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JG53Frankyboy
06-02-2005, 04:50 AM
remembering this older post

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/3931...931074482&f=63110913 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/3931074482/r/1201069582?a=tpc&s=400102&r=1201069582&m=3931074482&f=63110913)

well, with the upcomming Murmansk map , a Seahurricane Mk.IB and/or IIb would be very welcome. it would give missionbuilders some new possibilities.
a Seahurricane Mk.Ib could be more or less a Hurricane Mk.I "easy" modified with a hook. i think noch changes in cockpit ore FM would be needed.
just delete the negG engine cut out.

perhaps you can consider this plane for future plane adons. it would realy fit the Murmansk map

Ratsack
06-02-2005, 05:34 AM
Good idea. It's another relatively low-impact change request, with a lot of uses as far as game play is concerned.

I hope the design team hears your suggestion.

Ratsack

MEGILE
06-02-2005, 05:57 AM
Bump http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG53Frankyboy
06-02-2005, 06:00 AM
they could do two variants:
Sea Hurricane Mk.Ib - from the Hurricane Mk.I - that would be the more important variant.

and some later stuff like
Sea Hurricane Mk.IIc - from the Hurricane Mk.IIc.

JG53Frankyboy
06-02-2005, 06:10 AM
http://www.franky.fliegerhospital.de/SeaHurricane.jpg

p1ngu666
06-02-2005, 07:35 AM
i think most types of hurri became seahurri
mk1 8gun
12 gun one
4 cannon jobby too

i got proper plans, only issue is the cockpit stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

JG53Frankyboy
06-02-2005, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i think most types of hurri became seahurri
mk1 8gun
12 gun one
4 cannon jobby too

i got proper plans, only issue is the cockpit stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
i dont think it would harm the qualities of the game if the cockpit of the SeaHurricane would look like exaclty the normal Hurricane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
i personaly wouldnt care http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
perhaps "just" ad to open the canopy , but also that would be not necesarry

and to get at least ONE SeaHurri , i would count on the Sea Hurricane Mk.Ib - so far i know the most used version and would fit very well on the Murmansk and Desert map.

but, keeping in mind how long it took getting bomb for the Hurricane Mk.IIb , i doubt we will ever see a Sea Hurri http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

J_Weaver
06-02-2005, 09:46 AM
Indeed the Seahurri would be great! I agree, just slap a tail hook on the current Hurri models and thats it. It couldn't be that hard to do.

269GA-Veltro
06-03-2005, 07:47 AM
My bump for this!!!!

p1ngu666
06-03-2005, 09:34 AM
http://www.uploadit.org/gallery/11651

u may need to hax the urls, **** piece of cr@p that is uploadit.org now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Skyfoxx1
06-03-2005, 10:38 AM
Would be a welcome addition.

Enforcer572005
06-03-2005, 05:21 PM
I to have wondered about this, as well as the sea gladiator (betcha forgot all about that, huh?). sea hurri would be alot easier to trap with than a seafire I believe.Ive seen a couple of skins already.

kind of the same line of thinking wanting a P38F and an ai B24D.would be a minimum of modification i think.

I would BUY an adon with alot of this stuff in it, like more ships etc. just threw that in, in case somebody in charge reads any of this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
06-03-2005, 05:32 PM
Sea Hurri and Sea Glad would be excellent!!!! More British carrier planes please!!!

VT-51_Razor
06-03-2005, 06:19 PM
Hafta agree with you on this one Tooz...as much as it pains me to do so. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Cheers Mate!

p1ngu666
06-03-2005, 07:22 PM
seagladitor has a entirely different cockpit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

p38F has different external AND cockpit, think enuff so that it would be easier to start from scratch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JG53Frankyboy
06-04-2005, 06:03 AM
a Seafire Mk.Ib would also not be too much work.

use the model of the comming Spitfire Mk.Vc (2 canon)with its Vokes filter and cockpit. the Seafire MkIb had no folding wings.
ad the hook of the Seafire Mk.III (actually they are the same 3D modell - made from Nyme).
give it a new skin. small FM tweaks (if needed).
not sure if the Seafire Mk.Ib had 60rounds ore 120 rounds in its Hispanos . think it had 60 , like Spitfire MkVb. voila.

but that would be still WORK ............ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

and so , at least a Sea Hurricane Mk.Ib would be my choice - if maddox games would have time

ImpStarDuece
06-04-2005, 07:12 AM
Bump for this. A SeaHurricane is a great idea. Might just tempt me back to carrier ops and the waters of the Pacific. That and it makes a great plane for the Malta convoy runs!

Also Bump for bomb load outs on the Hurri IIc. As far as I can see it has bomb racks but no bombs! It was stressed for 250lbs and 500lbs on each hardpoint.

With the Spitfire Vc coming a bombed up Hurricane IIc would add a lot more to any Western Desert scenarios as well as cross channel fighter bomber fun in 1941-42.

Bump for bombs and a hook!

p1ngu666
06-04-2005, 07:45 AM
hurri's where also extensivly used in burma and that area, untill the end of the war. fighter, recon, fighter bomber http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

SeaNorris
06-04-2005, 07:50 AM
SeaHurricane and the Hurricanes launched off the CAM ships, thye would be good.

P.S ~ Pingu666 - No SpitfireXIV No Tempest no Mosquito? The RAF can kiss there asses goodbye http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

p1ngu666
06-04-2005, 11:55 AM
they where used on normal carriers for awhile too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SeaNorris
06-04-2005, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
they where used on normal carriers for awhile too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yes but it would be good to see them off CAM ships too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Enforcer572005
06-04-2005, 08:38 PM
actually, the externals on the P38F weren't that much different, mainly the lack of an underwing spoiler and the streamlined fairings. I photographed Lefty Gardners P38J extensively at two airshows, on the ground and in the air....it has the streamlined fairings of an F (where he got them i have no idea) because he used to race it and it added a few knots. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
There was really no way to tell it apart short of asking him about it.

We're to the point of using "generic" battleships and carriers now (the KGV BB and Saratoga, which bore absolutely no resemblence to any ohter warships), so I dont think using the same basic cockpit with a new paintjob, deleting a couple of switches maybe, would be that out of line or time consuming. they modified the P-40 by adding the rus engine, and there are bunches of versions of soviet and german planes with similiar differences.

I think its a good way to add a few more planes. as far as the glad cockpit, id settle for the regular one,as it had to be at least similiar. I dont think it would be as noticable as flying P-38Js out of henderson during the siege there, or having to fly totally incorrect planes in historical scenarios. how tough would it be to add a glazed nose to the B-24 and a hook to the glad? Id choose this option over the current situation because of the versatility it would add, and be the lesser of 2 evils by far. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I think with the advent PF, its a bit redundant to maintain the level of perfection they originally did. the addition of different versions of these planes, albeit somewhat off the mark, would open up alot of scenarios.I bet if some more user input was allowed, it would happen rather quickly, including some more ships. this is another of hte few areas where MS CFS2 has a slight edge, although it is a bit chaotic at times.

I love this sim, I just think we are correct in coming up with ways to make big improvements with a minimum of effort (hopefully) and distraction from other projects.
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p1ngu666
06-04-2005, 09:20 PM
well slight changes on the real thing could be hard todo in 3d, remmber they have limited polys, a real art in making the plane look good while keeping poly's low. think the p51 is one of the best models in this way.

think thats what gibb said, and he made the p38 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Buzzsaw-
06-04-2005, 09:42 PM
Salute

I sent detailed original drawings of the Sea Hurricane hook to Oleg about 6 months ago.

The Hurricane IIC had two variants modified to become Sea Hurricanes. The only differences were the hook and in one variant cockpit details. One had a different radio, and a fire extinguisher in the cockpit, the other was identical to the original Hurricane IIc cockpit.

So if Oleg wanted to, he could have the second variant simply by doing the hook.

Beaufort-RAF
06-16-2005, 01:46 AM
Sea Hurricane, tankbuster & rockets are sadly pie in the sky at this stage.

But please just give us 2x250lb bombs for the Hurri IIC.

Such a simple mod that would add a new dimension to Hurricane mission building.

RAF238thKnight
06-16-2005, 07:43 AM
Well gents for them to get this working something would have to be done to the speed to help get the bugger off the deck in 4.01m just alittle note.

Knight

Kernow
06-16-2005, 10:02 AM
Sea Hurricane Mk.IA - 50 Hurricane conversions; catapult spools only, for CAM ships. ie same as Hurri I in game terms, as no catapults in game

Sea Hurricane Mk.IB - 300 Mk.I and 25 Mk.II conversions; catapult spool and arrestor hooks. For MAC ships. so yes, Mk.I + hook is all that's needed

Sea Hurricane Mk.IC - Hurricane Mk.I conversions with four-cannon wing; spools and hook. new armament and hook needed here

Sea Hurricane Mk.IIC - with hook and naval radio. About 450 conversions to Sea Hurricane IC & IIC.

Source doesn't say what the Sea Hurri IICs were converted from, but as it has same engine as the Hurri II - Merlin XX - the Mk.II seems pretty likely. Note the Sea Hurris had four Oerlikon cannons and not four Hispanos; I guess that would need modelling as well as the hook.

Sea Hurricane IB could certainly be done by 'just' adding the hook.