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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:40 PM
1) I dont need any changings in FB

2) Open the code for the 1% Team to get better Flight Models

I vote for 2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:40 PM
1) I dont need any changings in FB

2) Open the code for the 1% Team to get better Flight Models

I vote for 2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:41 PM
Put me down 2

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:42 PM
Open the code = user made UFO's.

How many people wanna see Hurricanes doing 800MPH in level flight? Didnt think so.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:46 PM
We don't need no mods.

1% .. I would rather have 100% stock.

All this game really needs is trim like in IL2. The rest will sort itself out.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:47 PM
1

I dont think so, very bad idea IMO.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:50 PM
Mods don't necessarily mean corrupting the core game.

If you think that way you should probably pay attention to PC games made in the last .. 6, 7 years.

There are also ways of going about making this kind of request without putting down the developer and making them 100% certain to ignore your little poll rather than 99.9999%.



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:54 PM
clint-ruin wrote:
- Mods don't necessarily mean corrupting the core
- game.
-
- If you think that way you should probably pay
- attention to PC games made in the last .. 6, 7
- years.
-
- There are also ways of going about making this kind
- of request without putting down the developer and
- making them 100% certain to ignore your little poll
- rather than 99.9999%.
-
-
I think he was just getting a general feel as to what the sim community was thinking,,,,,you didnt ned to jump all over him.

Perhaps he was thinking that the 1% team only would be able to access the gamecode and therefore we would have planes that act 99% like their real counterparts

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:57 PM
I'll vote "yes" to anything that possibly could make the game a bit more realistic. As it is now, we have tons of planes of which roughly half must be banned to gain any kind of resemblance of realism.

1.1b is much better. It's doable with just banned LaGGs and P-39's.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:59 PM
1
You're on a non-starter here m8. Oleg is adamant that that will never happen!

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:00 PM
If the code is opened, next thing we will be crying for is a secure server do hicky like RB3d has.

Opening the code will only provide opportunity for those few "bad" apples to make there cheat planes and ruin everyones fun.

I can see the endless messages of this guy is a cheat!!!


I understand wanting the code open so new planes can be introduced. And i would say that the code should be opened but not at this point.

When FB is on it's last leg and all of the "jonny come lately's" have left the arena the code will be open for the true to heart to make it what it always should had been. then we will have the real forgotten battle....

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:02 PM
I can tell you two awful side effects of having mods for a game:

Online compatibilty. Or lack of it more precisely. If IL2 had an automatic download feature like Enemy Territory, it might work, but I wouldn't want my flight models changing every time I play.

CHEATING. yes, that's right. If the code gets leaked, this game would turn into what every other online game is - a cheaters wet dream. Americas Army, Battlefield 1942, CS, Dungeon Siege, ANYTHING. If you play any of these you know it is a major turnoff (unless you're the one that's cheating/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif ). Again, IL2 lacks the support to handle this. Things like PunkBuster would never make it into FB, so we would have to kiss FB bye bye.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:05 PM
I vote no 1% FM's it's bad enough we have olegs ufo's without everyone making them fly how they think it should be.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:12 PM
No.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:21 PM
Until and unless Oleg/UBI stop supporting and marketing the sim - NO.


If the support goes away, then there may be reason to request open code - not before.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:22 PM
I would have more respect for 1% planes if they called them 100%.

As it is, they sound like a cute little joke. "Where's the 1% planes?" 1% of what?

Let them fix up CFS3 as their little hobby. We already have a zillion planes here already.

I would rather have a patch than a bunch of mods to download every other day just to get into online games. And I don't want the secrets of the planes to be in the hands of some squad thats friends with 1%. I would rather have real players earn it through discovery.

Whatever Oleg does with the planes, it's all good. There will still always be the best dogfighter, the 2nd best, the 3rd best, etc. Obsessive full realists are trying to kill this game, with their ludicrous settings and demands. All this game needs is trim like in IL2 and it's good as gold.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:28 PM
OPEN CODE = MADDOX LOOSES HIS BUSINESS.

You must be crazy!

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He said many times that code will not be opened for anybody. Period. You can start on-line petition club if you want.

If you are not satisfied with FB, buy CFS 3, make a mod and play with 1% FM if you want...

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:39 PM
No it is just fine The way it is..

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:39 PM
No mods here. It's already bad enough with CFS, so there's no reason to ruin this sim also.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:51 PM
make it open.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:54 PM
I know what 1% aircraft are and the excellent work that Bear and the rest of the 1% team have done with CFS 2&3.It's a nice idea but it's not gonna happen.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:56 PM
I think there are many here that could argue effectively against the so-called 1% aircraft.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:58 PM
I thought the choices were either

(1) or (2)

what's this yes - no stuff?

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anyway ...

(1)

if you want 2,

go buy another game.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:00 PM
Jerry Beckwith does the 1% flight models...Bear is the mouth. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:00 PM
I enjoyed the 1% models for CFS2, but in FB? Nah.

What I DO want however is the ability to play online with out all the effin lag and stutter.




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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:02 PM
How about '3'

3. Learn to fly your aircraft and be appreciative of a great sim.



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:07 PM
Bad idea.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:10 PM
nearmiss wrote:
- Jerry Beckwith does the 1% flight models...Bear is
- the mouth.

I did say Bear and the rest of the 1% team, been a long while since I was last at the 1% site. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:13 PM
If Oleg were to give them a swap-code version of FB, so that it would be totally incompatible with what we have, and then it wouldn't matter if it leaked. Then allow them to Make the changes to the flight models. They can submit the changes to Oleg, and then he could patch them in for us.

Ok, here's why even though this would work, it is not going to happen:

Oleg is very proud of his FM's. It would be a slap in the face to say that we want someone else to do them. Also, if everyone got those 1% FM's, it wouldn't be 15 minutes after the patch was released that people would be accusing the 1% team of bias.

So, what is it that the people doing 1% fm's know that Oleg's team have been in the dark about? Where do they get all the info that Oleg doesn't know? Do they have secret access to something in the way of documentation that Oleg does not? I don't think so.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:14 PM
Recon_609IAP wrote:
- How about '3'
-
- 3. Learn to fly your aircraft and be appreciative of
- a great sim.

Agree. 3



PS. Also, bugs must be fixed.

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Zayets
09-22-2003, 02:14 PM
I don't care anymore wether is open or closed. If open will happen , I will mostly play offline , as I did with cfs2.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:30 PM
1........................ ABSOLUTELY!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:34 PM
Closed code definatly, but having the 1% team work inhouse with oleg on helping him getting the most accurate fms as possible for all planes and having the next patch having final fixed fms for all planes.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:36 PM
1

No way. 1% flight models are WAY overrated. For example. I was in an F4F at 250 mph. Rolled 90 degrees and yanked hard back on the stick. The plane BARELY, if at all, stalls. I can' believe noone over at the CFS sites b!tch about this. They just all take, give everyone a group hug, and pretend it's the best thing since sliced bread. Unbelievable.

The 1% flight models in my opinion, aren't even as good as EAW's.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:42 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- I would have more respect for 1% planes if they
- called them 100%.
-
- As it is, they sound like a cute little joke.
- "Where's the 1% planes?" 1% of what?


As in, the Top 1% maybe?

Open the code, those guys do great work.



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:46 PM
tmdgm1 wrote:
- 1
-
- No way. 1% flight models are WAY overrated. For
- example. I was in an F4F at 250 mph. Rolled 90
- degrees and yanked hard back on the stick. The
- plane BARELY, if at all, stalls. I can' believe
- noone over at the CFS sites b!tch about this. They
- just all take, give everyone a group hug, and
- pretend it's the best thing since sliced bread.
- Unbelievable.
-
- The 1% flight models in my opinion, aren't even as
- good as EAW's.
-
-

When Oleg quits trying to make aircraft flight models better, then this kind of thread may make some sense, not that it will make any difference. LOL

I think it is also important to realize that the 1% stuff relates to the MSFT CFS2 and CFS3 aircraft.

Both are dog combat flight sims, and the people that are into those sims embrace those never ending...troublesome sims like fanatics. I own all the MSFT CFS sims 1, 2 and 3 and none is on my HDD. I got enough problems with my ole lady bit$hing at me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I sure has heck don't need the frustrations of dealing with those DogA$$ sims and the SO-CALLED 1% flight models...LOL -- (that's a joke you're supposed to laugh)

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:53 PM
No way. If this allows an increased opportunity for cheating in online games! I`ve left certain online games because of the constant cheating that went on and I`m not talking about people who were just very good, I mean superfast speed characters, extra tough skins, and the great evil : AUTO-AIM! Imagine how many would jump on that.

I would NEVER fly FB on the net if that happened.

So far FB`s been the only online game/sim I`ve played constantly with only the `LAG` cheat`, damn good as far as internet play is concerned.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:54 PM
1 - Keep it closed and let Oleg do the necessary tweaking and bug fixes. The flightmodeling skills of the 1% team are very overrated, not to mention that their very name is a display of their arrogance. I have never met anyone who works on professional flight simulators who has claimed that their models are within 1% accurate in every regard, and these are all aeronautical engineers with graduate degrees and many years of experience, yet these guys believe they can pull it off while doing flight modeling in their spare time and creating a new flight model in only a few weeks. The flight test data you use to create your flight models are very often not even within 1% accurate. Besides that, certain members of the 1% team continually feel the need to bash IL-2 and Oleg Maddox personally on the CFS forums. I am sure if the flight modeling in FB is ever opened up (which I think is very, very unlikely) that someone who actually likes the sim and who respects the work that has gone into it will be in a better position to do anything useful on the flight models.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:58 PM
only reason they needed 1% planes in CFS is because the stock planes were crap.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:00 PM
1.

I thought the intent of the Maddox team was to provide aircraft with realistic flight models. I know there are some that think there could be some improvement but PLEASE don't open the code to encourage mods.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:04 PM
I vote 1. No user code changes. People WILL use it to cheat. It WILL cause nightmares for online play. Not worth it. And who's to say that even those who earnestly want to create more accurate FMs are really gonna end up with that? So many other games have turned to hack garbage over the years. I find it refreshing that there's at least one game where that can't happen.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:09 PM
Doesn't really matter, because it won't happen........that simple.....

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:17 PM
Why praytell do you think the 1% people know better than the Maddox people? 1% as someone else said were created because M$ stock planes have always been crap.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:21 PM
tsisqua wrote:
- [..]if everyone got those 1% FM's, it
- wouldn't be 15 minutes after the patch was released
- that people would be accusing the 1% team of bias.
-

Mr. Tsisqua is dead right. There are to many of us on these forums with our overgrown egos, and underdeveloped knowlege insisting that we know everything there ever was to know about WWII, and that our opinion is Divine law.

What is sad, is the worst offenders don't even see it. They are so blinded, they can't see what they are, or what they are actually doing.

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ZG77_Nagual
09-22-2003, 03:40 PM
I'm afraid most of us don't have a clue what goes into building a simm like this one - in fact it is pretty much unprecedented.

I was reading on another thread where Ian Boys mentions Oleg consulted with the chief engineer for Black 8 regarding prop-pitch and other factors in the 109 fm. think about how many planes are in this simm - and how much research has gone into it - there is no comparing the fidelity of flight models in FB to the simplistic tables in the cfs line.

Moreover - when I was flying cfs2 I preferred the wells models to the 1% models - unless a particular plane was unavailable - much closer to real in the planes I tested.

There really needs to be more respect on these boards

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:43 PM
snoopy88 wrote:
-
- 1) I dont need any changings in FB
-
- 2) Open the code for the 1% Team to get better
- Flight Models

Your choices seem to have a built in bias.

I say number 1, but feel there are changes that need to be made, but by 1C.

And who says that the 1% team will guarantee better flight models than 1C? Better by whose estimation? The flight models in FB are already very good, and any further adjustments should be done by 1C.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:49 PM
Yeah, so Maddox is going to let some other guys in to "correct" his flight models? Ha! Keep dreaming. I wouldn't either.

This poll is ridiculous.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:04 PM
1- No user mods needed. Can't think of a quicker way to ruin the game. Just imagine empowering the dissatified who "feel" that their fav ride is "undermodeled". The results would not be pretty or any more "realistic" than what we have. Everyone's time would be better spent learning to fly the existing stock effectively. Oleg has demonstrated a willingness to modify FMs if it can be shown by argument supported by fact that an error exists. He hasn't been, and shouldn't be receptive to making changes based upon someone's unsupported allegations that this or that plane's FM is under or over modeled.

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09-22-2003, 04:13 PM
One.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:34 PM
What is 1%? is it 1% realism? 1% top of the bill flight dynamics?




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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:42 PM
No 1% planes in FB please.

Besides, Bear would not want to do it anyway because when he get's the chance he is bashing on IL2 and keep on going on and on how the CFS series is far better in every aspect.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:53 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
- No 1% planes in FB please.
-
- Besides, Bear would not want to do it anyway because
- when he get's the chance he is bashing on IL2 and
- keep on going on and on how the CFS series is far
- better in every aspect.
-
Really?? what is his motivation? It probably is kinda humoristic /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:55 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!





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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:57 PM
Go back to CFS2. Once the FM's are open, everyone will be in a UFO. Keep the playing fields level.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:02 PM
NO WAY...nothing open. I just had to gave up (FOR MY DISAPOINTMENT) playing Counter-Strike...BECAUSE of the open arhitecture!
Every time I join a server I had to wait 10-20 min for a map to be downloaded, or a sound file, etc...not to mention THOSE STUPID WARCRAFT MODS servers...
Also, they are so handy now in cheats and file editing (i.e. multiplayer/network settings) that me, with a PERFECT net connection (pings LOWER than 10 all the time) I get busted by a champ runing at 70 something pings...

Nope, they games should function ON EVERY computer as they come out of the box...if you still want to talk about fair-play.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:05 PM
They should have two versions, one for offliners that can be modified to the users content. And another online version that can't be modified. It would be easy to implement this. They could easily make a version that can't go online with mods possible. I'm an offline player and I have to pay the price for the online world. If I have a version on my hard drive that can't play online and want to make the Hurricane fly 800Mph, is it anybody elses worry???


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:09 PM
What makes you think that is something that any 1% flight modeler in his right mind would be willing to do? Actually I think fixing these FMs would be a huge project. If you like these you should keep them perhaps.



Message Edited on 09/22/0304:18PM by MerlinRider

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:09 PM
Zayets wrote:
- I don't care anymore wether is open or closed. If
- open will happen , I will mostly play offline ,
- as I did with cfs2.
-
-
- Zayets out
-
http://www.arr.go.ro/iar81c.JPG
-

Yeah...I am doing this myself also...got tired of planes jumping all over the map...lack of fair-play or the stream of ex CFS arcade fliers...
I know that there are 5% or GOOD servers, with good players who are not ALWAYS AFTER kills but a nice fight, flying other things than Doras, La-7s or Antons-9...

You'll never have to know which planes is THE UBER in that version...just go online in a DF server...it was full of noobicanes or Bf-109s with MK-108 gondolas...now it's full of Doras.



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:11 PM
1, one, numero uno. Keep the code closed.

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09-22-2003, 05:11 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:17 PM
Werre_ wrote:
- I'll vote "yes" to anything that possibly could make
- the game a bit more realistic. As it is now, we have
- tons of planes of which roughly half must be banned
- to gain any kind of resemblance of realism.
-
- 1.1b is much better. It's doable with just banned
- LaGGs and P-39's.
-
-
-
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- prkl

agreed

But in not for opening the code!!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:27 PM
If Oleg worked WITH the 1% team to refine FMs, implemented the changes, and kept the sim closed, you could bet the FMs would be WAY better, and more accurate.

But:
-1% has different ground handling/takeoff characteristics for each plane, Oleg doesn't
-Oleg wants control over his planes to ensure certain planes don't get an advantage, accurate or not
-the variables for each sim are probably way too different to actually succeed in this
-there's no Spitfire, thus supporting my belief that there's a conspiracy to keep some cool planes out of this sim
-inaccuracies in Oleg's internal modeling stats would then be exposed, causing many of you to admit that perhaps the existing FMs aren't as accurate as you think they are


A lot of respect should go out to the 1% team, whether you like CFS or not. Try taking off in a 1% Spitfire in either CFS2, CFS3 or FS2002/4, and you'll see just how hard it can be. Same with landing...

Oh, if it weren't for the "but" list, I'd vote #2


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:41 PM
The 1% team, it should be remembered, uses primarily one data source (NACA) and gets things to 1% of what they believe to be accurate. They are infintely better than the stock FMs of Microsoft but they aren't the end-all be all of FM makers.

If you think there are rapid fanboys for Oleg try critiqueing the very Anerican biased opinions of the 1% group in a CFS forum...

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:27 PM
1

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:29 PM
1. I dont need any changings in FB

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:34 PM
1.

See how many beta patches were leaked? 'nuf said.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:37 PM
No, I don't want russian data, which is correct 90% of the time, be replaced with Allied propaganda.

NO is my vote.


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RichardI
09-22-2003, 07:06 PM
Dex: Right on!

Try taking off and landing a 1% BF-109. Better get it perfect on the approach, or go back around pal. Better land on the main wheels in a 1% P-40 or the tail wheel will break off.

The 1% flight models and process would definitely improve FB. But, I think Oleg doesn't get involved any more. Anybody seen him around lately? This 1.11 patch has a LOT of problems and no word from the man....

Rich

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:06 PM
not on your life

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:09 PM
RichardI wrote:
- Dex: Right on!
-
- Try taking off and landing a 1% BF-109. Better get
- it perfect on the approach, or go back around pal.
- Better land on the main wheels in a 1% P-40 or the
- tail wheel will break off.
-
- The 1% flight models and process would definitely
- improve FB. But, I think Oleg doesn't get involved
- any more. Anybody seen him around lately? This 1.11
- patch has a LOT of problems and no word from the
- man....
-
- Rich


I thought you only played CFS3...

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:14 PM
Hell no!

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:25 PM
tmdgm1 wrote:
- 1
-
- No way. 1% flight models are WAY overrated. For
- example. I was in an F4F at 250 mph. Rolled 90
- degrees and yanked hard back on the stick. The
- plane BARELY, if at all, stalls. I can' believe
- noone over at the CFS sites b!tch about this. They
- just all take, give everyone a group hug, and
- pretend it's the best thing since sliced bread.
- Unbelievable.
-
- The 1% flight models in my opinion, aren't even as
- good as EAW's.
-
-

Maybe its the way you fly or something. They posted this in game VCR or whatever you call it about stalls.

http://www.avhistory.org/Bear257Images/fs9_spin.zip
'Ensign Eliminator'

http://www.avhistory.org/Bear257Images/cfs3p51s.zip
Rodeo Pony

But I agree with voting number 1 for the reasons Dex gave.

Zeke

RichardI
09-22-2003, 07:35 PM
SeaFireLIV:-

You thought wrong. Probably not a new experience for you/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Rich

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:38 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:42 PM
My opinion:

Let's wait to the end of Il-2 FB life (that I'd like to be long), and when there's no hope that Maddox goes on supporting it, then let's have the building features open.

Until then: 1

After that: 2

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:59 PM
Thanks stranger, ... but "We don't need any stinkin net code".

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 09:42 PM
RichardI wrote:
- Dex: Right on!
-
- Try taking off and landing a 1% BF-109. Better get
- it perfect on the approach, or go back around pal.
- Better land on the main wheels in a 1% P-40 or the
- tail wheel will break off.
-
- The 1% flight models and process would definitely
- improve FB. But, I think Oleg doesn't get involved
- any more. Anybody seen him around lately? This 1.11
- patch has a LOT of problems and no word from the
- man....
-
- Rich
-
- <Center><img
- src="http://www.ghosts.com/images/postimages/THUND
- ERBOLT.jpg"><Center>I've got 140 109's cornered over
- Berlin!


What about when the pay-for add-on CD comes out with all the new planes; don't you think Oleg will also have patch fixes in it.

Zeke

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 09:47 PM
1.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 09:56 PM
What about opening the code without actually opening the code?
What about if someone created a program that could allow you to import cockpit's, models, and tweak the flight models. But have the aircraft historical data encoded as an absolute limiter?

I don't know if it could be that simple, but seems possible. For example it would have the historical data for the Spitfire hardcoded in and unchangable. So a person could import the model, and the cockpit. Tweak the items, but nothing that didn't actually exist.

Of course the downside to this is somebody could tell it that it's an Fiat G.50 and it actually fly like a ME-262. Although for all intents and purposes it would be a ME-262 in a I-16 body.

Yet you could hardcode in the aircraft dimensions as well. That way if someone tried making a B-17 as small as a Spitfire it would just be a giant derranged looking spitfire.

Personnaly I would really just like a way to add 3rd party cockpits and make flyable the already in-game AI flyable planes.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 10:10 PM
1

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 10:47 PM
You got my vote: 2

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 10:52 PM
I vote for 2, but leave the code closed. Let the AV History guys show Oleg info on how they're supposed to perform, and then let Oleg model it.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 10:59 PM
1.ONE..

U.S INFANTRY 84-91

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:00 PM
WWTaco wrote:
- If the code is opened, next thing we will be crying
- for is a secure server do hicky like RB3d has.
-
- Opening the code will only provide opportunity for
- those few "bad" apples to make there cheat planes
- and ruin everyones fun.
-
- I can see the endless messages of this guy is a
- cheat!!!
-
I don't want that for FB either. I hardly play RB for that reason. And hackers have got into the RBWL matches.

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09-22-2003, 11:05 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:08 PM
I think that this entire situation is directly attributable to Oleg not being as involved as he once was /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:10 PM
I vote ..1

maybe open files so we can paint ground vehicles.or buildings...

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BM357_Raven
09-22-2003, 11:23 PM
I like what Dux Corvan had to say. I have to admit I really admire what AVHistory has done and in a sense I think there should be a place for them in every sim, but the flip side is that it opens FB up to numerous problems.

Now if AV could get a contract with Oleg, that would be pretty cool, and also highly unlikely.

Ah, if it were my baby, I continue to expand the game and release serialized updates with downloadable planes in packs of ten for 19.99. The packs would include new missions, maps, objects a couple cool utilities, etc.

But then again, I'm a capitalist and think in terms of making more. Now after 2 patches you have just generated more revenue and paid for future development.. ??

Not a popular idea I suspect...

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:10 AM
1.....I hate ufos

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:10 AM
I vote 1.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:27 AM
Given the final very minor patches and bug fixes for FB are due out shortly then the sim is on its own as Oleg is moving onto the new one .. open code is an unlikely eventuality.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 03:55 AM
1. I tried the so-called 1% flight models for CFS2. They may have performed to specs for speed, climb etc, but their handling was bizarre to say the least.

Anyhow, it won't happen. Maddox will stick to his guns and not be intimidated by the whiners. There may be some minor inaccuracies (relative time to overheat in various planes -although how anyone knows this is actually the case is beyond me) but overall this sim has the best flight modelling on the market and opening it up will absolutely ruin the game.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:09 AM
Well, from my past experience with 1% planes, I liked them. Giving the code to the 1% modelers would be good if they could keep it to themselves and not let it out. If the FM codes ever got out all hell would break loose. Maybe he could work with them and still keep his code intact. They model the planes and he codes them for FB. I'm all for it. Everyone respects these guys for very accurate models.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:15 PM
Michael_2

"but their handling was bizarre to say the least."

Could you please explain what happened to make them bizarre?

Zeke