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Ritter_Cuda
10-27-2005, 09:32 AM
ok i was playing around an notice you can not toggle off the p-38 gun pod is this the way it is supose to work?
you can on the p-63
or is this a glich?
thanks
Cuda

BSS_CUDA
10-27-2005, 01:44 PM
I believe that is correct, they are controlled by the cannon trigger

faustnik
10-27-2005, 02:06 PM
On the subject of P-38 loadouts, they are just awesome for ground attack. With bombs and 10 rockets a flight of P-38s can just tear the heck out of a German tank colunm. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif The P-38L Late is just a one-stop shopping bonanza in PF. You can use for any role at any altitude and kick-butt. The LW has some good fighters, but, for multi-role use they pale in comparison the the P-38.

BSS_CUDA
10-27-2005, 04:26 PM
does the LW really even have a true Multi-role plane? the allies particularly the USAAF had the P-38 and P-47,the USN + USMC had the F4U. those are about the best American multi-role aircraft in WW2 maybe the best in the entire war. they were good at everything A2A and Jabo, even Recon in the case of the P-38. I believe the only Multi-role plane the LW had was the 110 and later maybe the 262, but the 110 wasnt a good fighter at all. correct me if I'm wrong, I truly am not that familiar with LW planes

Aaron_GT
10-27-2005, 04:40 PM
190 - A2A, G2A, bomber interceptor.

faustnik
10-27-2005, 04:48 PM
Yeah Cuda, the Bf110 was not great in the ground attack role, it was too vulnerable to ground fire, and of course, it was a poor fighter. The Fw190 would be the closest but, most didn't have the great rocket loadouts like the Allied a/c. The best would be the Fw190F9s which did have good anti-tank rockets and were very fast, but, they were pretty late in the war.

Buzzsaw-
10-27-2005, 06:44 PM
Salute

The other issue is that the P-38L Late as constituted in the game did not fly in Europe.

By 1945, P-38L's were all assigned to the 9th AAF or the 15th AAF in the Med, and neither of those had access to 100/150 fuel, which the P-38 L needed to run at the boost levels which the late model is set at.

Only in the Pacific, when the U.S. started to provide its own high grade aviation fuel, 115/145, did the P-38L likely operate at boost levels similar to the game's P-38L Late.

The only P-38's that should be used on the European maps are the J and standard L.

BSS_CUDA
10-27-2005, 07:29 PM
The only P-38's that should be used on the European maps are the J and standard L.

thats fine with me, just make sure you give them the proper climb rate that uhm by the way the L-Late doesnt even meet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif of course this has been all hashed before numerous times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Bearcat99
10-27-2005, 09:00 PM
Wel DUUUHH.. LOL no wonder I couldnt get them to work..LMAO... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

BigKahuna_GS
10-28-2005, 05:40 AM
S!


Buzzsaw- Posted Thu October 27 2005 17:44
Salute
The other issue is that the P-38L Late as constituted in the game did not fly in Europe.
By 1945, P-38L's were all assigned to the 9th AAF or the 15th AAF in the Med, and neither of those had access to 100/150 fuel, which the P-38 L needed to run at the boost levels which the late model is set at.
Only in the Pacific, when the U.S. started to provide its own high grade aviation fuel, 115/145, did the P-38L likely operate at boost levels similar to the game's P-38L Late.
The only P-38's that should be used on the European maps are the J and standard L.



Hya Buzz,

No disrespect intended but much of the data you are using for the P38 especially the P38L is incorrect. All P38L's recieved factory Allison F-30 engines rated at 1725hp at 3200rpm on 100/130 grade fuel. Allison's factory specs/ratings were all based on 100/130 grade fuel.

Now the P38 POH stated 1600hp on WEP, but the actual engine was never de-rated and was fully capable of the Allison factory specs of 1725hp while operating on grade 130 fuel.

And according to several sources posted here already many times now, the P38L saw service in the ETO. They were also in the 8th AF for awhile but only as recon planes.

What is interesting if you had payed attenetion to any of Tagart's devicelink P38 climb tests is that the P38L Late actually matches USAAF climb and speed specs. If the P38L had matched these specs the P38L Late wouldnt have been neccasery.

The P38J is off as much as 1000fpm+ on it's climb rate according to USAAF specs & devicelink climb tests charts. The P38J would have more performance if it had it's true climb rate.


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JG53Frankyboy
10-28-2005, 06:01 AM
the Fw190 was realy the single engined multirole plane the LW had:
-fighter/interceptor
-ground attack/close support (Fw190A-X/U3 or 190F)
-long range fighter bomber (Fw190A-X/U8 or 190G)
-recon , Fw190A-X/U4
-nightfighter
-tankhunter with Panzerblitz

JG53Frankyboy
10-28-2005, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
Yeah Cuda, the Bf110 was not great in the ground attack role, it was too vulnerable to ground fire,.........

well, the 4 Groups that fought at the eastern front with Bf110s were very succsesfull in their ground attack role - till 1943 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif when the last of them was send "back" to the west.

these groundattackers were mostly upgraded in thier armour protection - sure they were no IL2s , but were faster to avoid AAA.
agaisnt good flown modern single engined fighters both, the IL2 and Bf110, had few chances.

Hetzer_II
10-28-2005, 06:20 AM
Salute

The other issue is that the P-38L Late as constituted in the game did not fly in Europe.

By 1945, P-38L's were all assigned to the 9th AAF or the 15th AAF in the Med, and neither of those had access to 100/150 fuel, which the P-38 L needed to run at the boost levels which the late model is set at.

Only in the Pacific, when the U.S. started to provide its own high grade aviation fuel, 115/145, did the P-38L likely operate at boost levels similar to the game's P-38L Late.

The only P-38's that should be used on the European maps are the J and standard L.



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i dont believe it buzzaw.. what happened??
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Franky... where you see the difference of 190 to 109? It(109) was very succesfull as fighter, it was often used as jabo, it saw massive action against bombers and there were versions for recon missions...
I know the 109 was not as good as the 190 in some parts.. but on the other side.. the 190 was worse in some other aspects..

I believe german a/cs were realy multirole capable...

Col._King
10-28-2005, 10:38 AM
S!

Actually, the P-38J of the game seems to have ratings of the P-38J early marks, as the P-38J-5-LO.

The "old" P-38L appears to be rated as a late mark of the J variant, as P-38J-15-LO or J-25-LO. Int the latter case it is correct to have the "dive brakes", as the J-25 was retrofitted with those brakes and powered ailerons that were standard for the real L variant (L-1-LO).

The P-38L_Late we got with patch 4.01 is a "true" L, with the correctly rated engines.

All variants were used both in the Pacific and in the European Theatre of Operation.

Now, the gunpods were not operationally used. Only one or two aircraft were so equipped, in the USA, for experimental purpose.
This is clearly stated in the Squadron Signal book P-38 in Action.

So if we want to fly the P-38 looking at Historical correctness, we will have to discharge the wing gunpods as not historically correct for an operative P-38L.

Thank you and Salute.