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harold x
03-18-2006, 09:29 AM
i have tried and tried and tried but i have never found the russians fighters any good. apart from the yak3 and la5&7 all the others are poor performaners. poor engines (low hp), poor in dives (planes fall to bits in high dives) stall and spins frequent, unatable gunnery platform ect. no match for 109f,g & fw's. no surprise vvs got its a** kicked in the early part of the war

Chuck_Older
03-18-2006, 09:35 AM
Holy ****

GerritJ9
03-18-2006, 09:50 AM
Try the I-16 tip 24- it can give the 109E a good run for its money. Slowish, but can outturn almost anything it opposed including the B-239.
By western standards most Soviet fighters carried a low ammunition load so you have to learn to conserve your load and shoot only when you have a good chance of doing some serious damage.

mortoma
03-18-2006, 09:50 AM
"Unatable"??? There is no such word in the english
language. Sorry to inform you of this.......

GerritJ9
03-18-2006, 09:50 AM
Probably means unstable...........

heywooood
03-18-2006, 09:53 AM
what is your major malfunction, Pyle.

alert_1
03-18-2006, 09:54 AM
But historically if you'd had 3 those against single Me109...btw> I16/24 was quite rare most of I16s were type 10/18 with four Skhas 7.62mm.

gates123
03-18-2006, 09:55 AM
??? Yak 1b does really well in the eastern front in a '42 planeset(if flown right). Yak9u kiks ### and for what its worth I got 6 online kills last week in a ya-7b. Altitude still matters

Stackhouse25th
03-18-2006, 10:00 AM
in before thread lock :-)

IBTL

Vipez-
03-18-2006, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by alert_1:
But historically if you'd had 3 those against single Me109...btw> I16/24 was quite rare most of I16s were type 10/18 with four Skhas 7.62mm.

Most i16 Type 24 had 4x 7.62, only a very few had cannons installed..

Messaschnitzel
03-18-2006, 11:06 AM
Maybe this will inspire you to keep trying:

http://www.brokenrooster.com/wavs/faith.wav

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TgD Thunderbolt56
03-18-2006, 08:55 PM
For the 10,000th time. It's the PILOT!

Know your aircraft, know your enemy's aircraft and fly AWAY from his strong points.

Ken_Det
03-18-2006, 09:08 PM
What TgD Thunderbolt56 said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif
You have to know your bird backwards, and forwards.
I really injoy the I16 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
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Davinci..
03-18-2006, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by harold x:
i have tried and tried and tried but i have never found the russians fighters any good. apart from the yak3 and la5&7 all the others are poor performaners. poor engines (low hp), poor in dives (planes fall to bits in high dives) stall and spins frequent, unatable gunnery platform ect. no match for 109f,g & fw's. no surprise vvs got its a** kicked in the early part of the war

the la's and yaks MORE then make up for any "poor performing" russian fighters. heh heck, i cant remember the last time i saw anyone flying anything else anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

chances are, if you are having problems with certain aircraft, its because you arent using them quite right. Or not using the right aircraft in the right situations.

UberPickle
03-18-2006, 10:20 PM
Whoa. Maybe you got a bad copy of the game, 'cause the Rusky fighter's I've flown have been quite good to my standards, they usually get the job done.

msalama
03-19-2006, 01:00 AM
EDIT: Well never mind... Nothing wrong w/ the Russian birds anyhow...

madsarmy
03-19-2006, 01:07 AM
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MadRuski
03-19-2006, 01:15 AM
i love flying the I16, it feels like a all purpose plane, the only thing i hate about it is that if u fly to high the engine stalls, and u have to play around with the richness and radiator postions, iam sure its not a problem for most of u pros, but to me its still bloody rocket science!

LStarosta
03-19-2006, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
in before thread lock :-)

IBTL

It's "in before the lock" n00b!!!11!1111

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03-19-2006, 07:40 AM
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bazzaah2
03-19-2006, 07:50 AM
to know them is to love them (mostly).

R988z
03-19-2006, 07:52 AM
I don't really like the Russian fighters either, they all have their guns centrally mounted and I just can't seem to aim well enough to shoot with them properly in a deflection shot. I only ever take a MiG 3ud with wing mounted gun pods.

I have the same problems with 109s, only the E model with wing guns or the later models with gunpods are any good for me. Couldn't hit the broadside of a battleship otherwise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

HotelBushranger
03-19-2006, 08:06 AM
I hate them cos they follow me with nil energy, when I do have energy from a dive, up 1000m and take out my rudder controls and half a wing. As in, let the man fly!

LeOs.K_Walstein
03-19-2006, 08:36 AM
I have flown Bf-109 for 5 years and I tell you that I AM AFRAID OF I-15 AND I-16 FIGHTERS.

OK I Don´t play ever every weekend (0nline)but the last time I shot down a I-15 was months ago. I think that the enemy pilot turned too hard and went black, because I found him flying rather strait for some time and then I found my moment to shoot him down. Without that (getting black) I simply could not hold him in my crosshair long enough. And all the time he was getting begind me. The only thing for me to do was keep up good speed and chase, chase and chase until he made the mistake (of too hard curve).

Don´t blame the "Chaikas" and "Ratas" or the other russian planes either.

Sceary fighterpilot, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Wallstein

VW-IceFire
03-19-2006, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
I hate them cos they follow me with nil energy, when I do have energy from a dive, up 1000m and take out my rudder controls and half a wing. As in, let the man fly!
Don't let them get so close http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Airmail109
03-19-2006, 08:46 AM
Im not afraid of I-15s or I-16s when im in a 109, all you have to do is energy fight and fight in the vertical......let the i-16s and i-15s try and follow you in a zoom climb, theyll stall out then just drop back down on em....

LeOs.K_Walstein
03-19-2006, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Im not afraid of I-15s or I-16s when im in a 109...

But I am http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I get always find it too temptating to go turning and curving and then I loose my energy and then I Find myself in trouble! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Wallstein

Pinker15
03-19-2006, 12:01 PM
Somebody was said that all russian planes are ****. Only Yak3, La5/7 are good performers. LOL in game those planes are good but only because are optimistic overmodelled to prototypes data. In other hand when we take P51 or even P11c and show real manufacture data that those planes was better performers than we hear from Oleg team that this can not be true and it is propaganda http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Maple_Tiger
03-19-2006, 12:15 PM
Alas,

Tis the end,

La-7 hated,
Yak mutilated,
Mig degraded,

It's not me,
No way,
Don't beleave me,
Must I pray,

Tis the end,

Grue_
03-19-2006, 01:47 PM
There was a track file showing an online fight between an I15 and several 109's.

The 109's were forced to boom and zoom and the I15 dodged every attack for over 15 minutes. I think it got away.

It's the pilot, not the plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BluesmanSF
03-19-2006, 02:48 PM
Grue, when did this situation happen?

I'm just curious as I was flying the formidable ´Chaika´ just for the pleasure of flying anything else than the Bf109's I've been flying for ages, when, after a succesfull ground 'n pound with rockets, I realised I'm in the middle of a Bf109 flight, low and slow.

My only hope was to try to make a run for it as I didn't have ammo left and the fuel was running low due to a couple of AA hits I'd gathered by then. Inevitably, the three Messerschmitts (spelling? XD ) begun attacking my poor little 'Chaika'. But everytime I saw that they were just about to start shooting, I would make a VERY hard turn to left or right, and as fast as I could, return to the course which would lead me home.

The Bf109's continued this practice of hammering me for a good 10 minutes only to score just a couple of MG hits, and to my relief, they run out of ammo just as I was closing home base. I was both astonished by the 'Chaika's' ability to evade hits with simple, but violent manouvers, and happy as I saw a couple of Yaks hurrying after the 109's... =D

After that incident, I for one, do not hate russian fighters.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S!

Max.Power
03-19-2006, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
"Unatable"??? There is no such word in the english
language. Sorry to inform you of this.......

^^^ This guy is an idiot.

vanjast
03-19-2006, 03:17 PM
You know I don't blame you for finding these planes a real problem... Oleg has 'porked' them.

If you really want to fly a real plane try the FW190.. there you go mate, go'n get it.

willyvic
03-19-2006, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by harold x:
i have tried and tried and tried but i have never found the russians fighters any good. apart from the yak3 and la5&7 all the others are poor performaners. poor engines (low hp), poor in dives (planes fall to bits in high dives) stall and spins frequent, unatable gunnery platform ect. no match for 109f,g & fw's. no surprise vvs got its a** kicked in the early part of the war

quote:
Originally posted by harold x:
does any one agree with me that the Yak series of fighters were the best russian ww2 fighter. Iam currently flying the yak1 and having alot of fun agaianst me109 f2&4

H
Circa 2004

Change your mind did you? No problem. But are you going to stick around and discuss it this time or just start another thread and meld into the background.

WV.

Grue_
03-20-2006, 02:54 AM
Grue, when did this situation happen?

It was the JG5 squad in a mission server playing against ?

Wish I could find the track http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

LEXX_Luthor
03-20-2006, 03:00 AM
I-16 and MiG-3 are my fave Russian fighters in the sim, the rest are kinda boring to me. You are supposed to like La or Yak, maybe that's why. dunno


does any one agree with me that the Yak series of fighters were the best russian ww2 fighter.
MiG-3 was the best, and had the best potential for future development, but required advanced modern tactics and confident MiG pilots which were rather rare.

RedDeth
03-20-2006, 05:26 PM
if an I-153 pilot does not want to get shot down then you just gotta wait for him to run outa petrol

cuz you cant shoot those things down cept for DUMB luck. or a newbelmier pilot .

LEXX_Luthor
03-20-2006, 06:07 PM
Yes you can, in a big furball. Like experienced Zero and Ki-43 pilots could not keep up with all that was going around them in a big dogfight, and would fail to see the fast attacking USA plane that latched onto them -- too much happening for even great combat pilots, and being on the defensive would eventually invite an unseen attacker in large combats. The book Fire In The Sky talks about this problem faced by the slower and more maneuverable Japanese planes when in large dogfights. Same with I-153 against faster planes.

slo_1_2_3
03-20-2006, 11:38 PM
You know what I think?
I think at least you have the russian planes to gripe in the first place.

jasonbirder
03-21-2006, 02:49 AM
Im not afraid of I-15s or I-16s when im in a 109, all you have to do is energy fight and fight in the vertical......let the i-16s and i-15s try and follow you in a zoom climb, theyll stall out then just drop back down on em....

Maybe i'm doing something wrong (all too likely...) but recently i've found I153's and I16s have gotten much scarier than they were under previous patches...
Not only do they bounce and barrel role and reverse their course like bumble bees on speed but when I match up against them in a 109E4 they seem able to accelerate away from me and they never have a problem keeping up with me in a climb...I've never had one stall away under me...but i've stalled away under them when trying to follow them in a Zoom climb...
I find them alot tougher than before under 4.04 - I'd much rather face off against a LaGG3 or a Mig than an I16 or an I153.

LEXX_Luthor
03-21-2006, 03:26 AM
You are facing AI pilots?

Even so, the Email-4 and later I-16s were competitive with each other including in the vertical. I-16 should out-accelerate Emails, at least at slower dogfight air speeds and low altitudes. You want fight at higher altitudes where I-16 was not competitive, and use Female-2 or -4 for advantage in 1941 (or Email-7Z with GM-1 boost but heck at the GM-1 operating altitude (7km) no I-16 can fly in the sim -- try it). The Luftwaffe knew what it was doing in replacing the old 1940 Emails. The problems with I-16 were even shorter range, no radios or Nav equipment. These are "real life" things that win air wars, and I-16 didnt' have them. But these also have nothing to do with computer dogfight gaming, at least how they design PC air combat sims today -- dogfight shooters.

Also, ask yourself what single thing makes or breaks a fighter? Look under the hood, I-16 was not a Russian fighter. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif