. If
- anything, these sims are too German-centered. The
- third thing is, despite some more exoctic British
- and Italian aircraft, the MTO is basically the same
- old Hurricaine vs. Me-109 fight that we have in
- almost every offline sim made in the last 8 years.
- Il-2 gave us some variety by at least letting us fly
- MiGs, Yaks, and P-40s against those same old
- Me-109s, but now its time to get out of the European
- rut and do justice to the very real (and often
- forgotten) war in the PTO.
-
-Yawn!!!!!!!!!! Nice of you Yanks to give us a helping hand 2 years late.
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 08/01/03 08:43PM by Nimits

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 03:19 AM
Im all for the pacific first from pearl harbor to the surrender of japan along with chinas role against teh japanese. Now that would be something never made before


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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 06:07 AM
Better late than never glazier, or western europe would have been decorated in swastikas or red banners for several decades afterwards. Its not as if Americans were not helping out before 1942 either (Lend Lease, Destroyers for Bases, Neutrality Patrols, Undeclared War in the Atlantic, Eagle Squadrons, American Volunteer Group). But that is a whole other issue.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 07:12 AM
Nimits wrote:
- Better late than never glazier, or western europe
- would have been decorated in swastikas or red
- banners for several decades afterwards. Its not as
- if Americans were not helping out before 1942 either
- (Lend Lease, Destroyers for Bases, Neutrality
- Patrols, Undeclared War in the Atlantic, Eagle
- Squadrons, American Volunteer Group). But that is a
- whole other issue.
-
-

Fair point re the Undeclared War in the Atlantic and Eagle Squadrons, not sure about Lend (profiteering) Lease though?
But as you say, that's a different issue!

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:10 PM
if anyone won the war it was the russans,had the russans not entered the war the germans would have won,americans or no americans.The would have beat the british and would have pushed on through egypt,they would have taken madagascar and linked up with the japanese near india,would have allied themselves with brazil and argentina and invade and conquer north america.


Nimits wrote:
- Better late than never glazier, or western europe
- would have been decorated in swastikas or red
- banners for several decades afterwards. Its not as
- if Americans were not helping out before 1942 either
- (Lend Lease, Destroyers for Bases, Neutrality
- Patrols, Undeclared War in the Atlantic, Eagle
- Squadrons, American Volunteer Group). But that is a
- whole other issue.
-
-

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 11:00 PM
Russia didn't really enter the war against the Germans as their first choice. Stalin thought Hitler was his fried and ally and didn't even counter at first when German forces invaded.

We can go on forever imagining 'what if' scenarios and outcomes. I prefer to believe that the Allies would have eventually defeated the Axis had things been different.
Hitler would have just been nuked, and any other force that threatened to overcome America. It would have been a terrible mess. It's terribly unlikely that the Axis would have overtaken the USA before the bomb was finished, and not too likely that any Axis power would have developed a nuke before being nuked had there been such a threat.

It is true tho, Russia broke Hitler's back. He was a fool to have attacked Russia without being prepared, and while still battling the Allies.

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:22 AM
Nimits wrote:
- I'm sick of shooting down Germans, Italians, and
- Hungarians. Time to flame broile some rising suns.

Try other site and shot down Allied? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Ground structure were Eastern front air war.Pacific war is not one of the forgotten.They remember too much about.

Most sims were with US based planes: F14,F15,F16,F18
CFS2 is only pacific war.

Forgotten? Yes:air war over africa,against Malta,just the medi,air war over France in 4o's.....

But if Pacific shall come....await not only the rising suns,....the Würger will visit you too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But you're right....just a map is needed.We have some planes we can use for that....../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:02 AM
macker33 wrote:
- if anyone won the war it was the russans,had the
- russans not entered the war the germans would have
- won,americans or no americans.The would have beat
- the british and would have pushed on through
- egypt,they would have taken madagascar and linked up
- with the japanese near india,would have allied
- themselves with brazil and argentina and invade and
- conquer north america.
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Did the Russian Front break the back of the German Army? Sure! That is undeniable. Did the Russians beat the Germans single hadedly? Hardly. It was American trucks that equipped Stalin's motorized divisions and support units, it was American boots that kept tens of thousands of Russian soldiers from freezing to death, it was in American planes that many Russian aces scored their kills, and it was American and British merchants and warships that brought these goods to Russia. Meanwhile, on the ground, the British were battling the Germans in the ground in the Mediteranean, joined by the US in North Africa in Novevember, 1942, all the time draining German resources. In 1943, the US and British forced the surrender of the Axis forces in North Africa, a victory similar in scope to that at Stalingrad only a few months before. The invasion of Italy similarly occupied more German forces, while the Normandy invasion opened up a third front against the Germans. Don't forget that in late 1944, there were more German Panzer division on the western front than facing the Russians. It is not implausible to postulate that, without British and American assistance, the Russians could have been forced to make a disadvantageous peace in 1942 or 1943. At the very least, it would have taken the Russians several more years to decisively defeat Germany.

Also, do not forget that World War II was not just a war against Germany and Italy. Japan was a very active and dangerous member of the Axis, in some ways more so than Germany. While the USSR was able to concentrate all of its effort on defeating Germany's military (an effort that took four years), the US and Great Britain were forced to expend between a third and half of their men and material in the Pacific, a theater in which the much vaunted Russians did nothing to aid final victory and only joined the war long enough to grab a few imperial possessions before the cease fire.

As for the Germans invading North America, macker, that is unadulterated fancy. It would probably have taken the Germans until 1947 or 1948 (1945 at the absolute earliest) to have a Navy strong enough to defeat the RN alone, and they would not have been ready to invade the US until the 1950s, by which time we could have simply nuked any of the remaining Axis belligerants into surrendering if necessary

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:21 PM
i'm sorry,i seem to have inadvertantly cheapened the american war effort,
i still maintain that if it wasnt for the russians the germans would have won the war.If they had invaded england instead of russia they would have conquered england easily,they were at peace with russia so no war there,With england out of the way north africa and the middle east with all that oil,The british colonies would have been handed to the japanese making the americans job in the pacific a lot harder.

As for dropping the nuclear bomb on germany?they would have had to launch the strike from an aircraft carrier.The germans were close to perfecting the a-bomb too.That combined with the v2 rocket and the new york bomber and things could have been very very different.One things for sure is hitler would have nuked the *** of russia no questions asked.Maybe the germans came closer to winning the war than people imagine.We can just be grateful to all the men that died so others could have the world we have now.

What if hitler waited until a later date to declare war on america and continued with his reserch into wonder weapons?

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:12 PM
you think the 100 mile flights are bad now, wait untill you get the 500 mile (at least/ and no senery) flights over the pacific

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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 09:44 PM
It would seem after translating the Post Oleg made on that Spanish Gaming board, that 1C does indeed intend to expand into all theartes of WWII with a series of further improoved 1C air combat sims, returning to the Russian front a few years further down the Road.

Personaly I reckon he is on the right track there, because the appeal of the 1C sims will, be global and get even greater market penetration in all parts of the globe.

After all 1C have now set a standard that not one single competitor seems to want to rise too!
As long as that remains the case from here on in everybody globaly associates the name of Oleg Maddox and 1C with the best Air Combat Sims available if you are looking to buy an Air Combat Simulator.

Oleg has done well, and he plans to create even more refined WW II Air combat Sims,
Exciting times ahead for us combat flight sim fans, that is for sure!
Thank goodness somebody like Oleg came along with his interest in Air Combat Simulation!
Look at the crappy alternatives we would have in Combat flight simulation if not for the Genius of Oleg Maddox!!

S!



Message Edited on 08/04/0308:47PM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:58 AM
Personally, I don't think we need the pacific. I've played almost all the pacific games...and all I could think of was fighting an ME109 or H111. I mean, the Jap planes were lightweight with no self sealing tanks or armour so they literally blew up when shot at! Thats not much fun. Try taking down an H111 with a P40 (ie. machine guns only) - you'll see how hard that is.

Besides, someone mentioned earlier the 500 mile flights over water would be terribly boring.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 02:30 AM
Oryx wrote:
The PTO has been
- done a number of times before (Aces of the Pacific,
- CFS2), but the Med and North Africa never...

You're wrong. http://www.wargamer.com/articles/99e3games/desert_fighters.asp

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:20 AM
Flying_Merkava wrote:
- Oryx wrote:
- The PTO has been
-- done a number of times before (Aces of the Pacific,
-- CFS2), but the Med and North Africa never...
-
- You're wrong. <a
- href="http://www.wargamer.com/articles/99e3games/d
- esert_fighters.asp"
- target=_blank>http://www.wargamer.com/articles/99e
- 3games/desert_fighters.asp</a>

Merkava, thanks for reminding me of this one. I guess you may not be aware, but this game never made it past the alpha stage... It was shown at the 1999 e3 and I believe you can still download a copy of the alpha/demo, but the game was never completed and was cancelled when Sierra made a major re-shuffle later that year. I believe the same reshuffle also lead to the end of Dynamix. At the time it did look promising though. This was unfortunately another big disappointment for those of us who were hoping for the Med and another reason why I would like to see the Med before another Pacific sim...

Regards,
Oryx



Message Edited on 08/05/0305:21AM by Oryx

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:26 AM
What we need is continuation on the Eastern front.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:58 AM
As far as credits and blames for WWII... all the major players played major parts on both sides. Dig more into history if you don't think so.

Some blames: The Soviets cooperated with the Nazis, Americans invested heavily in Nazi Germany, the French WWI reparations and conquest of Alsace-Lorraine really put force into the Nazis, Japan and China were at it and while Japan was the main belligerant in the Pacific there was economic pressure on them what with competition for resources and development between many countries in that region. The Brits, did any support Hitler before the war? And lastly there was a lot of fence-sitting and ignoring right up till and past the invasion of Poland. The Soviets even took a chunk of that one.

Credits: Worldwide, count men and materials. Balance with the blames and see that the reaping of death and destruction was many times in proportion to the sowing. It is empty to discuss credits alone.


Neal

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 04:39 AM
It surprising how many people post and make statements that a Pacific Sim would involve 500 mile boring flights or describe the Pacific as big blue and boring.

We all know that they are just Anti Pacific statements, and those sorts of statements are seen for what they are, which is total crap.

I reckon its good that Oleg and team are going to expand into ALL theartes of WW II in the comming Sims and then re visit the Russian Front again a few years down the road, after all, strange as it may sound, and as much as I do enjoy IL-2/FB, the Russian Front is the Air War theatre that has actualy been done to death in recent times. chuckle.

As far as the Pacific goes, it does not involve long flights, for starters nobody would host a game like that, to suggest other wise is only being Anti Pacific and we all know that, they would put carrier battles closer together, and the Pacific was not all Aircraft carriers either, there where plenty of Ground campaigns and Battle areas that only involve as much flying time as there is currently in FB.

We have just created the Pacific in FB, New Guinea area actualy, 1C is at this moment even refining the Zero to complete our missions. he! he! ( cop that)

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:40 AM
WE need Western Europe. We need France and Belgium and England http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WE NEED THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)))

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:50 AM
Not anti pacific but pro mediterranian,I disagree with the expanses of oceans arguement though,thats not hard to work around anyway,if cfs2 can do it the maddox team can do it,theres still places like burma to have an air war,the pacific war wasnt all aircraft carriers,The med still gets my vote though.

every single fighting man who gave his life for what he thought was right is a hero in my books.Right people doing the right thing,it all just went bad.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:36 AM
Guys, the F4F Wildcat, the main US carrier fighter from late 1941 through mid 1943 had a combat radius between 175 and 200 miles. Its successors the F6F and the F4U had combat radi between 250 and 300 miles. Considering that bombers rarely operated outside of fighter cover, carrier battles and island campaigns were generally fought well within that range that means most missions would take place within a 200-300 mile radius of home base. Besides, all they would have to do is allow 16x or 32x time compression.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:32 AM
hehehe just imagine you'd play a Pacific mission. Big sea battle. Carriers, many many battle cruisers. You in the middle with your torps and the FB sniper ship AAA, lololol

2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:57 PM
Yes, maybe after Med..

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:32 PM
No maybe, Now!. Or I'll hold my breath until Oleg gives us Wildcats and the Lexington. (Defeat the logic of that argument!).


hehehe,

But seriously, there is alot more fun to be had over the islands, jungles, and oceans of the Pacfic, fighting zeros, dive bombing carriers, torpedo bombing battleships, providing CAS for Marines invading Okinawa, intercepting IJA bombers over Rangoog (not to mention high frame rates due to more water and fewer cities).

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:19 PM
The truth is, we have most of the planes for the medeterranean theater anyway, so if we make the scenery and unit designs, and the extra planes, We could get the new sim so much faster than converting the entire sim and making the twenty new ones we'll need to make at least to get a good Pacific Sim.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 07:32 PM
Nimits wrote:
- No maybe, Now!. Or I'll hold my breath until Oleg
- gives us Wildcats and the Lexington. (Defeat the
- logic of that argument!).
-

Have you turned blue yet?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


As has been said in the previous post, the a/c set for the Med is partially completed, while the whole a/c set for the Pacific will have to be done (Japanese, American, British - at least 11 basic fighter type a/c plus the sub-models). The Med a/c set would include some a/c that would be in the Pacific.

Logic dictates that the Med sim is done first and then a Pacific sim./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif There is also the problem of carrier landings, which the Il2/FB engine cannot handle.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 09:46 PM
Actualy guys,
I have heard rumour that Oleg is working on a new more complex program.
Also in that Spanish interview he was talking about taking the best out of FB to create the new generation more complex Air combat sims we can expect from 1C in the future.
Apparently there will be less aircraft but more refined flight model characteristics.

We could end up with a situation further down the Road where 1C may try the double wammy Sim release for all we know.
After all you do need to make dollars to stay in the Sim building buissness, why not appeal to the largest possible global audience after all.
The Med and the Pacific in a single release because less aircraft would be in both.
The more complex program easily handling the routines needed for aircraft carrier landings and take offs.
Carriers for one side in the Med carriers for both sides in the Pacific, everybody is happy, including 1C with money comming in from Europe and America, and just about every where in between.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 04:49 AM
Even more complex than FB is amazing but I suppose you can always keep chasing reality with simulations. The graphics can keep going up but what they've done with FB is very impressive but I suppose the physics has some ways to go yet.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 10:32 AM
JimRockford wrote:
- Russia didn't really enter the war against the
- Germans as their first choice. Stalin thought
- Hitler was his fried and ally and didn't even
- counter at first when German forces invaded.

Stalin thought Hitler was his enemy. He just didn't
think he was going to invade when he did. There is
a difference between being caught with your pants
down militarily, and some choice (which you seem
to imply) not to resist.

- It is true tho, Russia broke Hitler's back. He was
- a fool to have attacked Russia without being
- prepared,

Which is why Stalin didn't expect him until 1942...
The USSR wasn't ready either, and wasn't expecting
to be ready until 1942.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 10:38 AM
macker33 wrote:
- i'm sorry,i seem to have inadvertantly cheapened the
- american war effort,
- i still maintain that if it wasnt for the russians
- the germans would have won the war.If they had
- invaded england instead of russia they would have
- conquered england easily

If they could have invaded Britain (not just England)
then they might have won. However Germany was in no
way able to launch a large seaborne operation in the
time between the loss of British heavy equipment at
Dunkirk, and the replacement of this in 1941, and in
1941 attention turned eastwards.

- As for dropping the nuclear bomb on germany?they
- would have had to launch the strike from an aircraft
- carrier.

or a B36.

- The germans were close to perfecting the
- a-bomb too

The Germans were nowhere near perfecting the A bomb.
They were about 5 years away given the path they were
taking on it. Also the project had little funding,
nuclear science being branded a 'jewish science'.

- That combined with the v2 rocket and the
- new york bomber and things could have been very very
- different.

The V2 rocket had a range of 250 miles. The atomic
weapon being developed would have taken an aircraft
about 3 or 4 times the size of the Amerika bomber to
carry it.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 11:34 AM
Nimits wrote:
- Guys, the F4F Wildcat, the main US carrier fighter
- from late 1941 through mid 1943 had a combat radius
- between 175 and 200 miles. Its successors the F6F
- and the F4U had combat radi between 250 and 300
- miles.

We get all of those in the Med, too, though!

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 12:26 PM
Flying_Merkava wrote:
- Oryx wrote:
- The PTO has been
-- done a number of times before (Aces of the Pacific,
-- CFS2), but the Med and North Africa never...
-
- You're wrong. <a
- href="http://www.wargamer.com/articles/99e3games/d
- esert_fighters.asp"
- target=_blank>http://www.wargamer.com/articles/99e
- 3games/desert_fighters.asp</a> -
- <img
- src="http://www.defense-update.com/directory/merka
- va-4.jpg"> - Merkava Mk4 IDF MBT

Canned project, never released.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 12:45 PM
I do not need Pacific .. just the patch .. looolll

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 01:43 PM
Poor americans boys,just 3 or 4 sim made on Pacific but no one made by Maddox!
Mediterraneo and North Africa never had a sim i don 't think there is something alse to say.
It' s up to you if the Microsoft made a very poor sim about Pacific, may be you have to talk and cry with them.

Oleg let try us for the FIRST TIME: El alamain, Tobruk, Malta, Kasserine pass, battle of Tunisia, Sicily,Salerno, Creta,Montecassino, Anzio, The Gotic line, invasion of Yugoslavia, Greece ect ect.
Think all how nice to start from the south of Italy with the P-38 or P-51 escorting B-17-B-24 to Bomb Ploesti or Germany!

MEDITERRANEO FIRST !!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 04:05 PM
How many times do I have to say this: Screaming Demons: Fighter Squadron Over Europe and Luftwaffe Commander already covered the Mediteranean theater.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 05:56 PM
Nimits wrote:
- How many times do I have to say this: Screaming
- Demons: Fighter Squadron Over Europe and Luftwaffe
- Commander already covered the Mediteranean theater.

Luftwaffe Commander is so bad (I got it for 10 in
the bargain bin) it doesn't count as a simulation!

Plus it's taken a long time (i.e. until now) for SDOE
to be a decent game. It also had maps for NW Europe as
originally shipped.

Basically we have
NW Europe: CFS1, EAW, B17II, WW2F, JAS, SDOE, AH, WB2, WB3
Pacific: CFS2, PAW 1942, WB2, WB3, AH
Med: SDOE, WB2, WB3
Eastern Front: IL2, IL2FB

Plus Fighter Ace, Air Warrior, etc, with fantasy maps
for the most part (although I do remember an Air Warrior
Doolittle raid offline mission amongst others).

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 08:29 PM
Med or BoB or Western Europe 1944/45 or Pacific....
anyone of these would be great from Oleg.....just don't make me buy a new computer.....

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 11:20 PM
Pacifiiiic! Give it to me!

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king."

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:18 AM
AaronGT wrote:
-
- Nimits wrote:
-- How many times do I have to say this: Screaming
-- Demons: Fighter Squadron Over Europe and Luftwaffe
-- Commander already covered the Mediteranean theater.
-
- Luftwaffe Commander is so bad (I got it for 10 in
- the bargain bin) it doesn't count as a simulation!
-
- Plus it's taken a long time (i.e. until now) for
- SDOE
- to be a decent game. It also had maps for NW Europe
- as
- originally shipped.
-


Alright, but the Pacific has the same problem with CFS2.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 07:16 AM
Being an aussie i'll add my 'vote'...
BRING IT ON!!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:51 AM
ker bump

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:31 PM
there isnt any campains is sdoe so you cant play a desert campaign,maybe if you download about 200mb of addons you can have a campaign game,i dont reckon there are too many people willing to download 200mb of stuff though,

As for saying luftwaffe commander is a bad game?i think its become sexy to say its a bad game.I enjoyed it a lot and there were a lot of good things about it,compare it to cfs,luftwaffe commander had parachutes,the planes trailed smoke,dust effects,shell casings,cool music,interviews with real pilots and most importantly the bad guys actually tried to kill you instead of the half hearted efforts you get in some games,it was also the first combat flight game to have a russian campaign.Cfs had none of this.
the graphics were a bit ropey and the sound could have been better.It is part of a great series also.

Anyway,theres no desert campaign in luft commander,its been so long since i played it that there might be a desert campaign,It tells how far games have moved in the last few years,from luft commander to il2.Definately med next,then pacific then a tank game ala panzer commander.maybe the maddox team can develop their own battleground series.What a pity SSI's gone.maybe the maddox team could develop the different games but the same virtual battleground thing that silent hunter/destroyer command enjoy.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 10:46 AM
stupid p-51 pilots trying to kill lil japs kid ......

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 11:00 AM
macker33 wrote:
- think its become sexy to say its a bad game.I
- enjoyed it a lot and there were a lot of good things
- about it,compare it to cfs,luftwaffe commander had
- parachutes,the planes trailed smoke,dust
- effects,shell casings,cool music,interviews with
- real pilots and most importantly the bad guys
- actually tried to kill you instead of the half
- hearted efforts you get in some games,it was also
- the first combat flight game to have a russian
- campaign.Cfs had none of this.
- the graphics were a bit ropey

The graphics were 648x480 and looked no better
than Falcon on the Amiga in 1988!!! And the flight
models were pretty much of an embarassment too.

I found it in the bargain bin for about 10 and
worked on the principle that even though it hadn't
got reviews it would be worth 10 to fly in
the Spanish Civil War, etc. Boy did I waste that
10! Flying badly rendered He51s soon lost its appeal.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 11:57 PM
AaronGT wrote:
-
- The graphics were 648x480 and looked no better
- than Falcon on the Amiga in 1988!!! And the flight
- models were pretty much of an embarassment too.
-
- I found it in the bargain bin for about 10 and
- worked on the principle that even though it hadn't
- got reviews it would be worth 10 to fly in
- the Spanish Civil War, etc. Boy did I waste that
- 10! Flying badly rendered He51s soon lost its
- appeal.
-

i'm probably just very easily satisfied,640x480 is still twice the res of the playstation,I forgot to mention the really funny voice acting,that alone could make it a cult classic.

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 01:18 AM
I'd like to see the pacific or the med. But what I really want to see is china. Its got everything. Sea, land, mts, jungles and outrageous odds!

What's not to like?

But keeping with the theme of the thread I'll say I'd rather see the pacific than the med. Though I would like to see the med too.

Bring it all on I'll play it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 07:40 PM
I have to disagree with anyone who says that we don't need it!! The planes here are some of the most gorgeous of WW2. It would be a tragedy if Ubisoft didn't follow suite and do this. Yes the med and southern Europe are interesting arena's as is Eastern Europe as depicted in IL2 and FB. The last decent attempt apart from the ok ish, cfs2 was year ago with Sierra Ace's Series, which had loads of planes and was streaks ahead of its time!

And no we won;t be getting all the planes!!! All we will get are P47's and P51's and the odd bomber. What about the vast array of Jap fighters and bombers, Kates, Vals, Georges etc.
Yes there's a Zero in the pipeline, but why?!!! And then we have the US navy and US army planes. Yeah we have the P40 and P39, but what about Corsairs, Dauntlesses, TBF Avengers, Tiger cats, P38's, B29's, B25's. Wldcats, Hellcats, etc etc etc!!!!!!!

Come on Oleg, we love Russia but the Pacific has to be best for planes and scenery!!!

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 08:05 PM
We need the pacific. (china, indo china, the philipines, barbosa, Australia, and many others that have been forgoten) i have never seen a battle of australia sim, nor a philipines, you guys when heard the pacifict u only think about sea and ships, but a place like china is a big piece of land isnt it?
and stop argue about who won ww2, i am mexican, i will have to say that mexico won the war because of our oil that keep the planes flying and the tanks moving, reason why mexico declare war on the axis was thanks to the german submarine blokage of our merchant ships, mostly oil tanker, that were sunk in the gulf of mexico, and we gave usa alot of metal and other materials to build your great army and navy, and besides dont forget usa opened the border so that mexican worker would work bulding tanks ships and airplanes guns and all that... so mexico won the war.... bs.. the true was that every one did do something for the war effort so stop the freaking complaining

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08-15-2003, 12:12 AM
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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 03:47 AM
I want a med/ africa game and something new. Weve seen it all before with the Pacific.

However, online it might be interesting to cut Americans a new one. The japanese planes can out manuver the USAs boom and zoom pieces of crap and online it'd be a turkey shoot. So yes, bring it on, I want to see burning Americans filling the sky.

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 01:45 PM
You need the Pacific, I don't!

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:31 PM
GIVE THE WORLD!

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 12:35 AM
Yep I agree,

Theaters of war i'd like to see:

1.) Pacific Theatre, specialy sth east asia and new guniea, burma ect.. lots of forgotten battles there.

2.) The Med, was my first choice once but not anymore, I'd prefer a theatre of war with as many new AC as possible, not more models of exisiting ac and a couple of new ones.

3.) Western Europe, IMHO it would be good, as would any new theatre of war but lets face it, like the Med we'd get alot of the same AC and a good slathering of new ones. But most of the new ones we might well get in the med or in the pacific.

Ultimatly with the bug fix patch done, it's aircraft opptions that intrests me, that and a complete change of scenery geographicly. Add to this I am an Aussie so New Guinea is of personal interest to me.

Still, U.S. and RAAF Aircraft used in the Pacific and Sth east asia would give us a huge variety of Allied AC. And UNLIKE THE OTHER THEATRES OF WAR no matter how much you like them, there are not a large amount of Axis fighters to be added. Doing The Med would give you Italian AC, but not all that many, doing western europe would maybe give you a few differant variants of existing AC.

BUT: Doing the PACIFIC would give us access to the whole damn Imperiual Japanese Inventory, as well as US and RAAF Allied AC.

So in conclusion Aircraft Wise doing the Pacific would give us a greater variety of Aircraft and a complete step away from Europe with Maps, It would also generate interest for Pacific Squads, and Japanese Squadrons withing the IL2 FB Community and there fore be better for the community overall and it's longevity. IMHO then the Pacific would give us the best value aircraft wise, the best diversity geographicly and be better for the online community.

With all that said, I'll be happy to get anything new.

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 09:11 PM
i would like to see a china map and a philipines, not a carrier big sea battles only, may be even korea! and japan map?

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