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Freiwillige
10-19-2008, 11:15 PM
I am building a p-47 campaighn in Italy and I would like to preface it with a few Africa missions but I am not sure any of them flew in africa? Any confirmation, Fighter groups and time periods would sure help. I am a Luftwaffe guy so my knowledge on American airpower during Torch is limited. Thanks!

WTE_Galway
10-19-2008, 11:22 PM
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Bo_Nidle
10-19-2008, 11:26 PM
I do not know of any P-47 groups that actually fought over north Africa. The closest I can think of is that the RAF had a training squadron in Eygpt.

WTE_Galway
10-19-2008, 11:38 PM
See the book in the post above.

Among others 325th FG got its first P47's while still in Tunisia.

They moved to Italy shortly afterward but were operational in Africa.

Buzzsaw-
10-19-2008, 11:41 PM
Salute

Theaters the P-47 fought in during WWII:

Northwest Europe (France, Belgium, Holland, Germany) USAAF and French Air Force

Mediterranean (Italy, Corsica, Austria, Yugoslavia) USAAF and Brazilian

South Pacific (Rabaul, New Guinea) USAAF

Japan (based in Saipan and Okinawa) USAAF

Burma (RAF)

325th F.G. flew no combat missions from Tunisia in P-47's, they were simply re-equipping and familiarizing themselves with the aircraft. They were then transported by Landing ship to Foggia airbase in Italy, where they began operational missions.

325th F.G. did fly combat missions from Tunisia in P-40's prior to transitioning to P-47's.

WTE_Galway
10-19-2008, 11:45 PM
Here is some more on the 325th FG P47's in Africa (Note they were basically not operational yet):

"The period from 22 September through 31 October 1943 was one of transition both for the pilots and enlisted personnel who service the planes. New P-47 type aircraft arrived and were assembled at Casablanca, Algiers, and Bizerte; and then they were flown to the base at Mateur. Civilian technicians and test pilots were attached to the group to instruct flyers and to test planes. Lectures, distribution of printed matter, and actual operation of the new planes were the principal methods of instruction. With the arrival of high-flying P-47s came a change of assignment for the group from the 42nd Medium Bomb Wing to the 5th Heavy Bomb Wing.

During this period a series of forums for all personnel was instituted. Topics chosen concerned current events and progress of the war. These were very beneficial in that they acted as a mental stimulant at as time when there was no combat operations.

On 27 September, the groups was visited by Major General James J. Doolittle. The leader of the first formation to bomb Tokyo presented Distinguished Flying Crosses to Lt. Colonel Robert L. Baseler, Captain Herbert W.Andridge and Lt. Ebert W. Smith. The General also presented the Soldiers Medal to Sergeant James Johnstone.

The onslaught of North Africa's rainy season rendered field and runway at Mateur #2 unsuitable for operations or training. On 4 November 1943, 325th Fighter Group moved to Soliman, Tunisia, where the transitional phase from P-40 to P-47 continued, and preparations started for a major move to Italy."

From here:

http://www.325thfg.org/325his.htm

Freiwillige
10-20-2008, 02:35 AM
Well thanks for the quick reply's everybody, and I guess that answers that. Maybe a combat mission or twoin P-40 E's followed by training in p-47's followed by Italy!

I really want to make this more of an air to air campaighn because every p-47 campaighn ive downloaded they lay it heavy on the ground pounding. But im finding its a great fighter aircraft if used fast, and those 8 .50's really send the message! So off for some more research!

Buzzsaw-
10-20-2008, 12:54 PM
Salute

The P-47 model in the game closest to the type used in Italy would be the P-47D10. Around December of '43, theyd likely transition to the D-22 type.

The P-47's main opponent in Italy were 109G6 Early during 1943, G6 late during the first half of '44,and then the 325th transitioned to P-51's.

There were some 190's, but these were part of a Schlactgeschwader, not a Jagdgeschwader and would have been equipped with fighterbomber variants. They would either be 190G's, (same as the 190A5 with two guns) or the 190F8, and were used to attack the Allied beachhead at Anzio. The P-47's were too late to see combat at Salerno.

There were also the Fascist Italian air units, which were equipped with MC-205's and some 109G6's.

Bo_Nidle
10-20-2008, 02:17 PM
I forgot about the 325thFg, all the more surprising as I have had the book "Checkertails" (Squadron/Signal Publications) by Ernest R McDowell sitting on the desk in front of me for the last month! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

There was no actual combat for the P-47 as far as I can see.

Buzzsaw-
10-20-2008, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I forgot about the 325thFg, all the more surprising as I have had the book "Checkertails" (Squadron/Signal Publications) by Ernest R McDowell sitting on the desk in front of me for the last month! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

There was no actual combat for the P-47 as far as I can see.

Negative, the 325th had a lot of combat while equipped with the P-47.

See the link posted above:

http://www.325thfg.org/325his.htm

First mission December 14th '44. According to this history, the Group claimed 101 enemy destroyed during the six months it flew the P-47.

Monguse
10-20-2008, 03:15 PM
About that D-10...

Maybe a few were D10's in the very beginning but those were eventually phased out. Just to reiterate, the 325th were equipped with all the variants of the 47 up to the latest version of the razor back model but never the bubble top (I can dig up some MACR's when I get back from this long business trip).

The 325th flew the 47's for a while as air escort duties and some ground strafing (Athens area) During the p47 long range bomber escort missions, they used the teardrop tanks (P38 tanks).

Also, as far as the 325th P40's. The majority were the P40F then then a smattering of what was around which were then augmented by later models L.

Bo_Nidle
10-21-2008, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I forgot about the 325thFg, all the more surprising as I have had the book "Checkertails" (Squadron/Signal Publications) by Ernest R McDowell sitting on the desk in front of me for the last month! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

There was no actual combat for the P-47 as far as I can see.

Negative, the 325th had a lot of combat while equipped with the P-47.

See the link posted above:

http://www.325thfg.org/325his.htm

First mission December 14th '44. According to this history, the Group claimed 101 enemy destroyed during the six months it flew the P-47. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I know the 325thFg were VERY successful with the P-47 in Italy, but I can find no specific reference to actual combat engagements over N. Africa in the P-47.