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red99
01-26-2005, 08:22 AM
I've done it. In fact it can be done consistently with relative ease. Landing is another matter at least for me although I succeeded once, albiet with some very bent props.

I was just curious how many others have done this as I haven't noticed any discussions about it. But then I'm too lazy to search the entire forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It just seemed like a VERY WWII Pacific thing to do. At least if you're an American or you're a fan of America's involvement in the Pacific theater.

J_Weaver
01-26-2005, 09:14 AM
Yep, I've done it too. Never tried landing though. I did land a 109E4 on the HMS Illustrious without damaging it. Nearly ran out of deck though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Texas LongHorn
01-26-2005, 10:01 AM
Yep, I've done it too in a sort of Doolittle mission I made in the FMB. I did have trouble at first with me the #1 ship in line. After I set my AC back a bit and let the AI take off first it's really quite easy depending on the bomb load <ggg.> It's really cool to see the AI guys just about drag their gear in the water before pulling up and slowly mushing for altitude. All the best, LongHorn

ARM505
01-26-2005, 11:34 AM
My vote for most suprising carrier take off AND landing is the Go-229! Landing was ridiculously easy. Taking off was a little trickier though...

Gawwad
01-26-2005, 12:18 PM
It does not suprise me at all, cause Go-229 can fly 100 kmh with flaps without stalling.

Fliegeroffizier
01-26-2005, 01:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Texas LongHorn:
Yep, I've done it too in a sort of Doolittle mission I made in the FMB. I did have trouble at first with me the #1 ship in line. After I set my AC back a bit and let the AI take off first it's really quite easy depending on the bomb load <ggg.>... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Historically, Doolittle used B25B...PF uses B25J(flyable). B25B max takeoff weight was 31,000lbs; this included, for Doolitle's raid, just Four 500-lb bombs. B25B Max horsepower was 3400HP; B25J was 3700HP, with max weight of 33,500lbs.

Apparently the carrier(Hornet) had a flight deck of roughly 802 feet total, but the lead plane (Doolittle's) had only 467 feet of flight deck in front of him....but apparently had a headwind of 20Knots and carrier speed of 20Knots.

In PF, if the Saratoga is used to represent the Hornet,I guess one should figure that historically the Sara's decklength was 866, longer than the Hornet's...


I'm not smart enough to analyze this stuff, but the bottomline MAY be that the B25J's in PF could be more difficult to get off the deck than the historical B25B was??? Seems to me though that it would be a wash...HP versus Weight....and longer deck available in PF(if ships are accurately 'modelled' in PF.


In any event, to be realistic Simulation of the event, I think you'd have to build a FMB mission with the carrier going 75Kph (to represent combination of wind and carrier speed).

I've done it myself with a Sara carrier set for 75Kph...didn't seem hard at all from positon 3...haven't yet done lead position...No time right now...will check that out later today..

Fliegeroffizier
01-26-2005, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by red99:
I've done it. In fact it can be done consistently with relative ease. Landing is another matter at least for me although I succeeded once, albiet with some very bent props.

I was just curious how many others have done this as I haven't noticed any discussions about it. But then I'm too lazy to search the entire forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It just seemed like a VERY WWII Pacific thing to do. At least if you're an American or you're a fan of America's involvement in the Pacific theater. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My particular preference in FB/PF is historical events/accuracy...therefore I never do the "what if" scenario's, especially things like the attempts at landing of Me262's or B29's or TB-3's on carriers. I can see that fior some that would be a hypothetical exercise/trick, but for me..just me...it's not important to land a B25 on a carrier since that was Never a possibility and never happened in real-life.

Actually, I'm a bit disappointed if the flight-modelling of PF allows it to be done.

but..who knows...I could be totally wrong...MAYbe it Would have been possible in real life, though I'll always doubt it.

red99
01-26-2005, 02:47 PM
I can't say if landing on a carrier with a B25 is possible in PF or not. When I did it I didn't really land so much as pancake so hard on the deck my gear broke and the plane slide to a quick stop.

I think more so the reason we can do things in a game, hypothetically saying someone does what was never accomplished IRL, is because if we fail, we just respawn and try again. Doing these things doesn't make IL2 PF unrealistic, it just reinforces that real life doesn't include a "Refly Mission" button. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shakthamac
01-26-2005, 05:27 PM
ive landed on the carrier once with the b25 without pancaking. however, i was at near stall when i did it and as soon as i touched down i layed on the brakes and on the trigger. the nosewheel came to a stop about 2 scale feet before the end of the flight deck. ive tried to replicate the results, but without success

eddiemac0
01-26-2005, 05:31 PM
I've gotten off the deck in a B-25, haven't tried to land it. But I am able to land a 109G2 fairly consistently on the Akagi now (as well as launch her from it)...

fabianfred
01-26-2005, 06:55 PM
when building my 'action at midway' mission I tried the AI B25's takeing off and landing....
they land oK... but never try braking... so just roll off the front http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

eddiemac0
01-26-2005, 07:23 PM
that's pretty funny

RidgeR5
01-26-2005, 11:39 PM
My first online flight:

http://img190.exs.cx/img190/8346/woot2ha.jpg

4x500lbers and 75% fuel

nakamura_kenji
01-27-2005, 04:37 AM
i not try land b-25 but i tried he111 and manage it i probably land tb3 russian bomber if it not for wing hitting ship control tower ^_^

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/grab0018.jpg

zjulik
01-27-2005, 08:17 AM
There`s a video at http://www.checksix-fr.com/ showing a Me262 carrier landing. Has to make a little left turn at the end of the deck to get enough space to stop completely.
Videos at that site can be recommended. Effortlessly done yet with quality.