View Full Version : Rudder whining

06-06-2006, 03:49 PM
Does a set of rudder pedals really add to the flying experience? I have been having so much trouble using the keyboard rudder commands when trying to take off from a narrow strip. It does not matter how careful I am, I always seem to over-react or compensate with keyboard rudder. Its near impossible!

06-06-2006, 03:59 PM
Controlling rudder with a keyboard is too crazy for me!!! There is no sensitivity. A key is all on or all off. Pedals are not required for me, but I could never do without rudder controls on my HOTAS.

I originally had an X-45. Got good and used to the rudder rocker. Then, that packed-up and I got the X-52 with it's twist rudder. A little slider adjustment for YAW in the INPUT section and my gunnery and maneuvering control increased instantly.

For me, great rudder control is one of the much-needed basics for better performing hard maneuvers, as rudder will help you avoid a stall that a non-rudder using person will fall into. It will help your gunnery improve as well.

06-06-2006, 04:08 PM
If my rudder pedals quit on me I'd buy new ones before going flying again.

06-06-2006, 05:34 PM
do you use the rudder movemnt keys or just tap the full deflection key ??? .. the second way is probably better

regardless good rudder control is essential .. not just for takeoff and landng but also for shooting .. without rudder to adjust for skid your gunsight is only accurate at zero throttle straight and level

i prefer pedals myself though a lot of people use sticks with a twist rudder

06-06-2006, 05:53 PM
Yeah, like Galway says, the trick on using the keyboard for rudder on takeoff is just to tap the Z and X keys. It gives you a momentary full deflection 'kick' of the rudder, just enough to correct your path.

I watched a friend of mine with an X-45 fly, and he used the rocker in the same way...momentary full deflection left or right 'kicks'.

It does the job, but it ain't pretty, nor immersive, IMHO. I have an X-52, and I made of point of doing smooth correct rudder deflections to adjust my takeoff roll. I felt it was more like a 'real pilot' would do.

A couple months ago I built a set of rudder pedals. It took me a couple of weeks to get used to them, but it is very immersive. I built them with lots of throw so I can get very fine control inputs. It's much more satisfying to execute a smooth takeoff roll with the pedals than with the keyboard 'tap tap tap' routine. Now I feel like I'm a 'real' pilot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

06-07-2006, 05:10 AM
There seems to be a slew of CH Products pedal sets on eBay at any given time. Do you think these are related to people who are not happy with the product? I thought perhaps it was all the car racers out there that did not like the "race sim" performance? I hope it is not a bunch of IL2 fliers who decided to go without... I want to buy a pair. Is there a better pair that can be had for similar money?

06-07-2006, 06:02 AM
CH pedals are great,and as Viper said,I would get another set if mine broke.Having said that,why dont you try building your own,just for the fun of it.Plenty of posts hereabouts on the subject.And if you do build your own,pictures of said contraption are compulsory http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

06-07-2006, 06:23 AM
Just seen a pic of the new Saitek pedals on their site:

06-07-2006, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by Salfordian:
Just seen a pic of the new Saitek pedals on their site

Wow, those look VERY nice...better looking than the the CH Products set. And they do not double as a race getup...

06-07-2006, 07:06 AM
ood rudder control is a must. You can ride a Harley naked in the desert but why would you and it would realy take away from the experience. Get a twist stick or a set of pedals.. the CH ones are great. You wont be sorry.

06-07-2006, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Salfordian:
Just seen a pic of the new Saitek pedals on their site:

Holy **** Saitek makes everything ugly don't they? Oh well, at least they work. I'll probably be upgrading my billion year old Thrustmaster game port pedals come August.


06-07-2006, 07:44 AM
At first they are a bit confusing... because you need to think about the move you need to make... after a few days they become second nature and you will NEVER want to fly without them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

06-07-2006, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
If my rudder pedals quit on me I'd buy new ones before going flying again.


06-07-2006, 08:37 AM
Oh yeah, ya gots ta have pedals. Couldn't fly without 'em.

But as far as take-offs and landings...use your rudder trim...at least until you get some pedals (you are going to get some, aren't you?)

Trim is your friend!