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nearlymen
10-31-2004, 12:50 PM
First Off I like Pacific fighers, since as a brit its great to see a British Carrier and seafire so that British Pacific fleet operations are possible, but !
Its such a shame that with just two additional AI aircraft us brits could have had our dreams come true !
I hope in the future that the Fairey Firefly and the Fairey Barracuda get added if only as AI since then full BPF scenarios would be possible. Luckily we have the hellcat, corsair and Avenger which all flew with the BPF, so with some suitable skins ( I haven't got the skills to do this but hopefully some kind soul will provide BPF markings)the simulation can be expanded a little futher.

Oh well thats my thought for the day.

Cheers

Friendly_flyer
10-31-2004, 01:02 PM
What I'd really like to see is the Swordfish!

1.JaVA_Razer
10-31-2004, 02:59 PM
I second the swordfish model http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
(wasn't one in the making?)

MEGILE
10-31-2004, 03:48 PM
Barracuda anyone? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/1959L.jpg

Von_Zero
10-31-2004, 03:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megile:
Barracuda anyone? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/1959L.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
oh mein got, that "thing" is TEH most ugliest thing i have ever saw... (or atlest in top 10 most ugly) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
good thing u have a Tempest in your sig to clear up my eyes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Monty_Thrud
10-31-2004, 05:59 PM
nearlymen
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Oh well thats my thought for the day <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

D-am-n fine thought sir http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LStarosta
10-31-2004, 07:06 PM
Yeah, spend all these resources making the Swordfish, and when it's done, no one's gonna fly it. Give me a d@mn break...

God...

jtasker
10-31-2004, 09:53 PM
I'd fly it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ImpStarDuece
10-31-2004, 11:35 PM
Meglie,

The Barraccuda is so ugly it need to be in PF, just to balance out the beauty of the Spitfire and Seafire.

A bellyful of flak could only make it look better. Its about hte only plane that would look better AFTER a forced landing.

Id still fly it though. Only so i could get shot down, mind you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WOLFMondo
11-01-2004, 01:49 AM
Illustrious+swordfish+med map would be very cool!

That Barracuda is one ugly plane. I think they were so ugly there isn't even one still in existance! They were all put down for there own good.

nearlymen
11-01-2004, 10:44 AM
Mmmmmm...well my friends beauty is in the eye of the beholder ! If the whole world was to rely on looks alone then half of us would never have been born !!
The barracuda may not have won many awards in the fashion stakes, but it served a purpose, think of it as an Grumman Avenger torpedo carrying aircraft without an internal bomb bay but one which could also double up as a dive bomber and thats the ugly duckling that it is ! The barracuda took part in raids on the Tirpitz, plus flew with the British Pacific Fleet and to all intents and purposes done its job well. The production model during WW2 didn't have the big exhaust cover as shown in the picture posted in this thread, it had small exhausts like a spitfire (it was powered by a Rolls royce merlin).
And to add a correction we have enough parts to reconstruct one at the Fleet Air Arm museum at Yeovilton in England, so who knows one day it might turn out to be a swan after all !!

Mind you I still think the Firefly should be included as thats one mean beast of an aircraft, and it scored kills against the Japanese with its four 20mm cannon which is not bad for a twin seat aircraft.The example preserved in the FAAM is in BPF colours and is again is most impressive to walk round.

Ah well one day maybe I'll get to fly them in Pacific fighters !

Cheers

at_evans
11-01-2004, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
Yeah, spend all these resources making the Swordfish, and when it's done, no one's gonna fly it. Give me a d@mn break...

God... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I WOULD FLY IT! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Looks like fun!

MEGILE
11-01-2004, 01:53 PM
People want the Barracuda. Be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Both the Firefly and the Barracuda would be very welcome in PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stef51
11-01-2004, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
What I'd _really_ like to see is the Swordfish! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


If the link works.....

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1220.html


Stephen

p1ngu666
11-01-2004, 03:02 PM
just finished reading a book called barracuda pilot, was rather good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

lotsa ppl will fly swordfish, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

it should be HIGHLY manoverable, has nearly same wing area as a b25, but weighs FAR less http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
got some new shots of dave ill post later

Sharpe26
11-01-2004, 03:13 PM
hmm, hitting the rudder of the Tirpitz, thinking it was the Bismarck, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

or for that matterm striking the Italian fleet at Taranto, yup, the Stringbag 'll have a following alright.

MEGILE
11-02-2004, 05:25 AM
damm I can't find many pictures of th Barracuda!!!! We must have more to behold its ugliness!!!
Its so ugly it can scare the Tirpitz into submission. be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sorry to hijack this thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
here is a picture of a Firefly to make it up to you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

http://www.ipmssantarosa.org/oshkosh/osh_01.jpg

Capt_Haddock
11-02-2004, 10:19 AM
Fine Cr@ap planes, gentlemen.

The Stringbag has to be on the top of my wishlist for a carrier crapoplane, but don't forget the lovely Skua dive bomber. Very nice ugly plane it is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://home.online.no/~oela/skua44.jpg

The Blackburn Skua was a fighter/dive-bomber used by the British Fleet Air Arm in the early years of World War II. All but forgotten now the Skua was flown in combat over Norway, the beaches of Dunkirk and in the Mediterranian. It gained the distinction of being the first British aircraft to shoot down a German aircraft in World War Two (a Dornier Do Flying boat on 26th September 1939) and also being the first aircraft to sink a major warship in wartime when Skuas sank the cruiser Konigsberg in Bergen harbour on 10th April 1940. The Skua was also the first aircraft to carry out an interception of an enemy aircraft controlled by shipbourne radar.
http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dell/blackburn_skua.htm

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19banner.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/efas.jpg

MEGILE
11-02-2004, 10:41 AM
Holy poop that Skua is one ugly mofo!

MEGILE
12-22-2004, 07:07 AM
BUMP for the Barracuda! (and firefly)

F19_Olli72
12-22-2004, 07:38 AM
No Albacore fans here?

First operational attack with torpedos resulted that they severly damaged Italian battleship Vittorio Veneto in the battle of Cape Matapan in march 1941.

http://www.aeroplaneart.com.au/Images/JSJ_Fairey_Albacore.jpg

SkyPiggies
12-22-2004, 09:06 AM
That Barracuda is one ugly plane. I think they were so ugly there isn't even one still in existance! They were all put down for there own good.

Heh... I was about to make that joke myself

It's certainly very strange that a plane that served into the 1950s disappeared completely without trace http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SkyPiggies
12-22-2004, 09:30 AM
we have enough parts to reconstruct one at the Fleet Air Arm museum

This is clearly some sort of threat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BerkshireHunt
12-22-2004, 09:37 AM
Fireflies of HMS Indefatigable on return from an attack against the oil refineries at Pagkalan Brandan, Sumatra $th Jan 1945:
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/fif1.JPG

Barracuda prototype (with low- set tail):
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/barprot.JPG
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/barskel.JPG

http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/barpara.JPG

Barracudas in early 1943 from HMS Indomitable- flew with Swordfish and Albacores:
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/barwing.JPG
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/bartorp1.JPG
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/barbri.JPG

Swordfish of HMS Victorious waiting to take off for a strike against the Bismarck, May 1941:
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/swo1.JPG
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/swo2.JPG

Swordfish taking off from HMS Furious with depth charges beneath its wings:
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Minusmonas/swo3.JPG

Arm_slinger
12-22-2004, 09:44 AM
Nice one, you just killed my broadband modem...... do us a favour please and make them smaller

SkyPiggies
12-22-2004, 09:51 AM
Wow, excellent pictures thanks

Get them before the mods kill them !

BerkshireHunt
12-22-2004, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
Nice one, you just killed my broadband modem...... do us a favour please and make them smaller <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your wish is my command, master...
Sorry about that- I hate re-sizing images so didn't bother this time.
Then I realised I should have.

SkyPiggies
12-22-2004, 10:01 AM
BTW - could you tell us the title of the book you got the Barracuda pix from?

Mr_Nakajima
12-22-2004, 10:11 AM
Just come back from visiting the Fleet Air Arm Museum at RNAS Yeovilton. They have two Fireflies, WWII and Korea vintage, an Albacore and the engine from a Barracuda. They have a notice saying they are trying to gather the parts to reconstruct a whole one. Hope they succeed!

BerkshireHunt
12-22-2004, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyPiggies:
BTW - could you tell us the title of the book you got the Barracuda pix from? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure- they come from "Merlin Power- The Growl Behind Air Power in World War Two" by Victor Bingham. ISBN 1-85310-068-4. Good book, full of unusual photographs, engine cutaways, airframe schematic diagrams- only covers British aircraft.

scottmal1
12-22-2004, 10:45 AM
I think they got the Fairey Barracudas name wrong, it should be the Fairey hunchback of notre dame!

BerkshireHunt
12-22-2004, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scottmal1:
I think they got the Fairey Barracudas name wrong, it should be the Fairey hunchback of notre dame! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
According to the above book the looks resulted from a naval spec. which stressed a good downward view for the observer, all- round visibility for the air gunner, and a good view forward and downward for the pilot to assist torpedo dropping. Also, high stability in a dive was required.
Fairey decided on a shoulder mounted wing, which meant that the undercarriage had to have unorthodox geometry (but was very strong). The rearwards folding wings led the company to use external flaps/dive brakes (similar to Ju87). The prototype's low- set tailplane lost elevator effectiveness in a dive so was replaced with a high- set tailplane for production variants.

Mashie_Nibblick
12-22-2004, 12:56 PM
I would gladly fly the lot of 'em, though it's the Stringbag I'm dying to get a hold of. Thanks for the pics, everybody.

SkyPiggies
12-22-2004, 04:35 PM
No-one's mentioned the Spearfish yet

http://www.btinternet.com/~mmartins/Image113.jpg

Those Fairey boys finally made something that looks like it wants to fly... just in time to miss the war

SkyPiggies
12-22-2004, 04:46 PM
http://www.btinternet.com/~mmartins/Image114.jpg

BTW, those are the only two good Spearfish pix I can find - if anyone has more, pls share http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Friendly_flyer
12-23-2004, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Originally posted by stef51:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1220.html
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And a bump for the good, old Swordfish!

Why would no-one fly it? It's slow, it's poorly armed, and it€s ridiculously overloaded with a torpedo! This plane has got it all! I can imagine some pretty intense missions to make in the FMB, dodging bad weather, flack and enemy fighters flying a good 100 km/h faster then you!

NORAD_Zooly10
12-23-2004, 12:48 PM
bump for the Spearfish, i trawled the net for about 30mins and found the same pics you have http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
~S~
Zooly

Friendly_flyer
12-23-2004, 02:28 PM
Here is a small piece of rather nice prose for you to read for your pleasure during the Christmas weekend. It is an excerpt from "Bring back my stringbag", wartime memories of a Swordfish (and later Barracuda) pilot.

Read and enjoy:


http://www.airsquadron.org/pages/usa2000/tale.htm

WTE_Ibis
12-24-2004, 03:24 AM
Now this aint pretty either.