View Full Version : its all about the planes

06-02-2006, 09:16 AM
Ok sorry to hog the board - this my second post in two days... yikes. Last one for a while, promise!

Many of you will have picked up IL-2 and the subsequent add-ons because they already had knowledge of many of the historic planes and pivotal battles. Unfortunately, I am just a flight simmer and have little background understanding of the planes and their historical place.

Now history is as big a domain as you want it to be, and I appreciate there are a buhullion books to read on the subject.. but... I was wondering whether anyone could recommend a summary book/ website that might provide me with a concise guide to many of the planes featured in IL2/FB/AE/PF?

Sorry if this seems fatuous to some!!

Cheers in advance,


Advice to WWII RAF pilots: "if a prang (crash) seems inevitable, endevour to strike the softest, cheapest object in the vicinity as slowly and gently as possible"

06-02-2006, 09:40 AM
Glad you asked.

airwarfare.com has a lot of useful items at its site and one of them happens to be the "Aircraft Reference Guide" for il2pf in .pdf format. I have it printed and always on hand.


06-02-2006, 09:51 AM
The "Osprey Aircraft of the Aces" series is a great place to start. If you find a plane you like, you can pick up one on that plane and read all you want to know about it. I started with P-47s. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

There are also good general references available in the bargain sections at most of the big book stores.

You can also go under "View Objects" and "planes" in game and Oleg has given you a brief history & spec chart on most of the major plane types.

Oh BTW, don't worry about "hogging the boards", one day you might have 1000+ posts too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

06-02-2006, 10:05 AM
If you live in Britain go to a 'The Works' (or Works?) bookshop. They usually have bargain books on aircraft. I've picked up several (very many actually) aircraft encyclopedias etc. from there. They even do more specialized aircraft books...I picked up one on the Hurricane and another on the 109 a few months ago (for about 5 pound each). They only usually stock a few titles at a time, and change these every few months, so it's worth paying them regular visits. I think that they buy up surplus stock - so their books are cheap (but good quality).
They usually have the larger type of illustrated book.

06-02-2006, 10:06 AM
Good pointer Stele http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif - a real mine of info ain't it?

@tcar. You can fill in a lot of historical detail using Google and some well-aimed questions. Even one like WW2 + Russia + aircraft would pull up plenty of links to info. Substiture 'Russia' for any other theatre of operations that interests you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Another, more fun way of learning about the history is by flying some of the hundreds of user-made campaigns and single missions that are available 'out there'. You'll find that many of them are based on historical situations, often richly described by the authors. Scenarios do have to be shaved and re-modelled within the limitations of the sim...but running a good campaign...and Googling about for period info (while waiting for the erks to turn your plane around http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) ...this can be a delightful way to absorb the information. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I won't try to name all the great mission writers here. I would forget someone and I don't want to do that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif I suggest dropping in to the Mission Builder forum and asking around.

They're a nice crowd and don't bite - not until they have you launching from the deck of a Japanese cruiser in a snowstorm ....or scrambling to face an incoming attack by Sturmoviks or Stukas.

I usually end up Googling - if only to find out more about the country I just nose-dived into! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Have fun...


06-02-2006, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by tcar_101:
Ok sorry to hog the board - this my second post in two days... yikes. Last one for a while, promise! There is no limit on how many times you can post in a day, nor any etiquette violation by doing this. I can post far more posts in one day, some people far more.

If you are talking about a more than one "thread" that you may start in a day, then maybe two would be enough.

But a just a post, as opposed to starting entire new thread, are two different things.

06-03-2006, 05:48 AM
Four posts in four years!
Steady on a bit. No need to get carried away. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

06-05-2006, 06:33 AM
Hey thanks for the info you lot!

The guide Stele referred to was exactly what I was after but I also picked up a couple of books that setback recommended. Nice one!

Cheers then,


06-05-2006, 03:22 PM
You might also want to hit the Sturmovik Essentials link in my sig and scroll down to Essential Reading...... and also check ourt Harball's Aircraft Viewer at AW.C... a great tool...

06-05-2006, 06:07 PM
Wikipedia and Google are surprisingly good places to start when you want to start learning about various aircraft types.

For instance:

I would really just start plugging away like that and then look for a good (and large) summary book that you can almost always find in a large Coles or Chapters or Indigo or another bookstore chain and go from there. There's lots of good info online that you don't always find in books and vice versa. The trouble with books (and online sometimes) is that the same mistakes keep getting passed around (Spitfire ones such as the LF designation indicating clipped wings is one such example of a serious error passed around the average book and website) but they do give you a solid base to work from.

This is a hobby like any other...reading about it is good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif