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Markone1
03-30-2005, 01:26 PM
Was playing last night and had the lights off in my room cause it was dark in game and a little stormy.

Now the camera view from above water during night and rough seas is bad enough, but I submereged the sub and followed it under water.

Kept getting darker and then the sounds of metal under pressure on my hull from my surround sound was just too much.

I actually got creeped out and had to quickly switch off camera view and turn on the lights.

Sad thing is that Im almost 40 years old.......I feel like such a girly man.

NaturalBornGoth
03-30-2005, 01:36 PM
Why? It's cool to be creeped out by something that moody. I have to say that deep waters, especially in the dark, are the most creepy thing there is. You never know what's down there. Our whole solar system is more thoroughly explored than the depths of the oceans.

It's even more creepy when you just sent an enemy ship to the bottom of the sea and you hear the creaking of the sinking metal body, knowing that there are people dying in that very moment.

Don't get me even started on ghost ships! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I know, it's just a game. But it's so immersive that you actually feel how it must be like to experience something like that for real. Kudos to the dev team for creating the best submarine sim of all time, despite the rather long wish list. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Capt._Tenneal
03-30-2005, 01:41 PM
Your story made me think of that sub/horror movie several years back called "Below".

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JKWG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Oblt.Fonnekold
03-30-2005, 01:46 PM
Play DOOM 3 man http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

scootertgm
03-30-2005, 01:48 PM
I get creeped out by taking the camera underwater too deep also. I know at least one other who is the same.

Doom3 was decent, and had the "Make you jump factor", but not this, this goes much deeper than anything in Doom3...

NaturalBornGoth
03-30-2005, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
Your story made me think of that sub/horror movie several years back called "Below".
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I still have to get around seeing it, but it's ranking pretty high on my "to do"-list right now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I already ordered "Run Silent, Run Deep", "Enemy Below" and "U-571". Yes, i actually do like "U-571". Sure, it's a comic book kind of war movie, but i can enjoy it for being what it is. I don't expect it to be realistic or being even remotely historically correct.

One funny side note: i'm German and i laughed very hard when that one American sailor said he could speak German fluently and even pass as a native German speaker. And when he gave a sample of his German capabilities, he had the thickest non-german accent i ever heard in my entire life. I could hardly recognize it being German at all. If it would have been for real, the Germans would have shot him or taken him into custody the very second he had openend his mouth. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway, i already own some other submarine-movies:

- Das Boot
- K-19: The Widowmaker
- Crimson Tide
- Hunt for Red October

"Ice Station Zebra" is about to be released in May.

Any more recommendations?


EDIT: changed "K-12" to "K-19". See below (no pun intended). My bad!

der|zerst0rer|
03-30-2005, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scootertgm:
I get creeped out by taking the camera underwater too deep also. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank God, I thought I was the only one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
I just can't take the camera down more than 50-60 meters. As stated - it's far too creepy! Who knows what the heck you might find down there...brrrr.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Hail to the Devs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Pr0metheus 1962
03-30-2005, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Markone1:
Kept getting darker and then the sounds of metal under pressure on my hull from my surround sound was just too much... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yesterday I chose to use the free camera to follow one of my victims down through over 1000m of water. I very quickly got freaked out. At first I tried to rise back up again, but when I realised that I had no idea anymore which way was up I totally lost it and had to hit the F4 button to get me back to the bridge view.

I know it's only a game, but when you get down that deep it just gets too weird.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-30-2005, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NaturalBornGoth:
- K-12: The Widowmaker <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad to know that I'm not the only one who thought that was a great movie, but wasn't it called K-19?

BaneSixEcho
03-30-2005, 02:52 PM
It's K-19: The Widowmaker, not K-12. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Great movie.

I've always had a fear of the deep. Any kind of shipwreck footage makes my skin crawl. I guess it's from my childhood spent on sailboats. Anyway, I also tried following a ship to the bottom with the free camera but I couldn't do it... and I'm almost 30.

TooFastForLove.
03-30-2005, 02:54 PM
Thats funny I never really thought of it as being creepy looking underwater with that camera. Maybe its because I'm looking at my own boat with the framilier sounds of the screws turning. I do however find it somewhat creepy on the inside at night with the dim red lighting and the hull is makind creeking noises.

I'll try looking under the water some more. I guess I don't have the right atmosphere in this room either.

NaturalBornGoth
03-30-2005, 03:00 PM
I also tried that when i sunk a big *** battleship in a spot with a depth of more than 1000 meters (it was the "Bismarck" single mission). Once it went below the surface it gained sinking speed pretty fast, tumbling into the dark of the cold sea. I followed it with the external cam and was a little disappointed when i found out that the ship wreck is simply removed from the game world as soon as it reaches a certain depth. I also shared your feeling of disorientation down there. It's very unnerving when you neither can see the bottom nor the surface of the ocean.

Here's the best view i got from that incident... it's my wallpaper at the moment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img193.exs.cx/img193/3672/snap154be.jpg

This one's also very nice:

http://img193.exs.cx/img193/6491/snap122wr.jpg


@Bane_v2 & Beeryus

What you fail to realize is the fact that everytime i say "K-12", i actually mean "K-19". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Of course you're right. "Numbers and me" is a long sad story, no one wants to hear, trust me on that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kuniworth
03-30-2005, 03:02 PM
Yes going deep is scary as hell.

Another thing I don't like is when you sneak around harbors at night looking for capital ships and collide with something and can't move.

Happened to me while looking for Nelson. I did not dare look through the periscope as I was afraid that I was very close to the ship. As it happened I got stuck near a pir inside the harbour. Scary whn you cant move and dont got the free camera to help you out.

Dont know...got some phobia about these things I guess.

Charlie901
03-30-2005, 03:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
Your story made me think of that sub/horror movie several years back called "Below".

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JKWG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Awesome movie B.T.W.!!!

subzero1944
03-30-2005, 03:43 PM
I can completely understand your "creeps".. After being at sea for nearly 8 years (merchant navy) some of the most frightening things that happened in my life occured then, one particular time that burns in my mind was when we were about 300 miles off hawaii.

We had been warned to strap everything down that was not already secure, about an hour later a storm hit us,the type of which I had never experienced before or after, the winds were gusting at over 80 knts and the sea was a boiling couldron, each big wave that hit us was like thunder as it smashed into the ship,This was a very large passenger Liner but it was tossed about like a cork in a shaken bottle..I honestly thought, "This is it, the next wave that hits must turn us over"

some of the crew were old hands and had been at sea over 20 years but they had not experienced anything like that night..Very Very frightening !

The sea can be very "creepy" make no mistake, but of course it can also be very beautiful, such power exists.

dasgespenst
03-30-2005, 03:45 PM
Count me in. I followed at destroyer to about 80 meters, and there on the edge of eternal darkness, it slowly laid itself to rest forever on one side, and as it did so, released a zillion air bubbles. Creepy is the word.

Reminds me of something that happened to me in SH 2; I was trying to sneak away from Scapa Flow at night, an bumped into something. It was dark and I got up on the bridge to see. There was nothing so I turned around, and actually jumped in my chair when I saw a rock towering itself some 15 feet above me like some silent entity. If I could, I would have thrown the navigator overboard with a phone booth 'round his neck...

Johnny_JG2
03-30-2005, 03:57 PM
You want to know what is REALLY creepy? Going to test depth on a REAL submarine!

I've been to test depth countless times on the USS DRUM (SSN 677), and I'm telling you it's spooky. The hull is popping and creaking, and you know that if just one hull valve gives at that depth, everyone in that compartment will be knocked out instantly- from the sudden, and huge increase in air pressure. No hope of surviving if one of the larger valves went out- just straight to Davy Jones Locker.

If there was a pin-hole leak at test depth, it could decapitate or dismember you if you walked thru it. :0

I've been at test depth directly above the Mariannas Trench!! :0 We would be lost forever..

Dominicrigg
03-30-2005, 04:16 PM
Uhhh that below film is shockingly bad, really dont waste any hours of your life on it...

But yes i also get freaked by the deep water. I cant swim and once jumped out of a canoe a few miles out to sea with a life jacket on. It was cool for 10 seconds then my brain went "der der... Der deeer der... dum dum dum dum Da da dalaaaaaaa!!!! (jaws theme...) and i thought about giant squid and all the grabby clingy seaweed and shouted to my mate "ok get back here arggghhhh" and climbed back in fast. I find watching the sub cool but going too deep freaky.

Markone1
03-30-2005, 04:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I cant swim and once jumped out of a canoe a few miles out to sea with a life jacket on. It was cool for 10 seconds then my brain went "der der... Der deeer der... dum dum dum dum Da da dalaaaaaaa!!!! (jaws theme...) and i thought about giant squid and all the grabby clingy seaweed and shouted to my mate "ok get back here arggghhhh" and climbed back in fast. I find watching the sub cool but going too deep freaky. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL!......I do the same thing when waiting for the ski boat to pick me up....in a "Lake".

Not sure if I could handle actually being in the ocean.......too creepy for me.

Johnny_JG2
03-30-2005, 06:19 PM
We had a swim call once- in the MIDDLE OF THE PACIFIC OCEAN!!

We had a Shark Watch stationed with an M14, but I didn't care.. I jumped in, and climbed out right away. I was scared a giant squid would pull me down. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SickbayTiffy
03-30-2005, 06:53 PM
I was in HMCS Terra Nova and we went full stop off Bermuda so the crew could go swiming. I didn't because it was over 2 miles deep!

I find that I don't like using the free camera to look deeper than the level my Uboat is at. I get the same creepy fear I had that day I realized there was 2 miles of water under me.

blue_76
03-30-2005, 07:02 PM
i like to swim in the ocean, even if its deep waters.. but i have to admit, after seeing jaws for the first time took me several weeks till i could go back to swimming again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lovo_Kasistan
03-30-2005, 07:05 PM
Maybe we should petition the devs to implement something like giant squids or even Ctulhu.

I wouldn't leave the harbour anymore... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Johnny_JG2
03-30-2005, 07:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lovo_Kasistan:
Maybe we should petition the devs to implement something like giant squids or even Ctulhu.

I wouldn't leave the harbour anymore... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heck, me either- that stuff is spooky.

http://www.kentakara.com/TwilightFool/Art/Paintings/1998/Images/P_AttackSquid.jpg

Lovo_Kasistan
03-30-2005, 07:47 PM
I bet that if they would put one of those into the game the watchcrew wouldn't sneak out anymore on their own when I would save and load a game.

This would mean that if they remain inside the boat after patch 1.2 that the devs put something horrible out there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


I have my Ritterkreuz, may I retire now? Please?!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

billclarke1
03-30-2005, 07:56 PM
Seeing those screen shots, raised the question, do the turrets fall out when they turn over (as they should) in the capital ships ?

BaneSixEcho
03-30-2005, 08:02 PM
I prefer the water to be really deep when swimming. I was on vacation with my parents and we were crossing Lake Huron from Michigan to Canada. We furled the sails somewhere in the middle of the lake and went for a swim. I remember looking at the depth meter and all it was doing was blinking (meaning the water was deeper than it could measure).

The one thing I remember most was feeling the difference in water temperature from the surface down to however deep I went when I dove in. It got cold quick. Even that kinda freaked me out a little bit.

Another thing that was kind of weird... I was at the helm and the depth meter had been blinking for quite some time. From out of nowhere...

*blink*

*blink*

*50 feet*

*blink*

*blink*

WTF was that?!

Capt._Tenneal
03-30-2005, 08:11 PM
Sometimes just being on the surface knowing I'm in the middle of the North Sea or Atlantic can feel creepy. Just you and the watch crew, your boat (especially if it's the cramped Type IIa), and all that ocean especially at night.

Then you get those nights where the sea is choppy and there's mist on the water....

Trink_Afri-Cola
03-30-2005, 08:32 PM
You wonder what they thought back then.

NaturalBornGoth
03-30-2005, 09:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by billclarke1:
Seeing those screen shots, raised the question, do the turrets fall out when they turn over (as they should) in the capital ships ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope... they stay in place.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-30-2005, 09:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lovo_Kasistan:
Maybe we should petition the devs to implement something like giant squids or even Ctulhu.

I wouldn't leave the harbour anymore... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, Cthulhu would be cool. Speaking of which, has anyone here seen the movie "Dagon" - the first movie to really capture that Lovecraftian horror, and the only movie I've ever seen where someone's face gets slowly torn off. It's a cinematic moment for the ages.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-30-2005, 09:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bane_v2:
*blink*

*blink*

*50 feet*

*blink*

*blink*

WTF was that?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dagon? Cthulhu? Or maybe just a whale. Either way, cool!

malkuth
03-30-2005, 09:29 PM
Bunch of wimps.

blue_76
03-30-2005, 09:36 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Dagon, yeah I've seen it and I enjoyed it quite a bit! though it was a long time ago.. as I remember it had something to do with a sea god and a fishing village with people who turned into some sort of monsters.. wasn't there a drunken old man in the village who was the only one not afflicted? can't remember the details, but yeah, I remember it was fun movie.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-30-2005, 09:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blue_76:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Dagon, yeah I've seen it and I enjoyed it quite a bit! though it was a long time ago.. as I remember it had something to do with a sea god and a fishing village with people who turned into some sort of monsters.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah. I think it was actually based on Lovecraft's short story "The Shadow over Innsmouth". My favourite Lovecraft story has to be "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward". I just love the idea of a guy living for 600 years and slowly becoming more and more corrupt. I also loved the way Lovecraft had the cabal of ancient guys writing to one another in olde fashioned English - very atmospheric.

Lovo_Kasistan
03-30-2005, 09:49 PM
I already started to wonder who would make a whole film from the "Dagon" story. It is rather short and nobody gets their faces peeled of but I still like it.

Although, should I ever get the message from my WO that we stoped moving and that we now sit on solid land with tons of dead fish on I will use the Flak on myself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ltforce
03-30-2005, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dasgespenst:
Count me in. I followed at destroyer to about 80 meters, and there on the edge of eternal darkness, it slowly laid itself to rest forever on one side, and as it did so, released a zillion air bubbles. Creepy is the word.

Reminds me of something that happened to me in SH 2; I was trying to sneak away from Scapa Flow at night, an bumped into something. It was dark and I got up on the bridge to see. There was nothing so I turned around, and actually jumped in my chair when I saw a rock towering itself some 15 feet above me like some silent entity. If I could, I would have thrown the navigator overboard with a phone booth 'round his neck... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


lol that mission was sick, i was sitting on the end of my chair the entire time, i had no problems ran submerged the whole time too many destroyers around lol, but i was worried wasnt sure if they detailed the ww1 ships they scuttled the make the scapa flow impossible to get in if u were a sub but i guess they didnt i was lucky

billclarke1
03-30-2005, 10:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NaturalBornGoth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by billclarke1:
Seeing those screen shots, raised the question, do the turrets fall out when they turn over (as they should) in the capital ships ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope... they stay in place. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well that's inaccurate.

VoidChoice
03-30-2005, 10:04 PM
Ive not read this whole thread yet but on the subject of films:

Has anyone seen "We dive at dawn"?, featuring a british submarine crew who go to normay to sink a ship i think. Great film, black an white tho.

WargamerScott
03-30-2005, 11:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Anyway, i already own some other submarine-movies:

- Das Boot
- K-19: The Widowmaker
- Crimson Tide
- Hunt for Red October

"Ice Station Zebra" is about to be released in May.

Any more recommendations?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you want a film of submarine warfare from the POV of the surface escorts I highly recommend The Cruel Sea. Great film about the ships that were charged with keeping the convoys safe.

WargamerScott
03-30-2005, 11:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VoidChoice:
Ive not read this whole thread yet but on the subject of films:

Has anyone seen "We dive at dawn"?, featuring a british submarine crew who go to normay to sink a ship i think. Great film, black an white tho. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that the one about the crew of the P-64 (I think)? If yes, yup, I have it on tape but never knew the title because I recorded it about 5 minutes into the film! LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I like that movie because it has a really detailed demonstration of how a sub crew sets-up an attack on a vessel.

Indianer.
03-31-2005, 01:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scootertgm:
I get creeped out by taking the camera underwater too deep also. I know at least one other who is the same.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


lol...same here.

VicemanFIN
03-31-2005, 01:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by der|zerst0rer|:
Thank God, I thought I was the only one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
I just can't take the camera down more than 50-60 meters. As stated - it's far too creepy! Who knows what the heck you might find down there...brrrr.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Hail to the Devs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geesh, you have more courage than i, actually i thought also that am I the only covard here.

But seriously, i get some creeps when swimming in real if i dont see the bottom of water. There must be some instincts in human nature what tell's us to be careful about these kind of things. Someone just broke some rules and built up a sim which reveals our deepest fears. You will be punished in hell for this! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

fokker051
03-31-2005, 01:57 AM
Anyway, i already own some other submarine-movies:

- Das Boot
- K-19: The Widowmaker
- Crimson Tide
- Hunt for Red October

"Ice Station Zebra" is about to be released in May.

Any more recommendations?



How about the movie Murphy's war? I can't remember who was in the movie. Peter O'toole? Good movie though. I Remember him hunting the uboat on the river. Didn't he use a Grumman duck to hunt it? Not sure if this movie is released on DVD though.

dasgespenst
03-31-2005, 03:26 AM
Question: I saw a submarine captain on som TV channel telling about cruising in the deep on modern submarines.

He told that sometimes when they were travelling quite deep and just cruising ahead, something could be felt rocking the ship. Not violently, but noticeable.

He couldn't tell what it was - noone knows. Anyone here ever heard of that ?

Also, can someone tell me what "the Jesus Christ Factor" is ? I think it has something to do with speed vs. curve when turning, but I'm not sure.

I'd love to know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pr0metheus 1962
03-31-2005, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fokker051:
How about the movie Murphy's war? I can't remember who was in the movie. Peter O'toole? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, that was him. Another good movie that I'd forgotten about. As I recall it was filmed on the Orinonco River. It's sort of a remake of the African Queen.

Leif...
03-31-2005, 07:32 AM
The blink, blink, 50feet, blink, blink phenomena is quite common. It€s a fishfinder in modern hype term. With an older system with only alarm one would simple set the alarm way over the ground and whenever you got a BIP there you have some fish. A modern €œfishfinder€ would display a fish on the screen.

Leif€¦

Capt._Tenneal
03-31-2005, 07:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bane_v2:

Another thing that was kind of weird... I was at the helm and the depth meter had been blinking for quite some time. From out of nowhere...

*blink*

*blink*

*50 feet*

*blink*

*blink*

WTF was that?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mentioned that you were on Lake Huron already, but dang if you were in Lake Champlain, I'd say your depth meter might have detected Champ, the local Lake Creature. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BaneSixEcho
03-31-2005, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
You mentioned that you were on Lake Huron already, but dang if you were in Lake Champlain, I'd say your depth meter might have detected Champ, the local Lake Creature. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
How cool would that be? Pretty darn cool... unless it decided it didn't like sailboats. That would be my luck.