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TgD Thunderbolt56
10-08-2007, 10:53 AM
Relevant to the discussion in leitmotiv's query, here's the poll everyone suggested...but didn't make.

LEBillfish
10-08-2007, 10:57 AM
.....note the numeric and graphical precision of the same question when posed by an onliner... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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crazyivan1970
10-08-2007, 10:59 AM
Much better now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BrotherVoodoo
10-08-2007, 11:02 AM
10 offline 90 online for me. I do like the occasional QMB to keep sharp or maybe a campaign if I'm in the mood. Online is really where it's at for me though.

LEBillfish
10-08-2007, 11:02 AM
p.s.....can someone check please to make sure the offliners are not modding the poll results...

Thank you...

SeaFireLIV
10-08-2007, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
p.s.....can someone check please to make sure the offliners are not modding the poll results...

Thank you...

I resent the insinuation that offliners would mod the Poll! I`m an onliner too!

SlickStick
10-08-2007, 11:16 AM
99.95% online. Only about 0.05% offline to test a few planes after a patch once in awhile, so I voted 100% online.

LEBillfish
10-08-2007, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
p.s.....can someone check please to make sure the offliners are not modding the poll results...

Thank you...

I resent the insinuation that offliners would mod the Poll! I`m an onliner too! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sooooooooo......you're modding the online poll as well?


tsk tsk http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ElAurens
10-08-2007, 11:36 AM
I fiddle about offline in QMB once in a great while, but I'm an onliner and voted that way.

While the poll is a good idea, we all know that the majority of purchasers are offline, for whatever reason.

Personally I find offline dreadfully dull. Even the very best community made campaigns don't hold a candle to the online experience. IMHO.

SlickStick
10-08-2007, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Personally I find offline dreadfully dull. Even the very best community made campaigns don't hold a candle to the online experience. IMHO.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

The canned AI responses to specific tactics is quite easy to overcome and having the human part of the equation is where the challenge lies in this game for me as well.

Manu-6S
10-08-2007, 12:03 PM
I started with Offline (russian and german campaigns) and later I entered in a virtual squad.

From then I've tried once to start a offline career but I giveup after the 3th mission... useless AI...

100% online for me...

Haigotron
10-08-2007, 12:28 PM
Interesting results so far! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Seems most folks have a large tendency towards either offline or online, and few in between http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I say keep em coming!

mrsiCkstar
10-08-2007, 12:41 PM
99.95% online. Only about 0.05% offline to test a few planes after a patch once in awhile, so I voted 100% online

Your vote is clearly modded to overperform by .05% ...a true mark of a closet offliner!

100% online here.

SlickStick
10-08-2007, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> 99.95% online. Only about 0.05% offline to test a few planes after a patch once in awhile, so I voted 100% online

Your vote is clearly modded to overperform by .05% ...a true mark of a closet offliner!

100% online here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I have to account for my testing of planes, once in a blue moon, but I haven't flown an offline mission, co-op, or campaign, in probably 4+ years. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
10-08-2007, 02:00 PM
I want an immediate recount no matter what the poll shows! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

buzzsaw1939
10-08-2007, 02:08 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

joeap
10-08-2007, 03:04 PM
75% off 25% on.

Platypus_1.JaVA
10-08-2007, 03:31 PM
Offline 100%, mostly user made campaigns. Altough it is funny to ask this on the internet if you come to think of it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I was a pretty big onliner too, but I started to dislike the DF servers with arcade settings and I thought it was a waste of time to wait an hour or so for any good online war mission to start. In that hour, I can fly one or two beautifull offline missions and get more enjoyment out of the game.

crucislancer
10-08-2007, 03:53 PM
90% offline/10% online is the closest available for me. Actually, I haven't played online in about a month, but that may change soon. I got into a long period of frustration with online play, not to mention I have a ton of offline campaigns that I wanted to try. I think I might start alternating between online/offline every other time I get a chance to play.

-HH-Quazi
10-08-2007, 04:20 PM
100% online with the exception of running the occasional BD track in testing new setups. Just isn't any challenge in dealing with the AI.

R_Target
10-08-2007, 04:32 PM
Haven't played against humans since FB days. Not by choice though-I live in the boonies and satellite internet ping is 800-1600 on a good day.

redwolf_726
10-08-2007, 04:45 PM
100% offline for me...but I can repect the onliners.
...the poll also isn't a random unbiased sample of the population, and if anything, due to the nature of the polling (being on an online site), you are going to get a slight to moderate overrepresentation of online respondents.

SeaFireLIV
10-08-2007, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by redwolf_726:
100% offline for me...but I can repect the onliners.
...the poll also isn't a random unbiased sample of the population, and if anything, due to the nature of the polling (being on an online site), you are going to get a slight to moderate overrepresentation of online respondents.

Now this I like. An offliner posting to make his vote with his first post! S! first Poster. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


man, it`s THIS kind of thing that should make Oleg situp and listen!

bigbossmalone
10-08-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
Just isn't any challenge in dealing with the AI.
I beg to differ, Quazi.
The challenge lies in getting them to do what they SHOULD be doing!
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DKoor
10-08-2007, 05:55 PM
50/50 that was.....when I flew extensively.
Perhaps more online. I can't remember.
I had my periods.

Nowadays it's some 10% offline......and the rest goes to some weird stuff like testing etc.
I haven't been online in around 2 months or even more.

JadehawkII
10-08-2007, 05:55 PM
100% Offline here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Mainly because I don't have time for online stuff. I make skins, templates and now profiles and Pin-ups too. So that leaves me ZIP time for online. Offline or online, does not matter to me anyway as I have done both.

Right now I'm smack dap in the middle of making a Re 2005 Sagittario profile which I hope to sell someday. Then it's a B-24H and after that, Ki-61, Ki-100 profiles.
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mortoma
10-08-2007, 06:01 PM
If they could come up with a way ( which is impossible ) to fix lag/warping problems, I'd fly online a huge bunch more than I do. Coops can be fun if you want to sit there chatting with a bunch of dopeheads for an hour as the coops start to fill up. That long waiting usually turns me off too. But since I'm intolerant of both problems, my flying is mostly offline.

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-08-2007, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
I want an immediate recount no matter what the poll shows! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I live in Florida. You don't want me to count them...be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
10-09-2007, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I want an immediate recount no matter what the poll shows! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I live in Florida. You don't want me to count them...be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sdcruz
10-09-2007, 04:36 AM
100% off line and absolutely fun!! what a sim this is!! Thanks Oleg!

MrMojok
10-09-2007, 12:21 PM
Can somebody make a pie graph or something out of these poll results?

http://members.cox.net/f1dude/IL2Stuff/cm2front.jpg

Billy_BigBoy
10-09-2007, 01:03 PM
20% online, 10% offline
Ohh, and 70% on this board.

LEBillfish
10-09-2007, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by Billy_BigBoy:
20% online, 10% offline
Ohh, and 70% on this board.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif ohhh...that's so sad, i'm sorry.

Doolittle81
10-09-2007, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by MrMojok:
Can somebody make a pie graph or something out of these poll results?


Not a pie chart, but a synopsis:
As of today, 53% of poll responders indicate that they spend 75% or more of their time OFFline.

Only 41% indicate that they spend 75% or more of their time ONline.


Also, 27% of responders spend 100% of their time OFFline
Only 23% of respondents spend 100% ONline.

We win!!!! (Offliners Rule)

Just kidding! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Stew278
10-09-2007, 01:42 PM
Got chart

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/jbstew278/il2chart.jpg

han freak solo
10-09-2007, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Billy_BigBoy:
20% online, 10% offline
Ohh, and 70% on this board.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif ohhh...that's so sad, i'm sorry. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sad, just life.

Even though this wasn't directed at me, I'm 30% offline and 70% on the forum just because of travel for work. I can't take my "flyin' " equipment with me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Billy_BigBoy
10-09-2007, 03:18 PM
That's exactly what I meant HFS. Most of the time I only have a couple of minutes to do something else than work, kids or other hobbies. The only option that remains is the a look at this forum.

And 20%+10%+70% = 2 hours a week for me at the moment.

Doolittle81
10-09-2007, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Stew278:
Got chart

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/jbstew278/il2chart.jpg

Beautiful Pie...Says it all! Worth showing twice.

mortoma
10-09-2007, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
100% online with the exception of running the occasional BD track in testing new setups. Just isn't any challenge in dealing with the AI. I'd rather deal with the lack of challenge of AI then with the lagging, warping and aircraft floating like a butterfly, like you see online. But whatever flips your burger or floats yer boat!! Not to mention the hours waiting until there are enough people to join a coop mission. This is not my idea of fun. Can be some fun once the coop mission starts, barring the aforementioned problems or warping and the like.

knightflyte
10-09-2007, 08:29 PM
Oh poop. I goofed. Musta been a dangling chad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

100% offline.


I've been online, but it wouldn't make a dent in how much in the percentage of offline I fly.

I fly with minimal icons. (distance markers) I can't see the lil' dots well enough for it to be fun while on line. Once in a while I'll spot something, but that's so rare. More often than not I get shot down without even seeing what hit me.

-HH-Quazi
10-09-2007, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
100% online with the exception of running the occasional BD track in testing new setups. Just isn't any challenge in dealing with the AI. I'd rather deal with the lack of challenge of AI then with the lagging, warping and aircraft floating like a butterfly, like you see online. But whatever flips your burger or floats yer boat!! Not to mention the hours waiting until there are enough people to join a coop mission. This is not my idea of fun. Can be some fun once the coop mission starts, barring the aforementioned problems or warping and the like. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Understand but it isn't that way when you are in a squad and have flight times planned out. I hardly ever fly on HL. And the K9 Squadrons generally have something going on 5 days out of 7. And we have several m8s on dial up. There is the occasional lag but not enough to even make it a topic of conversation. Every one that may host a flight session for us has broadband & a stout rig. Sometimes we fly coops. Sometimes we fly a dynamic campaign such as SEOW against other squads. I guess what I enjoy most is the comraderie. I can be just as happy just hanging out and never plugging in my stick to fly.

If I had to wait for someone to crank a coop up on HL, or if I experienced alot of lag whenever I do get connected, I would probably settle on being an offline player.

AKA_TAGERT
10-09-2007, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Stew278:
Got chart

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/jbstew278/il2chart.jpg NICE!

DKoor
10-09-2007, 10:24 PM
That's a lot cold/blue colors there.

BadA1m
10-09-2007, 11:10 PM
I'm with me mate Quazi here. If you find a squad that matches your temperment, you'll have so much fun that playing offline just seems like a waste of time. Also, there are lots of different servers on hyperlobby. I can be found on Zekes v Wildcats mostly, but it's sister Spits v 109's is just as good. The full switch objectives based action suits me fine and they're hosted on powerful commercial servers so there is rarely any lag. Warclouds, Historia, and others are similar but with different settings, and all generally have a good crew.

MrMojok
10-11-2007, 01:39 PM
Sorry I missed it when it was first posted, but thanks for the chart, Stew. Very nice.

sdcruz
10-12-2007, 01:55 AM
i cannot get over how much fun im having offline!

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-12-2007, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by sdcruz:
i cannot get over how much fun im having offline!

But you had to come online to tell us... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

msalama
10-12-2007, 08:05 AM
Well it's roughly 50% / 50% for me. Most weekday evenings I'm tinkering w/ the FMB w/ a goal of finally succeeding in making a good mission one of these days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif and during weekends it's flying AW with my mates.

So a bit of both really!

Ken_Det
10-12-2007, 01:30 PM
After getting DSL its been 100% online full real http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stathem
10-12-2007, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Billy_BigBoy:
That's exactly what I meant HFS. Most of the time I only have a couple of minutes to do something else than work, kids or other hobbies. The only option that remains is the a look at this forum.

And 20%+10%+70% = 2 hours a week for me at the moment.

+1, same boat here.

sakai2005
10-12-2007, 01:37 PM
online with friends in coops 90 percent ten percent getting wiped by ai with xray vision offline.

Bearcat99
12-24-2007, 03:59 PM
This poll needs a bump..

buzzsaw1939
12-24-2007, 04:17 PM
Howcome BC? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

DuxCorvan
12-24-2007, 04:20 PM
I started 60% online-40% offline. I went 100% offline because of the lack of time and the attitude of some guys.

Yet, I don't approve you-know-what.

slipBall
12-24-2007, 04:41 PM
Mostly off-line, the main reason has always been time contraints....but there is nothing like on-line, for a real adrenaline rush http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

mortoma
12-24-2007, 06:38 PM
I really would say I'm about 97% offline and 3 % online. Right now 100% offline because I can only get online with my laptop. When able to go online, I only do so just because I get a wild hair up my &$@%& every now and then and wish to do something different.

Why I don't like online so much:
1. It's boring waiting around for hours to join a coop.
2. DF servers are even more boring.
3. Unrealistic due to lag and timing issues, which cause strange effects.
4. Many people online are whiney babies.
5. I like to fly with the switches the way I like them, not what others dictate on their servers.

Why I like offline:
1. Smooth as glass gameplay due to no lag.
2. Can fly whenever I want to, not when others are ready to.
3. I have just as much fun blasting AI as I do humans.
4. Human pilots online are usually no better that AI. Many times it's easier to get a kill online than AI offline because the real people you can oftentimes sneak up on. Whereas the AI always magically see you no matter what.

mortoma
12-24-2007, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
p.s.....can someone check please to make sure the offliners are not modding the poll results...

Thank you... Why would the offliner be more zealously inclined to mod the poll results than onliners?? It seems if offliners would have incentive to do so for whatever reason, then the onliners would be equally inclined to do this. Unless you are trying to infer that offliners are somehow more dishonest and prone to mischief than onliners are. That simply does not wash, I'm afraid.

Bearcat99
12-24-2007, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Howcome BC? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

How come NOT?

164 responses... 57 posts.. 1950 views.... So the responders are almost 10% of the people who looked at it.. and didn't even bother to post....

crucislancer
12-24-2007, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
I really would say I'm about 97% offline and 3 % online. Right now 100% offline because I can only get online with my laptop. When able to go online, I only do so just because I get a wild hair up my &$@%& every now and then and wish to do something different.

Why I don't like online so much:
1. It's boring waiting around for hours to join a coop.
2. DF servers are even more boring.
3. Unrealistic due to lag and timing issues, which cause strange effects.
4. Many people online are whiney babies.
5. I like to fly with the switches the way I like them, not what others dictate on their servers.

Why I like offline:
1. Smooth as glass gameplay due to no lag.
2. Can fly whenever I want to, not when others are ready to.
3. I have just as much fun blasting AI as I do humans.
4. Human pilots online are usually no better that AI. Many times it's easier to get a kill online than AI offline because the real people you can oftentimes sneak up on. Whereas the AI always magically see you no matter what.

Lately I've had a bit of time, thanks to a week of vacation with nowhere to go, to play online a bit more then I normally would. Some of the reasons you mentioned above have frustrated me as well, particularly 3. Nothing more frustrating then to get an advantage on someone, only to have them warp out of the way at the last second. Actually, Even more frustrating is kill stealing. Drives me nuts, especially when I'm chewing up an opponent, and he's obviously on the ropes, and one of my "teammates" butts in front of me to finish him off. Stuff like that usually keeps me away from online for a while.

I still have a blast offline, though, for much the same reasons you do. Still 90% off/10% on for now.

BSS_Sniper
12-24-2007, 07:28 PM
100% online. Full switch DF servers, scorched earth and occasionally coops. The AI is just way too easy to shoot down. To each his own, but I find offline boring and is missing the human element. Using TS and coordinating flights in real time is what I like.

R_Target
12-24-2007, 07:35 PM
100% offline for the last couple years, and it'll continue that way until I can get landline broadband out in the sticks here where I live. Satellite bandwidth is good, but ping is 500-2000 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif.

leitmotiv
12-25-2007, 01:07 AM
Online 100% as "The God of War." Kill/loss ratio:
1000-0. Favorite airplane: playing with the P-51 as a Blackburn Skua in 1940 servers.

slipBall
12-25-2007, 03:10 AM
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/recount.jpg


Knoc it off!

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ViktorViktor
12-25-2007, 03:34 AM
Up until May I flew 100% offline (3 years). Then I tried online to see what all the hoopla was about.

After 1 week I was a convert to online. (Took me that long to find a server that suited me.)

It now bothers me a great deal knowing that if I fly an offline campaign, the AI planes are going to perform unrealistically well (for example, AI La-5s always seem to perform like human-flown La-5FNs, Spitfire MkVBs perform like human flown MkIXes - you know what I mean.) And that I know what the AI will do in a given situation.

han freak solo
12-25-2007, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
164 responses... 57 posts.. 1950 views.... So the responders are almost 10% of the people who looked at it.. and didn't even bother to post....

It's good to get the poll back in the limelight, but if 164 people revisited this thread about 12 times each you would have a ton of views.

Viking-S
12-25-2007, 11:13 AM
Of the 22 posters that have stated their preferences so far we have 1075% online and 1085 offline (just adding %), about 50-50%. Makes you think of the worldwide usage of this simulation as we now exclusively ask on the internet. I would assume that the figures 97% offline and 3% online still are valid.

Regards

Viking

Phil_K
12-25-2007, 12:00 PM
100% Offline.

I just don't want to become one of those people who rage about the Spitfire IX being 5 mph faster than the Bf109G-10 at 2000m when the charts say it should be 3 mph slower etc. etc. ad-frigging-nauseum.

Bearcat99
12-25-2007, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
164 responses... 57 posts.. 1950 views.... So the responders are almost 10% of the people who looked at it.. and didn't even bother to post....

It's good to get the poll back in the limelight, but if 164 people revisited this thread about 12 times each you would have a ton of views. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah that's true.. I didn't think of that..

buzzsaw1939
12-25-2007, 01:30 PM
MMMM... Now that you mention it, sense yesterday I've been in here at least 10 times! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

F0_Dark_P
12-25-2007, 01:34 PM
100% Offline.

gregpeters
12-25-2007, 04:56 PM
99% offline.
I expect on-line could be fantastic - but I get pinged due to old machine/slow connection.
However, my brief experience of on-line suggest it is not without its own problems. Too many cowboys flying B29s as dive bombers, or top-guns flying uber fighters only, which tends to imbalance the scenario.
I go for the ****-planes to try & balance things - snowball's chance, even if I could fly! But in my Fiat G-50, I did once manage to shoot down one enemy fighter! Then retired in glory (posthumously).

Loco-S
12-25-2007, 06:48 PM
inline baby...he he he

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/rta96c_crank.jpg

Sillius_Sodus
12-25-2007, 07:31 PM
100% Offline.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

buzzsaw1939
12-25-2007, 08:07 PM
Ok... Whats going on here?.. Sillius post dosen't show up unless I click on his name, never seen that before! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

buzzsaw1939
12-25-2007, 08:09 PM
Oh sure... now it shows up! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Merry Christmas buddy!

The190Flyer
12-25-2007, 09:59 PM
Almost 100% online, nothing beats realism like flying online trying to down another virtual pilot!

Sillius_Sodus
12-26-2007, 10:48 AM
Back at you Buzzsaw!

Sillius http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

han freak solo
12-26-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Loco-S:
inline baby...he he he

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/rta96c_crank.jpg

You inliners kill it for everybody. (So friggin' small . . .)



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Bearcat99
12-28-2007, 06:32 AM
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albertafox
12-28-2007, 11:29 AM
I am new to the game. Picked it up a couple months ago and have been slowly learning.

Tried online play with hyperlobby the other day and it is very disappointing for a newcomer.

I was not expecting to shoot down anything that came into my view, I was expecting to be shot down a lot. No issue with me, but..

I did not figure I would be constantly being shot while "trying" to take off, if it happened that I got airborn I ended up flying for 5+ min with nothing to do but trim my plane then get shot down in one to two bursts of someones guns.

Now I have no problems dieing, crashing, spinning... but I do have a problem with spawning back at the airfield and being turkey shot over and over, or doing the 3+min flight back to the 30seconds of combat.

There seems to be no objective, except try and find someone before they find you(waited 20min for a co-op mission and got bored, left) ? No capture and hold certain air space, no flying starts(I find it boring to play learn to take off under gun fire the whole online time), Some players have a massive attitude problem with new players that does not make it friendly to even join the "game". Fairness is another thing, Does anyone expect someone flying with a joystick and keyboard to be as proficient as someone with trim levers, macro programs to set multi trims with a touch of one button, TrackIR, sliders... I know this for a fact since my buddies all play with joystick and k/b while I went and bought a x52pro, throttle quadrent, trackIR and they cannot perform the "NEEDED" function as quick or easy.

I have got three of my buddies to buy IL-1946 DVD, they all love the game but they have all dropped it in a matter of a month do to there being a steep learning curve, with no quick reset/spawn to get back into the fray(off or online)

Maybe we are spoiled by FPS games which gives the user a sense of not being a complete cripple when up against other better players, since the newbie will get a few kills no matter what. It just does not seem possible for newbies to jump into this game with out 100% commitment to hours of reading, tweaking controls, learning basic to advanced flight models, tactics... Very overwhelming for most people who just want to "play a game to have fun" not to simulate "simulated flight" that has its own game play issues(like having to trimming prop pitch on planes that should not have it)

I hope they do something better with online play with SoW. Placing some classes like scout, air fighter, ground attack, bomber would help new people choose something to suit there skill level and/or playing style. Adding random spawning air control points that have counters that go up depending on the amount of each team is in the area, give each class a objective/mission that it has to be performed to win, ie killing 20 fighters will not win the match, bombing site a-d, ground attacking tank convoy, scouting enemy base, dropping troops, supplies....Just like many FPS games with objective based game play.

Bearcat99
12-28-2007, 11:50 AM
fox try coops... coops are in my opinion te best way to really enjoy this sim. I don,t do DFs for the reasons you mentioned... Coops are much more engaging. There is a mission, you usually get a mix of AI & live opponents depending on the coop... and the cooperation (hence the name.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) is much much better, although you still may get your shoulder shooters and point w#ores. Feel free to jump into a 99th coop if yoyu see one on HL... just mke sure that you have your controls configured properly per the Nugget's Guide in my sig. There is not much that is more frustrating than running a coop and having some guy in front of you who either cant get his wings unfolded, chocks un done or seperate engines started because he has no clue where the controls are set... Don't give up on the sim and don't let DF (DogFight) servers define the sim.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

crucislancer
12-28-2007, 12:15 PM
Albertafox,

To add to Bearcat's post, you might try running some co-ops with your friends. There are quite a few co-op missions that came with IL-2 1946, and there are plenty to download as well. Also, if you are into dynamic campaigns, there are several for co-ops. Should be just a matter of picking someone to host and vola!.

Yeah, dogfight servers are a hit and miss. If you just want to blow stuff up, they aren't bad. There are a few that have mission objectives, like the UK Dedicated servers, and most folks who fly on those servers will follow the mission briefing. And yeah, you will encounter the occasional meathead who doesn't follow the server rules, but the best thing to do is either find another airfield to take off from, or another server. There are times when I'll hop online and play with a great group of people that follow the rules and have great attitudes, other times it will be like I walked into my daughter's pre-school.

Don't give up! Once you get the hang of this game, it will be very rewarding.

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-28-2007, 12:59 PM
The learning part of it is mostly in the first few hours/encounters/sorties. If you jump online without a good understanding of your aircraft, a wingman or no TeamSpeak, you should fully expect to get shot down with relative impunity.

Get/install TeamSpeak and shadow someone else for awhile. Communications and teamwork will win the day. Also, most servers are scripted these days and thus have both ground and air objectives to "win" the map. You may even make a few friends in the process.

Stick with it though...it's worth it.



TB

Hoatee
12-28-2007, 02:18 PM
Been offline for quite sometime now - forgot when online how asocial I was IRL

albertafox
12-28-2007, 04:31 PM
I am not giving up, spent way to much money/time on controls, trackir, built a simpit.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I would just like to get people I know to keep flying, not get discouraged because they are not progressing. It seemed to me they all hit a brick wall at the same time and skill level. There was nothing to umm, lets say reward them or punish them for anything.

I will try some Coop missions. How long does one have to wait to play them though ? I did try one and waited for it to start and got bored waiting. Not sure how long one is supposed to stand in line, but unfortunately, I am not a good socialist/communist, lol.

My buddies don't play anymore. The game I think basically turned them off because of the time investment to even fly straight let alone shoot someone. They want to play for fun, not simulated fun as one said to me. Each there own, but I do agree with them to some degree, that it is not the type of game someone can jump in and play online, as people and the game demand you know what to do before hand, yet there is little to no training in the offline part, to help my friends learn.
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"The learning part of it is mostly in the first few hours/encounters/sorties. If you jump online without a good understanding of your aircraft, a wingman or no TeamSpeak, you should fully expect to get shot down with relative impunity."

Understood from the get go(I have played pc and online games for 19yrs). But the single player part of the game is completely lacking in training anyone without them first having a very good knowledge about flight and combat to begin with. So where do my friends or anyone new begin without dropping 20hrs a week into searching then trying to learning "outside the game"?

Thank you greatly for your replies and help.

Bearcat99
12-28-2007, 09:43 PM
That is something you will find often.. the friends thing.. this sim isn't for everyone, but more than worth the effort to at least become proficient at for anyone who cares to do the work.

As for coops.. well coops will usually launch when the room fills..when all the name slots are filled with people.. ten the host launches. You will have to develope a bit of patience with this whole thing.. if you are used to the instant gratification on the spot in the thick of things then I am afraid this sim isnt for you.. either that or go to the yank and bank anything goes DF servers... other wise develope a thick skin, groom your patience, practice.. and be prepared for a little frustration.... but as I said.. the rewards are worth it.. You could also consider joining a squad.. but that is no panacea since the whole squad thing involves people... andf personalities.. and compatibilities... I have been blessed with a core group of guys who love the sim and enjoy each others company, even though many of us just cannot be online every night...... and many have fallen away and moved on in the 6 years that the 99th has been active in this sim, so.. choose carefully. It all has to fit.