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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:20 PM
Question to all virtual flight sim junkies.
Do you think flight simulations are whole alot more then just pure entertainment? Did you ever notice that situation awareness that simmers have is whole alot sharper then for average person? Did you catch yourself in the fact that when you drive..you can predict alot of things and maybe even survive rather unpleasent incident due to faster reaction and better thinking? Ever noticed that you can spot cops on your 6 or far upfront way before average person does? Am i imagining things or....not.
Was just thinking about that one the way to work...when i saw a cop and guy right next to me didn`t, poor bastige... And i don`t have a 20x20 vision...but i guess looking for little dots down below from 5-6km did some good, didn`t it? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:20 PM
Question to all virtual flight sim junkies.
Do you think flight simulations are whole alot more then just pure entertainment? Did you ever notice that situation awareness that simmers have is whole alot sharper then for average person? Did you catch yourself in the fact that when you drive..you can predict alot of things and maybe even survive rather unpleasent incident due to faster reaction and better thinking? Ever noticed that you can spot cops on your 6 or far upfront way before average person does? Am i imagining things or....not.
Was just thinking about that one the way to work...when i saw a cop and guy right next to me didn`t, poor bastige... And i don`t have a 20x20 vision...but i guess looking for little dots down below from 5-6km did some good, didn`t it? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:23 PM
I know what you mean.
I can swat wasps with my bare hands now.
My best was eight in one sortie...I mean picnic. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:30 PM
I find myself guaging deflection shots when I'm driving. A Mk108 would really help in getting through Bay Area traffic.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:34 PM
I thought I had a prowler last night at my house. So I grabbed a knife and went to the open door in the back. I stabbed what looked like a crouched figure. This morning there was a wounded DEER walking around eating our grass! Right in the place is stabbed the figure. You know how easily deer run away from humans! I stabbed one!

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09-17-2003, 07:35 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:43 PM
Boosher-PBNA wrote:
- I thought I had a prowler last night at my house. So
- I grabbed a knife and went to the open door in the
- back. I stabbed what looked like a crouched figure.
- This morning there was a wounded DEER walking around
- eating our grass! Right in the place is stabbed the
- figure. You know how easily deer run away from
- humans! I stabbed one!

What?!? You waited until morning to find out what you'd stabbed - TO DEATH!
Man you're scary!

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:45 PM
well, i notice it on our schoolyard (we are about 600 pupils, schoolyard is not very big), where i much faster spot people (especially teachers) than my comrades and the general way i think... sometimes i frighten them i guess /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:51 PM
You know I think your right. I have much better use from my third arm now. Before it used to just hang there, but now it seems so much more agile.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:24 PM
Its a well known fact that video games improve visual perception.

http://www.nature.com/nsu/030527/030527-5.html

there were several other links but they have since died http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
fps games in particular teach your brain to "see" things happening before they do, as well as track and predecit movement. Perception..

Some people are just born with this ability like Gretzky, he could just see a plays on the ice develop based on what he was seeing at the time. But it has also been proven that you can teach this, via fps video game. They "teach" your brain to do the same thing.

i remember seeing a show on DC about 3 years ago, it was a study on how Marines were training by playing team games of quake1. They actually showd groups of marines sitting behinde computers playing quake, training to percieve things better..

I am sure flight sims(especially combat sims) do the same thing, as you are tracking mulitple things at a time in your mind, and predicting the outcome and reacting accordingly.



Message Edited on 09/17/0307:29PM by Davinci..

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:26 PM
Extreme_One wrote:
- Boosher-PBNA wrote:
- What?!? You waited until morning to find out what
- you'd stabbed - TO DEATH!
- Man you're scary!

Ah, ah! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
The fact alone he just stabbed a "supposed to be" prowler is not scary, eh?

A.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:41 PM
Holy. You didn't know what was up, grabbed a knife, stabbed something, and then went inside? What if you had only wounded the prowler? This makes little sense.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:42 PM
Boosher-PBNA wrote:
- I thought I had a prowler last night at my house. So
- I grabbed a knife and went to the open door in the
- back. I stabbed what looked like a crouched figure.
- This morning there was a wounded DEER walking around
- eating our grass! Right in the place is stabbed the
- figure. You know how easily deer run away from
- humans! I stabbed one!
-


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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:47 PM
hmm a good prowler is a dead prowler.......


shoulda gone back to get your gun, finish the lump off.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:50 PM
While driving in curves I've caught myself thinking "I'd need this much deflection to get that bugger." And many times approximated distances using an imaginary Revi.


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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:40 PM
I have been playing video games all my life, and I really think that it helps my job, I draw 2 dimensional drawings of coolers.. engines piping and all kinds of stuff from 3 dimension objects.. and vice versa.

I have never had a problem drawing an isometric view of an object yet.

But does this have anything to do with video games.... well i think it does... I look at to many wire frame... sprites.. pixels and polygons in a day.. you kinda get used to em, and makes drawing a 3d wire frame of a pump package easier.

Oh ... gtg back to work again, laters

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:45 PM
I get the neck pricklies going long before a bad traffic situation developes on the road. Like my SA is tracking everything and knows that a "problem" is about to unfold, and I start scanning around...


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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:04 PM
Thats kindda funny, but my senses go the same way...I avoided with ease 2 accidents that wr about to happen and I feel my reflexes r somehow faster then they used to be... dunno.
It´s just what I feel

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:04 PM
Thats kindda funny, but my senses go the same way...I avoided with ease 2 accidents that wr about to happen and I feel my reflexes r somehow faster then they used to be... dunno.
It´s just what I feel...

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:09 PM
Sorry...new at this forums thing

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:47 PM
Scenario prediction will get better, probably on different levels depending on the type of game you play, and how often. One is able to "see" the development of a pattern and adapt to it somewhat beyond the average person.

This doesn't just work for video games but real life sports or repetitive actions such as where you might work. How do you think major league batters are able to hit 90+mph fastballs? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The downside is prolonged monitor exposure can reduce your eyesight.


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ShadowHawk__
09-17-2003, 10:48 PM
Holy cripes /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I agree, you get a better feel for things, driving being one of them.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:51 PM
Extreme_One wrote:
- Boosher-PBNA wrote:
-- I thought I had a prowler last night at my house. So
-- I grabbed a knife and went to the open door in the
-- back. I stabbed what looked like a crouched figure.
-- This morning there was a wounded DEER walking around
-- eating our grass! Right in the place is stabbed the
-- figure. You know how easily deer run away from
-- humans! I stabbed one!
-
- What?!? You waited until morning to find out what
- you'd stabbed - TO DEATH!
- Man you're scary!
-
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I'm not sure what's worse.......that Boosher waited till morning, or that he WENT BACK TO SLEEP.
I don't think I could sleep after stabbing some one/thing.
But, that's just me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:55 PM
I was always quicker than the average bear but, it has been scientifically proven that playing any type of video game greatly increases your hand and eye coordination.I think all internet game junkies are different from normal people.We are more aware of what is goin on around us from constantly watching our own asses on the net.Kudos to us! We make non-gamers look bad.
P.S. This is the best game I have ever owned and am more addicted to it than anything I can think of.Hell, I'd trade my wife in a minute for a FW-190 A-9 at my front door fully loaded with a garage full of extra ammo.Then again,who wouldnt?

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:34 PM
since certain aircraft roll so fast and stick yank with no airframe overstressing or blacking out or red out from constant rolling, you cannot really predict the plane path of flight.

still a great game but to me its just another flightsim made by people without flight experience. But its the best we have now and has the best graphics out of any flight sim currently out in the market.

They havent seemed to get it right since il2 sturmo but they seem to be working hard on getting everything as realistic as they can with much work needed in flightmodels maybe in 5-10 years with very highpoly models and when t1 is affordable for all we can have something outstanding and with realistic fms dms and gunnery effectness


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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:49 PM
> still a great game but to me its just another flightsim made by people without flight experience


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Oh - and I don't agree with you at all

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:52 PM
I guess even if i start discussion about pornstars, we eventually will end up on how IL2/FB badly modeled and how useless developers are....am i right Lead? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:55 PM
Actually, crazyivan1970, I think you`re right. Those of us , especially those who fly without icons have, I think, developed a higher sense of situation awareness, which may even be useful in R\L.

I showed a couple of my m8s some of the FB movies `Salvation` was one of them. Even though they thought it was good, they said they didn`t actually have a clue what was going on. It appeared really obvious to me! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Joking aside, I think it really has some effect on our every day perception.



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:45 AM
Wow!! And I tought I was going crazy. A couple of weeks ago I told my girlfriend that because of FB, I was more aware of my sorroundings when driving.She just laughed at me.
Well, I guess I'm not the only crazy one.=)

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:52 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- since certain aircraft roll so fast and stick yank
- with no airframe overstressing or blacking out or
- red out from constant rolling, you cannot really
- predict the plane path of flight.
-
- still a great game but to me its just another
- flightsim made by people without flight experience.
- But its the best we have now and has the best
- graphics out of any flight sim currently out in the
- market.
-
- They havent seemed to get it right since il2 sturmo
- but they seem to be working hard on getting
- everything as realistic as they can with much work
- needed in flightmodels maybe in 5-10 years with very
- highpoly models and when t1 is affordable for all we
- can have something outstanding and with realistic
- fms dms and gunnery effectness


Doesnt Oleg have a pilots license? Maybe you mean without WW2 flight experience..... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:34 AM
i dont know if oleg does, I have never seen him say he does or seen photos of him flying,

bearcat99 im sure you can name 5 essentials in actual propellar flight thats missing from fb if your a pilot. I dont mean to mock oleg in anyway i like the sim and enjoy it, Im just not one who brownnoses him or just becuase i spoke to him a couple times think hes a friend like many of the people on here

"cough TAZ"

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:14 AM
I only drive motorcycles, no car license. But had to drive a heavy tractor in the yard last year and I swear I was better at it than the other guys because I had "experience" (cough-cough) flying the heavies in FS2002. No kidding. The whole idea of a heavy nachine taking time to start and stop and turn. Really.

And... the damn tractor had no brakes, lousy hydraulics, warped stearing and a cracked windshield. Battle damage like in Il2. Ha! I was just used to it.



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:42 AM
Its funny you mentioned that Ivan. I feel the same way. I definately have faster reflexes after I started playing this sim. My situational awareness when I drive is also sharper. I thought I was imagining it, but its true! Real cool!

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:49 AM
To get back to the topic of the thread though yeah my SA on the road is way up....waaaay up.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:09 AM
yes, you are imagining it.

Tedious unoriginal wooly philoshophical statement the pith of which is lost in repetition.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 05:23 AM
It has definatly changed the way I think. I am a constuction worker. My boss can be a rather large A hole. I often calculate deflection angle and wish my nailgun was a Hispano 20mm

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 05:33 AM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- but i guess looking for little dots down
- below from 5-6km did some good, didn`t it?

Stop flying that high ya bastage!

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:30 PM
i dunno - I think my eyesight might be getting worse since playing this game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I do finding myself checking my six more often on the highway http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:42 PM
I drive 60 miles each way to work and back on the M3 and M25 (south west of London). No major prangs.

Yes, flight sims do increase awareness. A point that will be made to Mrs Bad Gerbil!

But do they make you more aggressive? Not having a high performance car, I don't have the luxury of kicking a..s on the motorway.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:22 PM
....... Yes, flight Sims and videogames increase awareness, reflexes and driving ability, but... since I play until 4:00am and sleep just 3 hours per night, I don't really feel very aware.... what was I talking about?
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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:46 PM
Last night I was shoot down by a Stuka in my mig, I guess I haven`t learned a damm thing!

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:30 PM
Aeronautico wrote:
- Extreme_One wrote:
-- Boosher-PBNA wrote:
-- What?!? You waited until morning to find out what
-- you'd stabbed - TO DEATH!
-- Man you're scary!
-
- Ah, ah! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
- The fact alone he just stabbed a "supposed to be"
- prowler is not scary, eh?
-
- A.

Huh?! Of course it's not scary. What are you talking about?




Message Edited on 09/18/0301:31PM by BlitzPig_DDT

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:34 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- "and when t1 is affordable for all...."

T1s are slow. Many good cable connections are at or above 1.54Mbps. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:35 PM
Driving down the street the other day, slowing for a stoplight up ahead, I was thinking "man, I need ILS gauges in here", seriously... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:42 PM
Tests have shown that games in general on your console or on your PC speed up reaction times and improve visual awareness as well as boost your problem solving abilities and snap decision making abilities.

I've been playing flight sims since...well since I could which was a young age. I probably cannot tell the difference between myself without that experience in learning SA and with the experience. You can negate much of the blindspot disadvantages in a car by using SA to help you keep track of cars, where they are, what speeds their moving at, and what potential threats some of the cars pose to you.

Many people don't believe that games like these and others actually have a benefit but its been shown by tests that it does and in more ways than one.

FB really gives you that SA boost that can be useful.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:12 PM
I'll use the SA enhancing thing on my wife, in an attempt to get more stick time.

If I explain it makes my daily ride to work safer on my motor cycle (better hide the life insurance policies again /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ).

Noticed the change in reaction times and all round observation skills.

Got to paint cross hairs on the windshield though. And try not to get target fixation! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 09/18/0303:13PM by B16Enk