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Huxley_S
05-08-2007, 12:55 PM
I just picked up a mint condition MS FFB2 Red Edition joystick on eBay. I paid top dollar for it but it is worth every penny.

I've been struggling with a Logitech Force 3D for a few months and what everyone says is true, the performance and precision of that stick goes downhill very fast. Before that a had a Saitek Force stick that lasted a long time and stayed fairly precise until the trigger finally snapped off.

The MS FFB2 is by far the best stick I've ever owned. It is so precise that I currently have all the sliders at near 100% in the Joystick setup. No need for deadzones, filtering or response curves, although I probably will tweak the settings as I get more used to it.

The variable centering force takes a bit of getting used to, with spring tension loosening at low speeds and tightening up at high speeds... but it feels realistic.

I'm using Blade's medium force feedback effects which give just the right amount of haptic force without throwing you off aim.

At 5lbs it has a good weight and is extremely solidly made, ergonomically it's near-perfect.

Why on Earth did Microsoft stop making these things?

In short... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

sparrow420
05-08-2007, 01:35 PM
"Why on Earth did Microsoft stop making these things?"

It probably didn't fit in their product portfolio... And when the board made a decision to make it more consistent it was either: get rid of the bad stuff or keep the good stuff. The good stuff lost (less jobs in the line of fire) and so we're going to be stuck with the ultimate form of Window(s)dressing, well, at least in a year or two...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bartsimpson-
05-08-2007, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Huxley_S:
I just picked up a mint condition MS FFB2 Red Edition joystick on eBay. I paid top dollar for it but it is worth every penny.

I've been struggling with a Logitech Force 3D for a few months and what everyone says is true, the performance and precision of that stick goes downhill very fast. Before that a had a Saitek Force stick that lasted a long time and stayed fairly precise until the trigger finally snapped off.

The MS FFB2 is by far the best stick I've ever owned. It is so precise that I currently have all the sliders at near 100% in the Joystick setup. No need for deadzones, filtering or response curves, although I probably will tweak the settings as I get more used to it.

The variable centering force takes a bit of getting used to, with spring tension loosening at low speeds and tightening up at high speeds... but it feels realistic.

I'm using Blade's medium force feedback effects which give just the right amount of haptic force without throwing you off aim.

At 5lbs it has a good weight and is extremely solidly made, ergonomically it's near-perfect.

Why on Earth did Microsoft stop making these things?

In short... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

let me know those blade feedback settings if you could , i have 2 msfb's one's locked up i'm trying to fix , the one i'm useing now neeeds tightning up maybe it mite help me out aslo have you got software ? i have sofware but can't install it with xpsp2 apparently it's uncompatible .

Bartman .

T_O_A_D
05-08-2007, 02:10 PM
Super Buy, its the best I've ever had.

I bought one new red button and couldn't get it to work, so I took it back, I later found out it ws the USB on that mobo, weird it would work with logy and saitek but not the micro stick.
I tried even my friends micro no luck.

Later I ended up with PC upgrades and got ahold of a used one, not red button, but I'll never let it go regardless.

Sure wish I'd of took the RED one and stored it away, in hind sight.

Xiolablu3
05-08-2007, 02:12 PM
I love my Microsoft FOrce Feedback Pro

http://www.joy-stick.net/images/ff.GIF

Both the Pro and the FFB2 just look and feel so perfect in your hand. I never spin out in planes anymore from pulling too hard in a turn, I can 'feel' the plane.

Why another manufacturer cannot make something so perfect and ergonomic I have no idea. They comeup with all these wierd and wonderful designs when there is simply no need!

Come on joystick makers, forget your fancy designs - Microsoft has already come up with the perfect design for a joystick, why dont you roughly copy it and make them yourselves?!?

http://www.businessweek.com/1997/50/art50/bw5045.jpg


FFB Pro and FFB2, Both are fantastic sticks.

Look at the perfection of the above pics and then compare them to soemthing like this?!?!

http://www.guru3d.com/admin/imageview.php?image=1444

I mean WTF?

Huxley_S
05-08-2007, 02:22 PM
I installed the Sidewinder Game Controller Software version 4.0 but it doesn't work properly (it crashes on the key mapping tab) and I'm not sure whether it has any effect at all on the joystick or not.

Blade's FFB effects can be found on this page...

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=323

thefruitbat
05-08-2007, 02:26 PM
Another massive fan here as well. I've tried other sticks and am dreading the day it gives up.

Best thing i ever did was map button 8 as the shift key, giving every other button a second feature. Actually buying track ir was the best thing, but this was second. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

cheers fruitbat

T_O_A_D
05-08-2007, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Huxley_S:
I installed the Sidewinder Game Controller Software version 4.0 but it doesn't work properly (it crashes on the key mapping tab) and I'm not sure whether it has any effect at all on the joystick or not.

Blade's FFB effects can be found on this page...

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=323


To make the button mapping work, you have to install the software, while in safe mode.
It has something to do with service pack two and windows XP.

I personaly don't use the software, I just set the buttons via the game, and use my X-45 and its profiler to make the throttle do its magic, and the X-45 stick is nothing more than a button bay.

I also have Ch pedals and use the twisty rudder for rudder trim, it works miracles for level bombing.

Bearcat has a simuliar setup but even more advanced.

Xiolablu3
05-08-2007, 02:35 PM
Has anyone here owned a Force Feedback Pro AND a Force Feedback 2?

I just wondered if there were any benefits of the FFB2 over the FFBPro besides the USB cable>?
Like is the Force Feedback any better on the '2'?

Thanks

If anyone needs any tips on how to get your MS FFB Pro gameport working in WinXP then give me a shout here or in a PM.

At the most it will cost you around 2-3 for a Soundblaster Live with gameport off Ebay.

leitmotiv
05-08-2007, 02:56 PM
All of the above true. I bought a stash of FFB2s last year which I hope will hold out until Msoft resumes making them. I have tried all the other FF sticks. There is no comparison---none at all. Flying with any other stick FF or otherwise is a joke. I thought the stories about FFB2 sticks were hype and simming mythology until I tried one.

Aaron_GT
05-08-2007, 02:56 PM
Someone ought to buy up the jigs and so on for manufacturing these things and make them again. I think they would sell very well.

AKA_TAGERT
05-08-2007, 02:58 PM
MSFFB2 is the best stick ever made.. I have one in operation.. one for parts.. and two in the box waiting.. Thus I am G2G for years to come.

Daiichidoku
05-08-2007, 03:06 PM
my second msswpp2 from 01 still kicks....little loose now though

so i use my msswpp1....

i will quit flyign sims when i cannot use mssw series anymore

think ill have to buy me a fresh one via e-bay

maybe make the move to FF this time

stalkervision
05-08-2007, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Huxley_S:
I just picked up a mint condition MS FFB2 Red Edition joystick on eBay. I paid top dollar for it but it is worth every penny.

I've been struggling with a Logitech Force 3D for a few months and what everyone says is true, the performance and precision of that stick goes downhill very fast. Before that a had a Saitek Force stick that lasted a long time and stayed fairly precise until the trigger finally snapped off.

The MS FFB2 is by far the best stick I've ever owned. It is so precise that I currently have all the sliders at near 100% in the Joystick setup. No need for deadzones, filtering or response curves, although I probably will tweak the settings as I get more used to it.

The variable centering force takes a bit of getting used to, with spring tension loosening at low speeds and tightening up at high speeds... but it feels realistic.

I'm using Blade's medium force feedback effects which give just the right amount of haptic force without throwing you off aim.

At 5lbs it has a good weight and is extremely solidly made, ergonomically it's near-perfect.

Why on Earth did Microsoft stop making these things?

In short... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


Yup all absolutely true. You lucky F-er http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I have a old "serial port" edition that I can't get working for anything anymore because it is not supported whatsoever.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
05-08-2007, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Has anyone here owned a Force Feedback Pro AND a Force Feedback 2?

I just wondered if there were any benefits of the FFB2 over the FFBPro besides the USB cable>?
Like is the Force Feedback any better on the '2'?

Thanks

If anyone needs any tips on how to get your MS FFB Pro gameport working in WinXP then give me a shout here or in a PM.

At the most it will cost you around 2-3 for a Soundblaster Live with gameport off Ebay.


I will have to try this out.. FF1 was absoutely great when i used it. Built like a tank too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Daiichidoku
05-08-2007, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
I have a old "serial port" edition that I can't get working for anything anymore because it is not supported whatsoever.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

my mspp1 is the same, but i have a USB adapter on mine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

get one, brother

stalkervision
05-08-2007, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I love my Microsoft FOrce Feedback Pro

http://www.joy-stick.net/images/ff.GIF

Both the Pro and the FFB2 just look and feel so perfect in your hand. I never spin out in planes anymore from pulling too hard in a turn, I can 'feel' the plane.

Why another manufacturer cannot make something so perfect and ergonomic I have no idea. They comeup with all these wierd and wonderful designs when there is simply no need!

Come on joystick makers, forget your fancy designs - Microsoft has already come up with the perfect design for a joystick, why dont you roughly copy it and make them yourselves?!?

http://www.businessweek.com/1997/50/art50/bw5045.jpg


FFB Pro and FFB2, Both are fantastic sticks.

Look at the perfection of the above pics and then compare them to soemthing like this?!?!

http://www.guru3d.com/admin/imageview.php?image=1444

I mean WTF?


Yup WTF! I remember NOT BUYING another FF stick from Microsoft because I figured they would just keep making and improving them.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

slipBall
05-08-2007, 03:39 PM
anybody what to buy a new red one?... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Blood_Splat
05-08-2007, 03:41 PM
I miss her... RIP my beloved joystick.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

striker-85
05-08-2007, 03:42 PM
I started using the MS FFB2 about four months ago. It is the best stick I have ever used!

I was pretty much using CH sticks until I tried this. At one point I had a Logitech FF but it was so problematic for me that I switched to CH and was very reluctant to try another FF stick.

I love that it doesn't have detents. My last CH stick was getting sloppy and it was hard to keep the piper on target and the detents clicking away as I move it drove me nuts.

I like that the FF gives a very nice realistic touch with a varying force depending on your maneuver.

Huxley_S
05-08-2007, 03:49 PM
To make the button mapping work, you have to install the software, while in safe mode.

Ah cool. I got it to work running in safe mode. I've now got a macro on the hat switch for zooming the FOV. Very handy!

crazyivan1970
05-08-2007, 04:13 PM
I am with Huxley 100%
I purchased brand new MS FFB2 red button one last year for 180 USD on e-bay. I didnt really needed it, since i already have 2 of them... i couldnt pass that offer hehe. Now i have 3 of those and that makes me feel pretty confident that i am ok as far as joysticks go for a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Absolutely the best stick ever made, at least in my book http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, i also use X45, throttle part of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GBrutus
05-08-2007, 04:13 PM
Had mine for a few months now and couldn't imagine swapping it for anything else. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

leitmotiv
05-08-2007, 04:29 PM
Now I don't feel so bad about my eBay Msoft FFB2 bender last year, crazyivan. Must have reserves. By the way, I'm crazy about T OF WAR.

DKoor
05-08-2007, 04:32 PM
Church of Sticks?
Gimme a break.... there's a lot of them outhere.
Real ones.

Huxley_S
05-08-2007, 05:57 PM
Church of Sticks?
Gimme a break.... there's a lot of them outhere.
Real ones.

Blasphemer! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Heretic! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leitmotiv
05-08-2007, 06:54 PM
On this matter, Huxley and I are shoulder to shoulder---stick Roundheads! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

EiZ0N
05-08-2007, 07:54 PM
I have a saitek FFB stick, had it for years.

Build quality is sufficient in that it hasn't broken and I have used it heavily since IL2 came out.

I love the thing.

It's also left-hand friendly. None of that right-hand only ****.
http://www.rcsimulations.com/cyborg-force.jpg

tagTaken2
05-08-2007, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Someone ought to buy up the jigs and so on for manufacturing these things and make them again. I think they would sell very well.

If this could happen... I think the technology in the sticks was developed by MS new, so I wish they'd license it to another manufacturer.
I worry about a sidewinderless future.

SeaVee
05-08-2007, 08:12 PM
Echo all the positive comments on the MSFFB2. I have 2 now. One i bought new 7-8 years ago, another one I got recently on ebay as a backup in case - god forbid - my main stick dies.

The original one is still working 100% like the day it was brand new.

ABSOLUTELY BULLET PROOF.

No other josytick comes even close.

Huxley_S
05-08-2007, 08:31 PM
http://www.onemorewild.org/joy.jpg

Maj.Kaos
05-08-2007, 09:06 PM
Thanks for the reassurance that my MS FFB Pro stick is a great stick. I've had only the one stick through the years, and so have nothing to compare with. It's been with me through several girlfriends, who have admired my stick and marveled at how adept I was with it's use. My wife has also expressed positively about it's attractive shape, its quick responsiveness, and its rugged durability going through hundreds and thousands of repetive cycles.

We've been getting old, the stick and I, and I was wondering if we're still on par with the young and the new. I've noticed my stick has lost some of its intensity, and though I have not been using it as much, my skills are veteran, but not at their peak performance.

So, thanks again, guys, for renewing my confidence that my stick is one of the best!

Chivas
05-08-2007, 09:48 PM
I have a few in the back forty. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I picked up another brand new on ebay,,,I think I paid around $250 and its worth every penny. I use it with a Cougar throttle. Its by far the most precise stick I've ever owned and I've had them all. Cougar, CH, Saitek, Logitec. Of the new sticks on the market, the closest in precision is the Saitek Aviator.

jermin122
05-09-2007, 01:34 AM
I recommend Mantis' Force Feedback effects MOD, also can be downloaded from M4T.

Bearcat99
05-09-2007, 02:04 AM
I have been using a MSFFB since 2001... I have one unopened in the closet that I bought for $49 at Best Buy when I heard they were going to be discontinued.. I also have a brand new X-45 in the same closet.... I am a big fan of the setup... Like Toad I use an X-45/MSFFB2 setup.. however I traded in my CH pedals for a set of Saiteks.... and I have to say.. IMO the Saiteks win out. Very smooth.. wider stance.. longer throw.. whats not to like. I modded my X-45 since I was using my X-45 stick as a button bay as well.. I mounted the guts of the stick onto the side of the throttle....

http://star.walagata.com/thumbs/bearcat_X-45mod.jpg (http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/X-45mod.jpg)

http://star.walagata.com/thumbs/bearcat_myrig.jpg (http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/myrig.jpg)

I used to use the twist handle of my MS stick for rudder trim... but since they changed the trim I no longer use it for hat. I now use the X pot froim the X-45 stick which is on the top of my modded X-45, the MSFFB throttle is my prop pitch.... and I have flaps on the rudder rocker of the X-45 and on the Y pot of the X-45 stick which is mounted on the left side of my throttle. I may change that though.. since I have on occasion inadvertently lowered my flaps jamming them.

Lehnert
05-09-2007, 02:13 AM
Hallo piloten,
is someone able to tell me and describe to me what is the difference between (if there is one....) a normal Sidewinder2 FFB with black buttons and
the SW2 FFB with RED BUTTONS ?

Should I looking and search with patience for a SW2 FFB with RED Buttons at eBay or so ??

Thank you very much
Gerhard

Badsight-
05-09-2007, 02:14 AM
i got a new one sitting in the cupboard

FF isnt really my kinda thing

Bearcat99
05-09-2007, 02:15 AM
The one with red buttons is the latest one... some of the ones with black buttons had issues with XP, but not all of them.

B16Enk
05-09-2007, 03:21 AM
MSFFB2..I too have a spare, best joysitck I have ever had the pleasure to use.
Combined with CH Pro pedals, Throttle and Quad and of course TiR it's a simmers dream.

Regarding the button mapping software, this thread here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/314103891?r=5881074724#5881074724) detais the work-around to get the mapping working under XP SP2.
Not all XP installs need this, it's a quirky thing, but I know that method works http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

rnzoli
05-09-2007, 04:12 AM
I completely denounce this thread. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

This "church" is the most evil conspiracy in the gaming history, aimed at ensuring that the "priviledged few" will always maintain a competitive advantage over the normal players of IL-2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Saitek, CH - we, the poor non-MSFFB users, beg you for saving us from slavery, give us a highly accurate and durable FFB stick. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

I hope to see the day when they come out with an equivalently good stick at a price of 100 USD, so that the members of this evil MSFFB society can look back into their closets and calculate the losses they made by buying up the MSFFBs in the 150-250 USD price range for spares - and of no purpose any more http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
05-09-2007, 05:15 AM
I make a motion we not let any non-microsoft ff stick owners into this thread because of their Plebian status brought on by their non=ownership of a ff microsoft stick.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

People who plan to purchase a mff stick in the near future or who show the proper respect for this heavenly gaming item may join in from time to time to sing it's praises though... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Steven190
05-09-2007, 06:20 AM
I also have several MSFFB2 and will not use anything else. I have tried others and they are not up to pare.

I have some bad news though. The joystick program controller will not work under Vista, the stick only has the default settings, but runs under the default Microsoft drivers.

So games that do not have the option to set the buttons will work some what, because it will assign the default keys from the JS to the game, there may be a conflict in some games.

The game that need to be assigned, you are out of luck.

I am staying with XP as long as I can, so I can keep the profiler and the tha ability to use the stick as I need.

crazyivan1970
05-09-2007, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by EiZ0N:
I have a saitek FFB stick, had it for years.

Build quality is sufficient in that it hasn't broken and I have used it heavily since IL2 came out.

I love the thing.

It's also left-hand friendly. None of that right-hand only ****.
http://www.rcsimulations.com/cyborg-force.jpg

I use to own one of those... 2 things i hated. Return to the center was crappy and base was too lite. Other then that - great stick.

mynameisroland
05-09-2007, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I love my Microsoft FOrce Feedback Pro

http://www.joy-stick.net/images/ff.GIF

Both the Pro and the FFB2 just look and feel so perfect in your hand. I never spin out in planes anymore from pulling too hard in a turn, I can 'feel' the plane.

Why another manufacturer cannot make something so perfect and ergonomic I have no idea. They comeup with all these wierd and wonderful designs when there is simply no need!

Come on joystick makers, forget your fancy designs - Microsoft has already come up with the perfect design for a joystick, why dont you roughly copy it and make them yourselves?!?

http://www.businessweek.com/1997/50/art50/bw5045.jpg


FFB Pro and FFB2, Both are fantastic sticks.

Look at the perfection of the above pics and then compare them to soemthing like this?!?!

http://www.guru3d.com/admin/imageview.php?image=1444

I mean WTF?

Yeh but the cruddy pos you posted at the bottom is the stick that a real ace like me uses http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cant be that bad lol

T_O_A_D
05-09-2007, 07:11 AM
In closing today, I would like to invite you up front to the Alter of Ebay and save yourselves of your torment.
We today have room for only a few, at this late hour.

Please think about this, and search your soals today before you leave.

You may not know when, or how the end will come.

You may never again get this chance to save yourself from the ending doom.

Please step forward, I invite you only this one last time, Music please.

Just as I am, without good stick,
But that Thy old one dont work for me,
And that Thou bidst me come ebay,
O Force Feed back, I come, I come.

http://search.ebay.com/microsoft-force-feedback-2_W0QQf...ceQ20feedQ20backQ202 (http://search.ebay.com/microsoft-force-feedback-2_W0QQfromZR40QQpqryZmicrosoftQ20forceQ20feedQ20ba ckQ202)

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-09-2007, 07:15 AM
I owned an original FFB Pro (non USB) and a FFB2 (USB). I liked them ok, but they were right-handed sticks and weren't as good as my CH stuff.

I sent one to a buddy in Czech Republic (hey buddy!), and the other to a friend who needed it for his Dad. I only hope they enjoy them, but I'd still encourage them to go with something with a bit more functionality and longevity. There's also the occassional anomoly of the MS sticks losing their FFB requiring the user to exit their app or jump through some other kind of hoop to get it back on.

Don't get me wrong, they were pretty good sticks, but let's not embellish them after their passing. They were what they were...nothing more.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

R.I.P.

Bearcat99
05-09-2007, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Steven190:
I also have several MSFFB2 and will not use anything else. I have tried others and they are not up to pare.

I have some bad news though. The joystick program controller will not work under Vista, the stick only has the default settings, but runs under the default Microsoft drivers.

So games that do not have the option to set the buttons will work some what, because it will assign the default keys from the JS to the game, there may be a conflict in some games.

The game that need to be assigned, you are out of luck.

I am staying with XP as long as I can, so I can keep the profiler and the tha ability to use the stick as I need.

Yes that is what this thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/1021043504/p/2) is also looking at. I hope one of the creative minds in here finds a workaround.

192nd_Erdem
05-10-2007, 05:14 AM
I have this stick(red one) for years. I've tried many sticks, but this one is still the best so far. It's just a blast flying with it in IL-2. It's a shame Microsoft is not making these anymore.

Aaron_GT
05-10-2007, 06:45 AM
I use to own one of those... 2 things i hated. Return to the center was crappy and base was too lite. Other then that - great stick.

Glue it to a lump of lead?

Divine-Wind
05-10-2007, 09:13 AM
Hehe.

One thing I love about the FFB2 is that it never flops around. The X52 stick was good, but it was so dang light it jumped around like a drunken squirrel. Plus it didn't have force feedback. If someone made a stick as solid and reliable as the FFB2 but with as many features as the X52 or Fighterstick, I'd buy that in a heartbeat. Well, maybe 2 heartbeats. I'm not that fast, after all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

My only gripe is that every FFB mod for IL-2 is so darn weak. A chicken neck has more resistance.

DooDaH2007
05-10-2007, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Hehe.

One thing I love about the FFB2 is that it never flops around. The X52 stick was good, but it was so dang light it jumped around like a drunken squirrel. Plus it didn't have force feedback. If someone made a stick as solid and reliable as the FFB2 but with as many features as the X52 or Fighterstick, I'd buy that in a heartbeat. Well, maybe 2 heartbeats. I'm not that fast, after all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

My only gripe is that every FFB mod for IL-2 is so darn weak. A chicken neck has more resistance.

I use the joysticks software to adjust the forces, but if you want to use mods and fnd them too weak, use a combination of software and mod files... You don;t have to use every file of the mod, but can just only copy the ones you want to replace...

Divine-Wind
05-10-2007, 03:11 PM
I mean the default and modded files are just plain weak.

PBNA-Boosher
05-10-2007, 03:18 PM
I don't have FFB, but I have the Sidewinder Precision 2 and have been using it for years. It's the best stick I've ever had.

EiZ0N
05-10-2007, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I use to own one of those... 2 things i hated. Return to the center was crappy and base was too lite. Other then that - great stick.

Glue it to a lump of lead? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I like a bit of honesty, and yes, it is not perfect the Saitek FFB stick.

The base IS too light. It should have sucker pads on the bottom. This is rectifiable mind.

The other criticism, return to the center. I assume you mean it doesn't spring back enough?

I also found this, although in the options there is something called "Default spring" which you can turn up to maximum, so that it springs back to centre.

Another trick is to keep the 'Default spring' in the 'Always on' setting. It reduces the force feedback effect a little, but the stick actually springs back to the center. In IL2, I found that without this 'Always on', my stick performed poorly and just flopped around (http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

So yes, it's not perfect but with tweaking, it's a great stick and one I won't replace until it breaks! Also it's left hand friendly.

RAF74_Raptor
05-18-2007, 11:27 PM
I used MSFF2 for about 5yrs then I spilled water on it and well that was the end of that


I now use CH but for the love of all it was a sweet stick best joystick ever made IMHO

woofiedog
05-19-2007, 12:33 AM
Still running after 3 1/2yr's with no problems a Sidewinder Precision 2 stick! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Someday I'd like to check out some foot peddles though for my Rig.

willyvic
05-19-2007, 02:07 AM
The absolute best stick I have ever owned. I've used my current one for the past 4 years or so. I've got a game port one laying around somewhere and intend to adapt it to usb if ever the need arises.

For those that are looking for one check out Ebay. Some of the sellers prices seem quite reasonable.

WV

Aaron_GT
05-19-2007, 03:05 AM
The Precision 2 is a good stick. I used to have one of these and was going to use it for a long-throw stick project (*) but then I encountered someone desperate for a stick so I gave it away. I don't think an FFB2 would survive in a long throw stick project with the force feedback on.

* The plan was going to be take the handle off, attach a stiff plastic tube into the stick base, extend the wiring up the tube, and then reattach the handle on the top. The base would then need to be attached to a large wooden base and my chair put on top of that to hold it down. The idea was to give a throw similar to a real joystick in a WW2 plane.

I might still do it at some point, but it's not a current priority.

Ken_Det
05-19-2007, 01:50 PM
I got my SideWinder Force Feedback 2 black button back about when they stopped makeing them, and have not had any problems with it at all.
Have not used any other sticks so I dont know what there like but I would have to say that FFB2 rocks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Some one should send this thread to MS to let them know how we feel about there sticks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Darth_Reagan
05-19-2007, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Has anyone here owned a Force Feedback Pro AND a Force Feedback 2?

I just wondered if there were any benefits of the FFB2 over the FFBPro besides the USB cable>?
Like is the Force Feedback any better on the '2'?

Thanks

If anyone needs any tips on how to get your MS FFB Pro gameport working in WinXP then give me a shout here or in a PM.

At the most it will cost you around 2-3 for a Soundblaster Live with gameport off Ebay.

Does that include getting the force feedback to work? I gave up flight sims when my old usb one broke then I got a gameport version and gave up trying to get that to work. I have a soundblaster audigy 2 with a gameport by the way.

JV44Rall
05-19-2007, 08:08 PM
A few years back, I went on a ebay buying spree when I found out FFB2 was discontinued. I got two new (one for $40) and a few more good condition - when prices started breaking $100, I quit buying. My collection is stockpiled in a secure and undisclosed location. FFB2s are the best, but I wear them out about one every two years. The hat switch wears out.

I think it was Wattila who found a source for a replacement for the hat switch. However, my soldering skills are sub-marginal. When push comes to shove, I'll have to start repairing.

JV44Rall
05-19-2007, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I am with Huxley 100%
I purchased brand new MS FFB2 red button one last year for 180 USD on e-bay. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know it sounds nuts, but I think the red button FFB2 are a little smoother and responsive than the green buttons. One of my new ones is a red button and I'm saving it for last.

codeseven7
05-21-2007, 10:04 PM
I agree, I have had several sticks over the years including CH. My MSFFB2 (Red button, new off e-bay) is by far the best stick I have ever owned. You'll have to pry my cold dead fingers loose to get it from me. Cant be beat! The MSFFB2/X-45 throttle/CH pedal/TrackIR 4 combo is a flight simmers dream!!

rnzoli
05-22-2007, 01:27 AM
The MSFFB2/X-45 throttle/CH pedal/TrackIR 4 combo is a flight simmers dream!!

...and their wallets' nightmare!!!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

rnzoli
05-22-2007, 01:31 AM
My collection is stockpiled in a secure and undisclosed location
Is that location earthquake proof? Can it withstand an asteroid impact? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I think for the sake of redundancy, you would be better off with spreading your stocks geographically
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Lehnert
05-22-2007, 04:42 AM
Hello,
is there a good and recognizing difference between SW2 FFB with grey buttons and the SW2 FFB with red buttons ?

Should I get more patience looking for a stick with red buttons or buy at eBay one with grey buttons?

What are your hints to this question?

Cheers.
Gerhard


Originally posted by JV44Rall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I am with Huxley 100%
I purchased brand new MS FFB2 red button one last year for 180 USD on e-bay. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know it sounds nuts, but I think the red button FFB2 are a little smoother and responsive than the green buttons. One of my new ones is a red button and I'm saving it for last. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-22-2007, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by Lehnert:
Hello,
What are your hints to this question?

Cheers.
Gerhard


Buy CH kit mate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Divine-Wind
05-22-2007, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lehnert:
Hello,
What are your hints to this question?

Cheers.
Gerhard


Buy CH kit mate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

WHAT ART THOU DOING IN HERE, O USER OF CH! Out with thee, out I say! Thou defileth the FFB with they mere presence!

tagTaken2
05-22-2007, 09:12 AM
CH:

You can't have the best...

so accept the rest.

codeseven7
05-22-2007, 09:21 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lehnert:
Hello,
is there a good and recognizing difference between SW2 FFB with grey buttons and the SW2 FFB with red buttons ?

Should I get more patience looking for a stick with red buttons or buy at eBay one with grey buttons?

What are your hints to this question?

Cheers.
Gerhard

Hi Gerhard, its my understanding that the 'Red Button' version was MS last, most up to date model in their FFB2 line. What exactly makes it better than previous models I'm not 100% certain. I've heard 'Red' has an improved circuit board, trigger mechanism and upgraded padded ergonomic handle. In any event, I had read so much on flight sim forums about the stick and the 'prized' Red that I figured it would be 'the' model to have. Keep an eye out on e-bay, but dont hesitate to buy, MSFFB2's, especially boxed or if your lucky enough Red boxed, go quick and for top dollar (for good reason).

Then you too can join this sacred, exclusive and superior family of MSFFB2 worshippers! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
05-22-2007, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lehnert:
Hello,
What are your hints to this question?

Cheers.
Gerhard


Buy CH kit mate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

WHAT ART THOU DOING IN HERE, O USER OF CH! Out with thee, out I say! Thou defileth the FFB with they mere presence! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh no it is Archimonde the Defiler !! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Get the tar and feather kit out boys!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

horseback
05-22-2007, 11:48 AM
Not getting the MicroSoft FFB2 when it went out of production has always been one of my great regrets. It was almost exactly the time period Forgotten Battles was first released, I was short of cash, and I already had replaced my non-FFB Sidewinder with CH gear.

CompUSA had them for $75.00, which was down from the normal $125.00 retail price, and I could get the stick or the new sim, but not both.

I got Forgotten Battles, and ended up hating the AI and the P-47 FM so much, it was a year or more before I was weaned off of the original Il-2. By that time, FB cost $19.00, AEP was on the horizon and the M$FFB2 was gone from the shelves forever.

Truly, I have sinned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

cheers

horseback

Divine-Wind
05-22-2007, 11:51 AM
www.e-bay.com (http://www.e-bay.com)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

stalkervision
05-22-2007, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
Not getting the MicroSoft FFB2 when it went out of production has always been one of my great regrets. It was almost exactly the time period Forgotten Battles was first released, I was short of cash, and I already had replaced my non-FFB Sidewinder with CH gear.

CompUSA had them for $75.00, which was down from the normal $125.00 retail price, and I could get the stick or the new sim, but not both.

I got Forgotten Battles, and ended up hating the AI and the P-47 FM so much, it was a year or more before I was weaned off of the original Il-2. By that time, FB cost $19.00, AEP was on the horizon and the M$FFB2 was gone from the shelves forever.

Truly, I have sinned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

cheers

horseback


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Join the club... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Manos1
05-22-2007, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by JV44Rall:
A few years back, I went on a ebay buying spree when I found out FFB2 was discontinued. I got two new (one for $40) and a few more good condition - when prices started breaking $100, I quit buying. My collection is stockpiled in a secure and undisclosed location. FFB2s are the best, but I wear them out about one every two years. The hat switch wears out.

I think it was Wattila who found a source for a replacement for the hat switch. However, my soldering skills are sub-marginal. When push comes to shove, I'll have to start repairing.

Same here !

I have five of them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif all in perfect condition since I rarely fly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

~S~

Lehnert
05-22-2007, 12:34 PM
Hello codeseven7,
thank you very much for your detailed information !!!

I would be patience and look for a RED-Button
one.

And thank you again - you are the only pilot here who gives me a answer to my question !!

And the replies from many of the others does not
match my question in no way........................ why do them post so
things to my question ??

Happy flying
Gerhard


Originally posted by codeseven7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lehnert:
Hello,
is there a good and recognizing difference between SW2 FFB with grey buttons and the SW2 FFB with red buttons ?

Should I get more patience looking for a stick with red buttons or buy at eBay one with grey buttons?

What are your hints to this question?

Cheers.
Gerhard

Hi Gerhard, its my understanding that the 'Red Button' version was MS last, most up to date model in their FFB2 line. What exactly makes it better than previous models I'm not 100% certain. I've heard 'Red' has an improved circuit board, trigger mechanism and upgraded padded ergonomic handle. In any event, I had read so much on flight sim forums about the stick and the 'prized' Red that I figured it would be 'the' model to have. Keep an eye out on e-bay, but dont hesitate to buy, MSFFB2's, especially boxed or if your lucky enough Red boxed, go quick and for top dollar (for good reason).

Then you too can join this sacred, exclusive and superior family of MSFFB2 worshippers! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Viper2005_
05-22-2007, 01:44 PM
You know, given the rapid inflation in MS FFB prices, and the need to stockpile so many spares, I don't feel anything like as guilty about my modded Cougar & Simpeds anymore!

codeseven7
05-22-2007, 01:51 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lehnert:
Hello codeseven7,
thank you very much for your detailed information !!!

I would be patience and look for a RED-Button
one.

And thank you again - you are the only pilot here who gives me a answer to my question !!

And the replies from many of the others does not
match my question in no way........................ why do them post so
things to my question ??

Happy flying
Gerhard


No problem, just to clarify, this link is the coveted 'Red' model. You can see the red box graphics, the red trigger and top buttons and also the red light towards the base, much different than the 'regular' FFB2 model in the second link (black buttons/trigger and a green light towards the base). $329!, nah, chances are if you can wait awhile you wont have to pay near that much. Good luck and keep your eye on e-bay.

Codeseven

http://flyawaysimulation.com/article354.html

http://www.activewin.com/reviews/hardware/joysticks/microsoft/ff2/index.shtml

slipBall
05-22-2007, 02:58 PM
I have a new red edition for sale, I bought it on e-bay, sealed box for my son...he's a lefty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kurfurst__
05-22-2007, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

Look at the perfection of the above pics and then compare them to soemthing like this?!?!

http://www.guru3d.com/admin/imageview.php?image=1444

I mean WTF?

Hmmm... I've bought my Cyborg Gold at the time the first Il-2 appeared. Still using it, it has no problem at all.
And it's an ergonomic delight, everything being adjustable to your hand's size.

Now if you'd be having some picture of a logicr@p I'd see the point, but this I can't really get.

mbfRoy
05-22-2007, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
http://www.guru3d.com/admin/imageview.php?image=1444

I mean WTF?
Yeah, WTF? That's the joystick I'm using and it works great http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BSS_Sniper
05-22-2007, 03:30 PM
Could someone post links to the different ffb mods out there? Blades and Mantis and w/e else there is. I've always just use the MS ones. Whats the difference?

BSS_Sniper
05-22-2007, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by mbfRoy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
http://www.guru3d.com/admin/imageview.php?image=1444

I mean WTF?
Yeah, WTF? That's the joystick I'm using and it works great http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I ended up buying one of the Saitek FFB and OMG I hated it. I immediately went back to my MS FFB. It just seemed flimsy and the FFB seemed crappy to me. Maybe I did something wrong.

Huxley_S
05-22-2007, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
Could someone post links to the different ffb mods out there? Blades and Mantis and w/e else there is. I've always just use the MS ones. Whats the difference?

The only ones I know of (Blades / Mantis) are on the Mission 4 Today web site...

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&c=53

I can't really tell you what the difference is over the stock settings. I use Blade's Medium effects, and all I can say is that I like them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Divine-Wind
05-22-2007, 04:19 PM
Both mods as well as the default settings are too weak for me, even with my stick settings on full FFB. Any lower and it feels like a wet noodle flopping around underwater. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I mean, a chicken neck has more resistance.

Huxley_S
05-22-2007, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Any lower and it feels like a wet noodle flopping around underwater. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I mean, a chicken neck has more resistance.

Really? At anything over 400Kph mine gets a full on robot chubby.

crazyivan1970
05-22-2007, 04:32 PM
http://i11.tinypic.com/4ts2tk6.jpg

Best combo ever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yea, i am lefty http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Divine-Wind
05-22-2007, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Any lower and it feels like a wet noodle flopping around underwater. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I mean, a chicken neck has more resistance.

Really? At anything over 400Kph mine gets a full on robot chubby. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's the below 400km/h part that gets me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

(Robot chubby lol)

dogofwar50
05-23-2007, 01:02 AM
Hi I have the FFBPro and have used the FFBPro2. I prefer the first one more even though it isn't USB. I find the movement of the stick to feel better and the force rate to be more realistic but other may argue that.

Either one is a must as far as I am concerned and I would never swap mine for the world. I have had my FFBPro for eight years now and it still works as well as the first day I got it
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Has anyone here owned a Force Feedback Pro AND a Force Feedback 2?

I just wondered if there were any benefits of the FFB2 over the FFBPro besides the USB cable>?
Like is the Force Feedback any better on the '2'?

Thanks

If anyone needs any tips on how to get your MS FFB Pro gameport working in WinXP then give me a shout here or in a PM.

At the most it will cost you around 2-3 for a Soundblaster Live with gameport off Ebay.

Xiolablu3
05-23-2007, 11:25 AM
Thanks for the feedback http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

About people having problems geting MS FF Pro Gameports to work on WinXP.

I know that Nforce2 boards use the Gameport controller that the Soundblaster Live! uses for somehting else, therefore if you are unlucky enough to have an Nforce board AND a Gameport MSFFPro, then you will have to get a diffrent soundcard with a gameport to a SB Live! or I guess Audigy too.

I set up a friends Nforce2 and MSFFPro with an on Aureal Vortex soundcard instead of a Sb Live! and it worked fine. (It had a SB Audigy for the sound and the Aureal Vortex just for the gameport.

You should be able to pick up an Aureal Vortex card even cheaper than a Sb Live! off ebay.

Make sure it has a gameport!

Example :-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PCI-Sound-Audio-Card-Aureal-Vorte...eZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PCI-Sound-Audio-Card-Aureal-Vortex-AU8830-Turtle-Beach_W0QQitemZ290120357788QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3701 QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem)

Dance
05-23-2007, 11:34 AM
I would pay someone to write me some drivers for my MSFF1 in XP, even without FF it beats any other stick I've ever used. In addition, as a paperweight, it is unsurpassed lol.

80 quids worth, yes that's what it cost me at the time, if all MSFF1 users chipped in 10 quid, I guess it would be worthwhile for someone to figure it out, probably never happen but I can dream http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes I know the DirectX input n stuff would be OLD, still, I hate waste lol.

crazyivan1970
05-23-2007, 11:46 AM
strange, MS FFB1 worked in XP for me... i didnt use gameport tho, used adopter and plugged it into USB.

Dance
05-23-2007, 12:04 PM
Have tried mine both ways Ivan, gameport, which is the native configuration for my stick and USB adaptor. No joy :S

What are you using for your adaptor Ivan?

crazyivan1970
05-23-2007, 12:10 PM
Gamepot to USB converter... it was actually in the box when i bought FFB1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What kind of problem do you have tho?

Dance
05-23-2007, 12:16 PM
No FF that's the prob. It works via gameport on an add-on sound card with auto-detect, but that's it.

I didn't get a USB adaptor with mine :S, I tried a generic gameport to USB adaptor, but other than in FS9 (with no configuration, which just worked), I have no FF in sims, regardless of drivers etc.

willyvic
05-23-2007, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
http://i11.tinypic.com/4ts2tk6.jpg

Best combo ever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yea, i am lefty http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ivan,
Don't you find the thumb rest a little irritating on the palm after a bit of flying? I did and consequently have been flying right handed for years now. Took some getting used to but finally have the muscle memory mapped in. Just curious.

WV

woofiedog
05-23-2007, 12:30 PM
I agree with crazyivan1970... I have XP Pro and run my Sidewider with no problems.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/10-17-05.jpg

Dance
05-23-2007, 12:32 PM
Full FFB? Full button config ?

BTW that looks like a FFB2

crazyivan1970
05-23-2007, 12:38 PM
@Dance - I think one i have pretty generic too, i can mail it to you if you want... dont need it anymore lol.

@willy - Actually no, i`m pretty confortable with it. My desk has sliding boards that allow my elbows rest on them. That changes everything. But i think i know what you talking about... It could have been a problem if i didnt have those boards. Picture below is old, but shows what i meant http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://i14.tinypic.com/4q8wxky.jpg

woofiedog
05-23-2007, 12:40 PM
Yes... I have all my buttons programed... and it's a Sidewider Precision 2. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Very Mint set-up Ivan! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

crazyivan1970
05-23-2007, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Dance:
Full FFB? Full button config ?

BTW that looks like a FFB2

I think it`s Precision Pro2

Dance
05-23-2007, 12:41 PM
Which is why IT works, FFB Pro version 1 is what I am interested in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dance
05-23-2007, 12:52 PM
Sorry Ivan, I missed your offer about the adaptor, you have a PM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

crazyivan1970
05-23-2007, 01:01 PM
replied http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

crazyivan1970
05-23-2007, 01:04 PM
Quick question tho... when you launch the game... under hardware section...can you see MS FFB in controllers combo box?

Dance
05-23-2007, 01:12 PM
Nope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dance
05-23-2007, 01:15 PM
Auto Detect recognises the stick perfectly, as a MS Sidewinder FF Pro, no FF available no button config available. The common problem from what I've read.

The various fixes, using old Windows2000 drivers etc etc dont't work properly with Precision Pro, AFAIK.

crazyivan1970
05-23-2007, 01:27 PM
And what is available in that combo box? keyboard only?

Divine-Wind
05-23-2007, 01:32 PM
Woofie, what's that thing around your Precision 2? Did your stick break it's neck or something? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

woofiedog
05-23-2007, 02:09 PM
Divine-Wind... It's a collar that I made from a piece of pipe insulation. It keep the stick steady while it's not being used. LoL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/10-17-05005-2.jpg

Dance
05-23-2007, 02:12 PM
Ivan, In the combo box I see what I see in Game Controllers, using Microsoft Sidewinder Auto-detect.

A Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro, which is correct.

Windows XP however doesn't support FFB for this device, or the use of the shifted-buttons, in game it reflects that, no FFB and just 8 buttons.

If I use the Windows2000 drivers IL2setup doesn't find it at all, the only sim that worked with those was FS9 for me, and that was not adjustable.

Xiolablu3
05-23-2007, 03:06 PM
Force Feedbakc works fine on mine WIndows XP and MS FF Pro.

Are you sure you have the power adaptor plugged in?

Also the stick requires that you grab it to get the FF working.

There is a little camera near your little finger which detects when you have hold of the stick. When this is covered the FF comes on.

Which gameport are you using? Is it on a soundcard or motherboard?

If you are using a USB to Gameport connector, these can be troublesome. BUy yourself a cheap sound card off ebay with a gameport instead.

Dance
05-23-2007, 03:15 PM
Yes the power was plugged in, yes I calibrated it, I have been trying to get this damn thing working for all the years I have been using XP.... without success.

I have found perhaps half a dozen people who have claimed they have a Microsoft Forcefeedback Pro (V1) MSFF1, working under XP Pro with configuration and FFB, I have never been able to repeat what they say.

I've googled myself blind btw.

EDIT:
AS I mentioned earlier in the thread, am using a gameport on a secondary soundcard.
Gameport/USB adaptor failed completely

crazyivan1970
05-23-2007, 03:15 PM
Hmmm, i`ll check it out on my daughters PC tonight if stick is not in the storage...

Dance
05-23-2007, 03:20 PM
Thanks Ivan, I would be willing to bow down and call u god if you found the answer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Huxley_S
05-23-2007, 04:00 PM
I found this... might help.


Connect the stick/wheel and add it under Game Controllers as Microsoft Sidewinder (Auto Detect).
Next, go to Device Manager, then select View - Show Hidden Devices.
Now, under Sound, video, and game controllers, find the Microsoft Sidewinder (Auto Detect) item.
Update the Driver for this, but choose 'Don't Search, I will choose the driver to install.'
Next, I can't remember if you have to uncheck the Show Compatible Hardware box, but click Microsoft under manufacturer, then find the SPECIFIC listing for your stick/wheel. Mine was Force Feedback Pro.
Hit OK and it will probably cry about the driver you're installing, but ignore that and install it.
After it's done, when you go back to Game controllers, it will still say it is not connected properly under properties, but IGNORE THIS, YOUR CONTROLLER WILL WORK IN THE GAME.
Fire up Flight Sim X and it will run like butter with feedback.

One other note: I had previously tried to install the old Sidewinder 3.0 drivers for 98 from Microsoft, I don't know if that was where the exact driver came from or if they come with XP. If my solution above doesn't work out of the box, then install the old ones from MS (even though it says not compatible when you do) and try it again.

http://www.anetforums.com/posts.aspx?ThreadIndex=29064

Dance
05-23-2007, 04:07 PM
Don't work tried that years ago.

BUT As I said earlier, the only thing that ever did work on XP was FS9.

IL2 never worked that way, but thanks.

Bearcat99
05-24-2007, 05:58 AM
Hey Ivan where is your X-45 stick? Use it as a button bay man... put it behind the Ipod or the throttle... it works great.. even if you dont use the axii... although with my original two stick setup I used the sst SW to program the axii as banded switches with a 15-70-15 setting.. with the60 being the null zone and the 15s being programmed to lower my gear. I had the 12 & 6 motion for gera and tw lock.. the 3 & 9 motion was for manual raise/lower with a repeat set up so all I had to do was move the stick to the left or right accordingly until the gear was up/down. I have since modded the X-45 so now the desk real estate issue is moot.

http://star.walagata.com/thumbs/bearcat_my_rig_2.jpg (http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/my_rig_2.jpg)
Pre Modded X-45 setup
http://star.walagata.com/thumbs/bearcat_X-45mod.jpg (http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/X-45mod.jpg)
Modded stick
http://star.walagata.com/thumbs/bearcat_myrig.jpg (http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/myrig.jpg)
Post modded stick setup

hshmulik
05-24-2007, 07:31 AM
Read through all 6 pages. Lots of good info. I currently own 1 FFB Pro (gameport) and 2 FFB2 USB (one red, one green).
Honestly, I still think the first one was better - both the handle and button locations are more convenient, and the extra SHIFT button was a really good thing. If only M$ took the time to port the control panel for this stick (at the time they said it was "too hard" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif). It detects and works fine for me in XP, its just that I can't control the forces with it, and can't configure the buttons.
A possible workaround is to use a simple utility called Joy2Key (or is it Joystick2Keyboard ?) which will let you assign keyboard hits to joystick buttons (haven't tried this myself though).

As far as I recall, M$ stopped producing them as a result of a possible patent infringement - some company that had to do with the development of the FFB standard in the early years threatened to sue M$ for not paying royalties or something, so they dropped the entire hardware line.

Regarding the errors with the recorder in XP - the solution is in B16Enk's post right at the bottom of this page (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/314103891?r=5881074724#5881074724)

As for red/green versions - I'm running both of them - no noticeable difference. They are the same in both shape, functionality and accuracy. The only difference is the color of the LED and of some of the buttons.

One word about gameport/USB converter - it won't work with the FFB Pro version, only with the Precision series. This was acknowledged by M$. The thing is that the FFB series used the 2 MIDI wires of the gameport connector to receive the FFB signals in some kind of serial communication form, and the driver translated them. USB is a totally different standard and those signals will not pass the converter.

All in all, the best stick ever produced.

Huxley_S
05-24-2007, 07:40 AM
Honestly, I still think the first one was better - both the handle and button locations are more convenient, and the extra SHIFT button was a really good thing. If only M$ took the time to port the control panel for this stick (at the time they said it was "too hard" Mad). It detects and works fine for me in XP, its just that I can't control the forces with it, and can't configure the buttons.

I suppose in theory you could take the circuit board and USB cable out of the green one and, with a little soldering, replace the board in the FFB Pro with it.

crazyivan1970
05-24-2007, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Hey Ivan where is your X-45 stick? Use it as a button bay man... put it behind the Ipod or the throttle... it works great.. even if you dont use the axii... although with my original two stick setup I used the sst SW to program the axii as banded switches with a 15-70-15 setting.. with the60 being the null zone and the 15s being programmed to lower my gear. I had the 12 & 6 motion for gera and tw lock.. the 3 & 9 motion was for manual raise/lower with a repeat set up so all I had to do was move the stick to the left or right accordingly until the gear was up/down. I have since modded the X-45 so now the desk real estate issue is moot.
Post modded stick setup

Hey BC, for some reason i am much more comfortable with keyboard... but i am thinking about something similar. Was actually planning to by X45 somewhere on ebay and try to make dash board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaVee
05-26-2007, 08:21 AM
I have this in a separate thread here but since this one is getting alot more attention and down the road someone may need these I'm putting it here too.

Microsoft Sidewinder 4.0 Controller Software for use with MSFFB2 sticks:

http://s22.quicksharing.com/v/68634/MSFFB2_Setup.zip.html

I copied and zipped the setup files from my original Sidewinder disk that came with my joystick. Microsoft stopped making the joysticks and no longer even makes the controller software available for download on its servers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif. Accordingly if someone has the stick but lost the disk they are screwed - unless they see this thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I had posted this over at Shockwave and someone in fact needed the files so I post this here in case any of my IL2 friends need these.

NOTE: I do NOT think this controller software will work with the older MSFFB Precision Pro gameport sticks. I know for sure it will work with the MSFFB2 USB sticks. I run it no issues on my WinXP SP2 rig.

Darth_Reagan
06-05-2007, 08:09 AM
Well thanks to this thread I decided to have another crack at getting my gameport version of sidewinder force to work. After reading about the nforce 2 problem I decided to disable the on board game port and midi functionality and hey presto a working joystick! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now I can get back into flight sims. I've ordered IL2 1946 to catch up (I never got pacific fighers). Great thread!

96th_Nightshifter
06-05-2007, 09:43 AM
Had my MSFFB2 since about 2000 (original black buttoned version) and it's still works like it did when it was bought. It has survived almost daily use through CFS2 and the entire IL2 series.
Now THAT is how to make a good joystick.

striker-85
06-05-2007, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by SeaVee:
I have this in a separate thread here but since this one is getting alot more attention and down the road someone may need these I'm putting it here too.

Microsoft Sidewinder 4.0 Controller Software for use with MSFFB2 sticks:

http://s22.quicksharing.com/v/68634/MSFFB2_Setup.zip.html



Thanks SeaVee!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Feathered_IV
06-12-2007, 04:41 AM
A quick question here, are the old MS FFB2 sticks with gameport plugs still okay to use if you have one of the USB adapter plugs? I've got a chance to buy one for a song and need to get an answer real quick. I just saw DR's post about them and thought I'd better ask http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

Oh, and i was going to use it with XP rather than Vista http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif