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Miki40
04-26-2006, 04:21 AM
Is this a new trend!? or a one off mistake! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
04-26-2006, 04:37 AM
Pay for a patch? Why? Just because the version number is changed?

No, you pay for a lot of good content added to the main game. The different version is an excellent way to determine, if you have the addon or not, cause you won't be able to play on 4.05 servers without the addon.

Considering the work put into this addon, please don't even consider to compare it with BF2-EF!

Miki40
04-26-2006, 04:44 AM
Btw, where I can see a proper readme file of this good content? before I spend more money on this title.

Pig_Mac
04-26-2006, 05:04 AM
When it's available?

Or you can check out a little preview at Simhq
http://www.simhq.com/_air6/air_216a.html

JG53Frankyboy
04-26-2006, 05:20 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1381086634

Bearcat99
04-26-2006, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by Miki40:
Is this a new trend!? or a one off mistake! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Actually the "new trend" was getting over a dozen free patches in the first place..... if you consider from FB 1.0 on. Mind you..... these were not just patches as in bug fixes.. they contained new content.... lots of it.... and they were all free..... If you took a look at FB 1.0, 2.0 & 3.0 .... and just added the fixes... and left out the new content.... we would have a heckuva different sim dontcha think? Now weigh in the new content... that was free... and if you want to get anal then look at Betty as a "promised plane we were owed" and take it off the "free" list ... still it is one h@lluva package I think.... so kicking up less than $20 for an add on that is solely new content (or primarily anyway.. I dont know about any fixes)is a small price to pay in the larger scheme of things... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

zaelu
04-26-2006, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by Miki40:
Btw, where I can see a proper readme file of this good content? before I spend more money on this title.

Do you have 404m version?

Well... here's a little info

1.00 Forgotten battles
2.00 Ace Expansion Pack (patches in between many with new content - FREE)
3.00 Pacific Fighters (patches in between many with new content - FREE)
4.00 New Flight Model Engine and other stuff - FREE (patches in between many with new content - FREE)
4.03 New Content (do I need to specify Do335 , Tempest, Ju-88, Machis etc ????) FREE

Now Three addons will come THEY WILL CHANGE THE VERSION OF THE GAME (wich is normal)... they are addons and they cost.

If you don't want them dont buy them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

JG53Frankyboy
04-26-2006, 07:19 AM
and after these "to pay for" AdOn there will be most propably at least one free AdOn/Patch/Upgrade with stuff like Maps (Norway, Burma, Italy, SLovakia) and free planes ( perhaps Fokker XXI , Ki-43-II cockpit .......)

but you need the 3 pas adons to enjoy this free adon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . as it was laready in the past , no Tempest or Mosquito without to buy PF before http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

mortoma
04-26-2006, 09:00 AM
A patch is to fix problems/bugs. An add-on is an upgrade that gives you more content. But add-ons still may include bugs fixes anyway if they are needed. No publisher is going to make you pay for a pure patch which just fixes bugs and glitches, including Ubi-Soft. Those are and should be free, since it's the developers fault there are bugs.

Still dazed and confused??? I hope I have clarified the matter sufficiently for you. Many of us will glady pay for an upgrade with added content. If you won't that's your problem.

Retrofit
04-26-2006, 09:34 AM
Somehow, the servers should allow those with the addon(s) and those without. If adding these extra missions/aircraft and if it affects the servers, this would break up the multiplayer community.

I haven't seen the addon specs for the servers. Does anyone know?

Troll2k
04-26-2006, 11:02 AM
The addon changes the version number.As in the past only like version numbers can play together online.You will need 4.05 to play on a 4.05 server.

Platypus_1.JaVA
04-26-2006, 12:50 PM
Uhhmmm... I always thought that Il-2 was version 1.0 and that FB was 2.0...

Skycat_2
04-26-2006, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
Uhhmmm... I always thought that Il-2 was version 1.0 and that FB was 2.0...

Actually, "IL-2 Sturmovik" was v1.0 through 1.2ov.

Then the series started over again and "IL-2 Sturmovik" was no longer supported. "Forgotten Battles" was released as v1.0 and its patches brought it up to v1.22. The "Ace Expansion Pack" was v2.0 (from CD-ROM) through 2.04 (from patches).

Bearcat99
04-26-2006, 03:18 PM
...and PF was version 3.0... or 3.0m....

The_Gog
04-26-2006, 04:43 PM
If this game was made right in the first place Bearcat, it would'nt need all these 'patches'.

This is a quick cash grab for something that should have been there all along!

Miki40
04-26-2006, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by zaelu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Miki40:
Btw, where I can see a proper readme file of this good content? before I spend more money on this title.

Do you have 404m version?

Well... here's a little info

1.00 Forgotten battles
2.00 Ace Expansion Pack (patches in between many with new content - FREE)
3.00 Pacific Fighters (patches in between many with new content - FREE)
4.00 New Flight Model Engine and other stuff - FREE (patches in between many with new content - FREE)
4.03 New Content (do I need to specify Do335 , Tempest, Ju-88, Machis etc ????) FREE

Now Three addons will come THEY WILL CHANGE THE VERSION OF THE GAME (wich is normal)... they are addons and they cost.

If you don't want them dont buy them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bine ma cuparale tu pe toate daca banii te dau afara din casa!
Majoritatea noastra jucam on-line iar daca versiunea jucului se schimba vor fi probleme cu cei care nu vor sa cumpere add-onul, iei nu vor putea conecta la jocurile 4.05, deci toata sau majoritatea lumii este obligata sa cumpere.
Nu te supara frumosule dar asta nu este afacere cinstita!

zoinks_
04-26-2006, 05:16 PM
bought the pacific fighters in dec 2005. no one online so i buy the gold pack. ok. 3 dedicated df servers to the pacific theatre with very few pilots. VPF started and is in beta. problem is the missions only happen around 10am - 2pm my time. i flew 1 mission after waiting over an hour and never even fired my guns. i'll save my opinions on the ai here, but i rarely fly offline now.

with the pacific ignored i find myself playing less. just bought elder scrolls yesterday and i'm not even interested in rpg stuff.

i'll keep 4.04 going as long as i can since nothing i spend will improve my gameplay.

96th_Nightshifter
04-26-2006, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by The_Gog:
This is a quick cash grab for something that should have been there all along!

OMG http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif You don't want it..........don't buy it, however if you would like more content for your game then buy it - pretty simple really.
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it just like nobody forced anyone to buy Pacific Fighters and merge it with FB + AEP. There is no difference here apart from the PE2 addon is not stand alone like PF was/is.
Patches are free so no "cash grab" there - expansions are NOT "something that should have been there all along!" since this is indeed an expansion which as far as I am aware are always paid for and are by there very name an "expansion" (see here for details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack) ) then how should this content have been there all along?
Sorry but I see no "cash grab" anywhere.

Ernst_Rohr
04-26-2006, 06:20 PM
If this game was made right in the first place Bearcat, it would'nt need all these 'patches'.

This is a quick cash grab for something that should have been there all along!


Thats absolute nonsense.

We are sitting at 200+ planes, and your saying that IL2 "isnt done right"? That all the additional content Oleg has provided should have been "there all along"?

Troll.

I think your spot under your bridge is missing you.....

shinden1974
04-26-2006, 06:36 PM
well, even if it was a cash grab...

GOG! you're the only smart one! Good thing you won't be taken in while these stupid fools 'enjoy' themselves spending their money anyway they damned please!

no nightshifter! you're wrong, If I don't want it and it wasn't right from the get go, then what I should be doing is wasting my time in the forum of a game that 'isn't right' complaining about it!

What are you talking about ernst! If oleg put in FM, we'd have all content at once! FM is all wrong!(FM-F'ing Magic)

I'm sick in the head Gog! you've got to save me, in a couple of days Oleg's going to come to my house and force me to buy more of his **** at gunpoint like he did you!!

The_Gog
04-26-2006, 06:38 PM
Yes, this game is NOT done right! It is full of planes that no-one flies, it is missing planes that were pivotal to the war.

If the right planes were in the game from the start, then there wouldn't be a need for all these add-ons or whatever you like to call them. Think of all the time that was wasted in creating the 50% of aircraft that just don't get used that could have been better directed at getting aircraft that should have been in the game when it was first released....planes like the Mosquito, Pe-2, Ju88, G4M and so on and on and on!

Oh, and just because I think this whole paid add-on is a bad idea doesn't mean you won't see me on-line with 4.05! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

SeaFireLIV
04-26-2006, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Miki40:
Is this a new trend!? or a one off mistake! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


A pity that once these rumours start they tend to refuse to die.

HOWZAT_99
04-26-2006, 08:15 PM
I would happily buy this addon... if it wasn't only pay to download.

I think the only reason it is pay to download is that it has been rushed out. I am going to wait to see what others think before I even consider buying this update, which I probably wont, unless it comes out in the shops.

I am not hating the extra content, only the way they are selling it. Why are they trying to split the community? They know that this will not be accessable to many of us!

Gog is right though in a sense, I often wondered why there wasn't another Russian level bomber in this game, as the Russians only have the antiqued TB-3.

Bearcat99
04-26-2006, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by The_Gog:
If this game was made right in the first place Bearcat, it would'nt need all these 'patches'.

This is a quick cash grab for something that should have been there all along!

Not true..... Most flight sims have needed patches..... its just that most flight sims dont produce them.... You buy the sim out of the box and it is what it is.. you might get one or maybe two patches... then it's sayonnara baby... except for the P2P sims... and there you are of course constantly paying.... 3 years of Warbirds or FAIII or Aces High... even at the rock bottom price of $10 a month is still $360.... which of course comes no where near to what I have here even at full price for all 3 sims. Considering the varied planeset and the fact that I dont have to worry about some hopped up jet in a 109 skin.... I like it.. I think it is still the best WWII sim available .... abd for the price and what you get it is a steal.



Originally posted by The_Gog:
Yes, this game is NOT done right! It is full of planes that no-one flies, it is missing planes that were pivotal to the war.

If the right planes were in the game from the start, then there wouldn't be a need for all these add-ons or whatever you like to call them. Think of all the time that was wasted in creating the 50% of aircraft that just don't get used that could have been better directed at getting aircraft that should have been in the game when it was first released....planes like the Mosquito, Pe-2, Ju88, G4M and so on and on and on!


So what are you cryin about!! You got them now..... AFAIC the only planes missing from this sim as flyables are the Avenger, the B-17 and a Japanese Torp plane... I think considering the diverse planeset and the quality of the overall FMs.. even if some planes are questionable in some areas speaks for itself and renders both your tposts in the highly suspect troll zone........ that and this statement...


Originally posted by The_Gog:
Oh, and just because I think this whole paid add-on is a bad idea doesn't mean you won't see me on-line with 4.05!

smokincrater
04-27-2006, 04:22 AM
And to think being half pissed from ANZAC day parades,seeing someone refer to 4.05 as a paid patche and opening pandoras box! oh my! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Brain32
04-27-2006, 05:36 AM
The funniest and in the same time the sadest thing in threads like this is that it seems nobody really remembers how all this started. About one year ago when Oleg announced the end of support for FB in the near future, it was already mentiond that there will be some Russian add-ons which were NOT planned for the western market at all, because they expected no interest for some Russian bombers and some Russian "UFO stuff".

What happened?

A whole ****1n' campaign was started to get that add-ons to us, there were polls, people were having "Russian add-ons for western market" signatures, things like "Please Oleg give it to us, we are interested we would be happy to pay for it", "Please, please, please, marry me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif"....

What we have now: "Whaaaaaaaaat, I have to pay for this?!?, WTF should I suppose to do with some Russian bomber, what is this, they only want to squeze some last cents from us, bla, bla, bla..."

Un - ****1ng believable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Spider_439th
04-27-2006, 08:09 AM
And there it goes again! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Whining about free and supposed to be free http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

We have to support Oleg work, every work deserve salary.

I hope Oleg will continue to develop those add-on until BOB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I will buy it for sure !

BanaBob
04-27-2006, 08:25 AM
I'll pay for an Avenger. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Miki40
04-27-2006, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Spider_439th:
And there it goes again! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Whining about free and supposed to be free http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

We have to support Oleg work, every work deserve salary.

I hope Oleg will continue to develop those add-on until BOB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I will buy it for sure !

It`s all business but have to be fair!
People which do decide not to buy should still be able to join servers v.4.05 in online play! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

WOLFMondo
04-27-2006, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
The funniest and in the same time the sadest thing in threads like this is that it seems nobody really remembers how all this started. About one year ago when Oleg announced the end of support for FB in the near future, it was already mentiond that there will be some Russian add-ons which were NOT planned for the western market at all, because they expected no interest for some Russian bombers and some Russian "UFO stuff".

What happened?

A whole ****1n' campaign was started to get that add-ons to us, there were polls, people were having "Russian add-ons for western market" signatures, things like "Please Oleg give it to us, we are interested we would be happy to pay for it", "Please, please, please, marry me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif"....

What we have now: "Whaaaaaaaaat, I have to pay for this?!?, WTF should I suppose to do with some Russian bomber, what is this, they only want to squeze some last cents from us, bla, bla, bla..."

Un - ****1ng believable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

I hear ya Brain. 'Tis daft ain't it.

ojcar1971
04-27-2006, 08:32 AM
I'd love to have all the add ons (paying of course), but I'll only buy it on stores. I don't like to buy anything in internet. There is a lot of people like me. It's a pity, but I'm a bit paranoid about this. I prefere to pay it on stores

Tooz_69GIAP
04-27-2006, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Miki40:

It`s all business but have to be fair!
People which do decide not to buy should still be able to join servers v.4.05 in online play! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Erm.....I beg to differ with you on that one. If you hadn't bought AEP, you wouldn't be able to fly online with those who had it. If you hadn't bought PF, you wouldn't have been able to fly online with those who had bought it. And exactly the same is said for each patch we have downloaded. If you hadn't downloaded the updates, you can't fly online with those who did download the updates. Simple.

And so it is for every online game out there, whether it's Medal of Honour, BF 1942, or whatever, you need to keep up with the updates to play with those others who have the updates.

It would be nice to be able to play in the same servers, but it's just not possible. So, you have a choice: get the add-on, or don't get the add-on. Pretty simple in my mind.

idahosniper
04-27-2006, 11:34 AM
Other than the Pe-2, does anyone know what other flyable planes we will be getting in this add on?

shinden1974
04-27-2006, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
The funniest and in the same time the sadest thing in threads like this is that it seems nobody really remembers how all this started. About one year ago when Oleg announced the end of support for FB in the near future, it was already mentiond that there will be some Russian add-ons which were NOT planned for the western market at all, because they expected no interest for some Russian bombers and some Russian "UFO stuff".

What happened?

A whole ****1n' campaign was started to get that add-ons to us, there were polls, people were having "Russian add-ons for western market" signatures, things like "Please Oleg give it to us, we are interested we would be happy to pay for it", "Please, please, please, marry me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif"....

What we have now: "Whaaaaaaaaat, I have to pay for this?!?, WTF should I suppose to do with some Russian bomber, what is this, they only want to squeze some last cents from us, bla, bla, bla..."

Un - ****1ng believable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Well,this is why I dislike the word 'community' when we talk about people who post on these message boards. Everyone gets lumped together into some homogenous organism when the truth is the guys who want the add-on and the guys who whine about it are totally seperate people with nothing in common.

When I get a fruitcake from Ivan before christmas, I'll consider us a 'community'.

Dean3238
04-27-2006, 12:23 PM
When I get a fruitcake from Ivan before christmas, I'll consider us a 'community'.

Oh, way to _ruin_ the surprise, dude. Ivan, take the cake back to the store. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Dean

nearmiss
04-27-2006, 12:41 PM
Well boyz and gurlz... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I've spent over $150 just with Oleg/Ubi on this one sim since the beginning. You say what you want, but it's the same application as IL2 with graphic embellishments. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Sorry, two Russian Bombers and some more graphic stuff isn't going to cut it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

I realize if I want to go online there will probably only be servers that work with PE-2 add-on. If so, I guess I'll just do another WW2 Online thingy until BOB. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

I won't be missed... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

shinden1974
04-27-2006, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Miki40:

It`s all business but have to be fair!
People which do decide not to buy should still be able to join servers v.4.05 in online play! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I'm going to try not to be rude here...but where do you get this sense of entitlement?

...RANT *ON*

It's 'fair' for you to have access to 4.05 server without paying for it? I guess people who didn't fork over the cash for PF are really screwed! With this logic they should give the entire game away for free! oh wait...much of the game IS free! Most online gamers have to pay for the servers in other games, you pay once for PE-2 and never pay a dime to get online...want to pay for play? doubt it.

I'm sorry, but your attitude is a classic case of what really happens when you give someone a lot of free stuff. I'm sure oleg thinks to himself "we'll make patch for free, fans will love it and appreciate all our hard work and dedication"...most people would, but there's you and maybe a few others..."NOT FAIR!" when we get another add-on that they dare put a price on.

here's a few points to the whiners:

1) Oleg doesn't owe you squat, the only guys who can claim anything are people who made content for this sim that was sold.

2) You don't own this thing. If Oleg wanted to put a banner on the splash page that said "everyone who whines about my sim can eat ****" he can, and all you can do is come here and do both. He can make an add-on called "Il-1: jack-squat add-on" and sell it if he likes.

3)If you think this sim is ****...and you bought it, and all the add-ons, and downloaded all the patches...well...maybe you should listen to that small part of yourself that is saying, "Why am I buying all this **** that I hate?" If you truly hated this thing you wouldn't even be here. Truth is, Gog, you LOVE this sim and breathe it when you wake up. That guy who thinks Oleg is still fighting the cold war is in the same boat.

RANT *off*

SeaFireLIV
04-27-2006, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by shinden1974:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
The funniest and in the same time the sadest thing in threads like this is that it seems nobody really remembers how all this started. About one year ago when Oleg announced the end of support for FB in the near future, it was already mentiond that there will be some Russian add-ons which were NOT planned for the western market at all, because they expected no interest for some Russian bombers and some Russian "UFO stuff".

What happened?

A whole ****1n' campaign was started to get that add-ons to us, there were polls, people were having "Russian add-ons for western market" signatures, things like "Please Oleg give it to us, we are interested we would be happy to pay for it", "Please, please, please, marry me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif"....

What we have now: "Whaaaaaaaaat, I have to pay for this?!?, WTF should I suppose to do with some Russian bomber, what is this, they only want to squeze some last cents from us, bla, bla, bla..."

Un - ****1ng believable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Well,this is why I dislike the word 'community' when we talk about people who post on these message boards. Everyone gets lumped together into some homogenous organism when the truth is the guys who want the add-on and the guys who whine about it are totally seperate people with nothing in common.

. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True point. Brain32 makes it look as if the whole community agreed to one thing, then switched, schizophrenic style, to complain about paying for a Russian add on.

I`m one who wanted the add-on, my only concern is having to pay online where I`d prefer to pay in a retail store. But it seems I may be able to get it from online anyway.

nickdanger3
04-27-2006, 01:03 PM
$150 for 5 years of fun....what does that work out to? Like .08 CENTS A DAY? You can't even leave the lights on for that kind of money.

I really don't get what all the fuss is about.

Offliners who don't want it have absolutely nothing to complain about.

The only people who have a legitimate complaint are those who will be prevented from joining online games because they do not want to spend money on the PE-2 Add-On.

But in order to play online they are already paying what...$20/mo and up for connectivity.

We're talking about $17 people. Not much. Less than a month of service from an ISP. Two tickets to the movies. A music CD. Dinner for ONE at Denny's?

Is free better than $17. Yes. But let's keep this in perspective. It's a pittance to insure that you still get to indulge in a great, engrossing, fun pastime.

And Brain totally nailed it. After all of the "We want the paid add-on" hysterics, all this is hand wringing is ridiculous.

nearmiss
04-27-2006, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by nickdanger3:
$150 for 5 years of fun....what does that work out to? Like .08 CENTS A DAY? You can't even leave the lights on for that kind of money.

I really don't get what all the fuss is about.

Offliners who don't want it have absolutely nothing to complain about.

The only people who have a legitimate complaint are those who will be prevented from joining online games because they do not want to spend money on the PE-2 Add-On.

But in order to play online they are already paying what...$20/mo and up for connectivity.

We're talking about $17 people. Not much. Less than a month of service from an ISP. Two tickets to the movies. A music CD. Dinner for ONE at Denny's?

Is free better than $17. Yes. But let's keep this in perspective. It's a pittance to insure that you still get to indulge in a great, engrossing, fun pastime.

And Brain totally nailed it. After all of the "We want the paid add-on" hysterics, all this is hand wringing is ridiculous.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">You're so right my gosh look at all the fun we've had.</span>

We again get to buy an add-on, if we want to continue to enjoy our already spent but soon worthless $150+.

If Oleg/Ubi put up a server that didn't require us to buy the add-on I could care less, but that's not the way it's going work.

I'll be very honest here. I've appreciated every single patch we've received. I appreciate Oleg's efforts to produce what we enjoy. Maybe, if he/Ubi had just taken the time to put all the stuff together for a really worthwhile paid-for-add-on it would be easier to swallow this bitter pill.

Another interesting thing - I don't even know what they'e calling this add-on or where to buy it. We're supposed to buy something...and don't even know what it is.

Now... that's my take on this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

WWSensei
04-27-2006, 02:11 PM
Paying for an add-on is not new--not by a long shot. As far as charging for add-ons Oleg is a rank amateur.

Take FS2004 for instance. Original sim was around $40-$50 (US). Average cost of the software.

There was ONE patch for free.

Average cost of terrain upgrades for a geographic region is about $60 (US). The East Coast of the US would be considered one region.

Average cost of a SINGLE aircraft add-on is ~$25. I paid $34.95 for Cessna 172 and $34 for a T-37 Tweet. I paid because 99% of the free, community produced models suck and aren't worth the free price tag. I've actually gotten more decently done aircraft in the supposedly closed system of Oleg's sim (for far cheaper) than I have in the supposedly open mod system of FS2004.

I enjoy FS2004 because engine management is far more realistic (sorry Oleg, but your Complex Engine Management isn't really complex), locations are more diverse and the instrument procedures and weather are far superior. IL2 has generally better FMs (though the Tweet is, IMHO, better modelled to the real Tweet than any of Oleg's aircraft) and, of course, combat...

nearmiss
04-27-2006, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
Paying for an add-on is not new--not by a long shot. As far as charging for add-ons Oleg is a rank amateur.

Take FS2004 for instance. Original sim was around $40-$50 (US). Average cost of the software.

There was ONE patch for free.

Average cost of terrain upgrades for a geographic region is about $60 (US). The East Coast of the US would be considered one region.

Average cost of a SINGLE aircraft add-on is ~$25. I paid $34.95 for Cessna 172 and $34 for a T-37 Tweet. I paid because 99% of the free, community produced models suck and aren't worth the free price tag. I've actually gotten more decently done aircraft in the supposedly closed system of Oleg's sim (for far cheaper) than I have in the supposedly open mod system of FS2004.

I enjoy FS2004 because engine management is far more realistic (sorry Oleg, but your Complex Engine Management isn't really complex), locations are more diverse and the instrument procedures and weather are far superior. IL2 has generally better FMs (though the Tweet is, IMHO, better modelled to the real Tweet than any of Oleg's aircraft) and, of course, combat...

I enjoy the FS2004 and like yourself I've bought several add-on aircraft and sceneries. There a world of difference between Oleg's IL2 and the FS2004. So much so, I really wouldn't compare the two.

The IL2 aircraft are well done, but the little map thingy for navigation, and weather, and , and... as compared with FS2004. Not good!

We have paid just like with the FS2004, because since IL2 1.0 everything has just been a graphic embellishment or a fixing of things that should have been done in the first release. I've spent $150+ US so far in a pretty cooperative spirit along with everyone else.

I'd spend $150+ right now if we could get an FMB equal to the MSFT CFS2 or Jane's WW2 Fighters with dynamic weather (like in FS2004). A good misson builder would have made this a great sim for Off and Online play.

I'd love to spend $150 on a good mission builder forget the add-ons. We've got plenty of maps and aircraft to do a great job with the WW2 theatre now. We just don't have a mission builder that deals with all the good stuff we do have... <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">RIGHT NOW</span>

It would be great to build missions that have elements of unpredictablility and the ability to change things based on transpiring events.

As it is...the missions and campaigns are boring and predictable. If you want to DF that's about where everything winds up and on the deck, which is just like the ZONE was in CFS2. There just aren't as many options to cheat with Il2 series.

It's not about a paid-add-on, it's about the fact that if you want to continue to use what you have you'll buy it or not go online play.

It's also about the add-on items don't have any appeal to me. I mentioned before that Oleg/Ubi could have done a better job of selling this package, if it had more substance.

Platypus_1.JaVA
04-27-2006, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by nearmiss:


We have paid just like with the FS2004, because since IL2 1.0 everything has just been a graphic embellishment or a fixing of things that should have been done in the first release. I've spent $150+ US so far in a pretty cooperative spirit along with everyone else.


Yeah well, Il-2 is pretty d@man old for a game anyways. Options that are now in the game might never ever been heard of 5 years ago?

BFawlty
04-27-2006, 04:52 PM
I heard a RUMOR over at SIMHQ that there was a supposed AI fix in the add on. That smells like a patch to me. Why can't this "fix" be a free download. The "addon" is just that and is different, and if you want to buy it, thats cool, it supports Maddox games. As the thread subject says paying for patches, read fixes, is wrong IMHO. Having read Ian Boys review over at SIMHQ I will probably get it.

BF

Beirut
04-27-2006, 05:21 PM
I happily paid my $$$ for what came in the box at the moment I picked it up. Since then I've happily downloaded several free patches that included excellent new toys.

Now, the last time I gave the IL2 people any money was when PF came out. Since then I have given them nothing whatsoever yet they have given me lots of stuff. And even if that stuff isn't perfect, at least trying to be good to their customers. When's the last time you bought a couch at a store and then months later the store sent you more comfortable cushions for the couch along with a free coffee table? And then did it again months later?

We are not being badly treated.

Those guys need to make a living. If they feel the need to charge for an add-on, well, they have buy groceries for their kids too.

I'll pay for an add-on.

I've also paid for add-ons for FS2004. $50 for a Megascenery terrain add-on and $50 for a very detailed C-130. Fine with me. It's something I want to have right now in front of me so it's something I'm going to have to pay for.

Real life.

Bearcat99
04-27-2006, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by nearmiss:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nickdanger3:
$150 for 5 years of fun....what does that work out to? Like .08 CENTS A DAY? You can't even leave the lights on for that kind of money.

I really don't get what all the fuss is about.

Offliners who don't want it have absolutely nothing to complain about.

The only people who have a legitimate complaint are those who will be prevented from joining online games because they do not want to spend money on the PE-2 Add-On.

But in order to play online they are already paying what...$20/mo and up for connectivity.

We're talking about $17 people. Not much. Less than a month of service from an ISP. Two tickets to the movies. A music CD. Dinner for ONE at Denny's?

Is free better than $17. Yes. But let's keep this in perspective. It's a pittance to insure that you still get to indulge in a great, engrossing, fun pastime.

And Brain totally nailed it. After all of the "We want the paid add-on" hysterics, all this is hand wringing is ridiculous.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">You're so right my gosh look at all the fun we've had.</span>

We again get to buy an add-on, if we want to continue to enjoy our already spent but soon worthless $150+.

If Oleg/Ubi put up a server that didn't require us to buy the add-on I could care less, but that's not the way it's going work.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nick hit it right squarely on the head for the most part. Bottom line is if you dont want it dont buy it. Me? I am just glad it isnt a Russia only release... I am glad and thankful that I have access to the add on. All this BS just goes to show you..... you just cant please people.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

What part of PAID ADD ON dont some of these folks get? All of us who have spent any time here know that there are 3 PAID ADD ONS coming. We also know that these add ons are NOT just missions and skins... like BOE and COE and Barbarossa and the other 3rd party add ons, that you can choose not to buy and still fly with everyone who has the same version as you. These add ons have NEW CONTENT. New content means new version and incopmpatibility with previous versions. NO ONE HERE IS EVEN LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BEEN GETTING A STEADY DOSE OF NEW CONTENT FOR FREE SINCE IL2 FIRST CAME OUT...what.... 5 years now??!!
So now we are asked to actually pay for something...... something that is just new content no major bug fixes if any....... that I know of anyway..... and we have a few.. and you surprise me NM..... people who act like they have been robbed on the street or sold a false bill of goods. Give me a friggin break already!!!??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

As usual Oleg is d@mned if he does and d@mned if he doesnt.... If this add on and the three upcoming ones had been a Russia only release like it was originally planned we would have had a whole posse up in arms about it.... especially from my neck of the woods. Be glad that you can get it......

And I also have a question for NM and Sensei @ the FS add ons... and I am serious.. I dont know the answer.....

This great $25 Spitfire and Mustang for FS9... does it even have a damage model? Can you shoot the guns on it.... and have them actually hit something.... or is it a "fly only" plane? I suspect it is a fly only job........ but correct me if I am wrong..... I dont own FS9 so I havent a clue.

nearmiss
04-27-2006, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Beirut:
I happily paid my $$$ for what came in the box at the moment I picked it up. Since then I've happily downloaded several free patches that included excellent new toys.

Now, the last time I gave the IL2 people any money was when PF came out. Since then I have given them nothing whatsoever yet they have given me lots of stuff. And even if that stuff isn't perfect, at least trying to be good to their customers. When's the last time you bought a couch at a store and then months later the store sent you more comfortable cushions for the couch along with a free coffee table? And then did it again months later?

We are not being badly treated.

Those guys need to make a living. If they feel the need to charge for an add-on, well, they have buy groceries for their kids too.

I'll pay for an add-on.

I've also paid for add-ons for FS2004. $50 for a Megascenery terrain add-on and $50 for a very detailed C-130. Fine with me. It's something I want to have right now in front of me so it's something I'm going to have to pay for.

Real life.

I have lived long enough to know that I have opinions, with which others may or may not agree.

You might even convince me, given enough time and preparation to prepare an outstanding debate. Even if you did persuade me...you wouldn't have accomplished much. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

nearmiss
04-27-2006, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nearmiss:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nickdanger3:
$150 for 5 years of fun....what does that work out to? Like .08 CENTS A DAY? You can't even leave the lights on for that kind of money.

I really don't get what all the fuss is about.

Offliners who don't want it have absolutely nothing to complain about.

The only people who have a legitimate complaint are those who will be prevented from joining online games because they do not want to spend money on the PE-2 Add-On.

But in order to play online they are already paying what...$20/mo and up for connectivity.

We're talking about $17 people. Not much. Less than a month of service from an ISP. Two tickets to the movies. A music CD. Dinner for ONE at Denny's?

Is free better than $17. Yes. But let's keep this in perspective. It's a pittance to insure that you still get to indulge in a great, engrossing, fun pastime.

And Brain totally nailed it. After all of the "We want the paid add-on" hysterics, all this is hand wringing is ridiculous.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">You're so right my gosh look at all the fun we've had.</span>

We again get to buy an add-on, if we want to continue to enjoy our already spent but soon worthless $150+.

If Oleg/Ubi put up a server that didn't require us to buy the add-on I could care less, but that's not the way it's going work.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nick hit it right squarely on the head for the most part. Bottom line is if you dont want it dont buy it. Me? I am just glad it isnt a Russia only release... I am glad and thankful that I have access to the add on. All this BS just goes to show you..... you just cant please people.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

What part of PAID ADD ON dont some of these folks get? All of us who have spent any time here know that there are 3 PAID ADD ONS coming. We also know that these add ons are NOT just missions and skins... like BOE and COE and Barbarossa and the other 3rd party add ons, that you can choose not to buy and still fly with everyone who has the same version as you. These add ons have NEW CONTENT. New content means new version and incopmpatibility with previous versions. NO ONE HERE IS EVEN LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BEEN GETTING A STEADY DOSE OF NEW CONTENT FOR FREE SINCE IL2 FIRST CAME OUT...what.... 5 years now??!!
So now we are asked to actually pay for something...... something that is just new content no major bug fixes if any....... that I know of anyway..... and we have a few.. and you surprise me NM..... people who act like they have been robbed on the street or sold a false bill of goods. Give me a friggin break already!!!??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

As usual Oleg is d@mned if he does and d@mned if he doesnt.... If this add on and the three upcoming ones had been a Russia only release like it was originally planned we would have had a whole posse up in arms about it.... especially from my neck of the woods. Be glad that you can get it......

And I also have a question for NM and Sensei @ the FS add ons... and I am serious.. I dont know the answer.....

This great $25 Spitfire and Mustang for FS9... does it even have a damage model? Can you shoot the guns on it.... and have them actually hit something.... or is it a "fly only" plane? I suspect it is a fly only job........ but correct me if I am wrong..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't have either of those add-ons. I haven't seen a reason to have a combat propeller aircraft flying and landing at Las Vegas at night. LOL

The FS2004 does have many other features that can be enjoyed with those old warbirds I'm sure. It seems a bit out of place to fly current navigation instruments and approaches to modern day airports in an old bird like the Spit.

Of course, you can always make of it what you will. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Adam906
04-27-2006, 07:11 PM
Showing my ignorance, this 4.05 thing you're all ranting about:

1) is it the patch (what I call these things) that we usually were able to get via the links on the main page of pacific-fighters.com
2) I gather it is US$17
3) What does it have/do
4) is there an AI fix in it
5) when and where is it available from

I don't have oodles of money (poor uni student syndrome!) but considering the time I've spent playing PF and IL2 merged (both of which cost me in the region of AUD$60) I don't really see why $17 is such a big deal ESPECIALLY when I consider just how much extra I have got out of Ubi since I bought my original copies (before I got the downloads on the site I was running 3.03). I have isues with the AI 4.04m AI but $17 to fix it and get the Norway and Burma map plus extra planes is so not a big deal.

However, I only have dial-up connections which often cuts out so I don't want to be trying to download 100Mb and have it cut out half way through and loose my $17, or is this not how it works.

Any further details or links to the original info as put out by Ubi would be much appreciated!

Bearcat99
04-27-2006, 08:00 PM
Its not a patch.. it's an add on... with new content... and some new planes, objects, missions & campaigns.

raisen
04-27-2006, 08:19 PM
4.05 ? Maybe, maybe not. Haven't flown FB/PF for months. No real time to do so either. Maybe, maybe not.

Raisen

Beirut
04-28-2006, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by nearmiss:


I don't have either of those add-ons. I haven't seen a reason to have a combat propeller aircraft flying and landing at Las Vegas at night. LOL

The FS2004 does have many other features that can be enjoyed with those old warbirds I'm sure. It seems a bit out of place to fly current navigation instruments and approaches to modern day airports in an old bird like the Spit.

Of course, you can always make of it what you will. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Exactly right. If it's no fun - don't do it.

If it is fun, then by all means enjoy yourself. I've been leapfrogging across Canada in my C-130 and I have to admit to really having a good time.

We're all here just to have fun and escape from reality with a bit of flight time. However and wherever we find that fun is not the issue, only that we are having fun.

panzerd18
04-28-2006, 06:14 AM
Pe-2 is out

http://shop.ubi.com/Prod_ExtDesc.asp?catalogid=386&id=97

96th_Nightshifter
04-28-2006, 06:25 AM
It sure is but the download has a 404 error for many others - havent heard of anyone that has had a success with it yet.

WOLFMondo
04-28-2006, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Its not a patch.. it's an add on... with new content... and some new planes, objects, missions & campaigns.

You could put this in neon lights, make it spin, put a PA system saying it, get some topless dancing girls singing about it, GW doing a speech about it, Kofi Annan harping on about it at the UN yet some people have a mental block and still won't get it.

Oleg must be so thick skinned by now, producing tons of free content. If I was him, I would have bundled it all and sold it as addons from day 1. The die hards will lap it up, the naysayers would go back to CFS2.

WTE_Galway
04-28-2006, 06:57 AM
The IL2 community is somewhat spoilt and tends to have a lot of vocal people who behave like brats at times.

In the end its just a game and you are owed nothing by the developer whatsoever.

Bearcat99
04-28-2006, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
The IL2 community is somewhat spoilt and tends to have a lot of vocal people who behave like brats at times.

In the end its just a game and you are owed nothing by the developer whatsoever.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chuck_Older
04-28-2006, 07:51 AM
Holy christ not this horsemanure again. It's cyclic, I swear


OK folks, we have

Addons

Updates

Patches


Everyone calls an update or an add-on a "patch", but they aren't patches, although they may contain some bug fixes. The goal of the add-ons and the updates is expanded content, not primarily game fixes

We have gotten patches for FREE
We have gotten the Updates for Free
We PAY for the Add-Ons

As for why the game gets patched:

The sim was as right as the developers knew how to make it and as right as technology and software design capabilities could take it at the time. Has perhaps time passed, and they've learned something can be done better or differently or more efficiently?

To sit here and argue that the sim is flawed because it gets updated is asinine; there are more efficient ways to program the models, better ways to implement data, and more effective ways to utilise what we have now. Technology hasn't sat still since the sim debuted, and neither has the ingenuity of the developer. The sim is not going to sit pat right here until forever comes, just because it was prgrammed six years ago and it was "right" then. That's a BS notion, it implies that stagnation means progress, and that idea is patently absurd. That's like saying nobody can learn anything further after they become expert in it- knowledge isn't finite. If you're smart and you know what you're about, you always learn something new about a subject- always

Capt._Tenneal
04-28-2006, 08:36 AM
Paying for Patches !!!??? (4.05)

No. Paying for an add-on with a free patch included. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

actionhank1786
04-28-2006, 09:01 AM
A whole ****1n' campaign was started to get that add-ons to us, there were polls, people were having "Russian add-ons for western market" signatures, things like "Please Oleg give it to us, we are interested we would be happy to pay for it",

Haha i just noticed that...jeez, who would have that in their info...that's just lame! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

actionhank1786
04-28-2006, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Holy christ not this horsemanure again. It's cyclic, I swear


OK folks, we have

Addons

Updates

Patches


Everyone calls an update or an add-on a "patch", but they aren't patches, although they may contain some bug fixes. The goal of the add-ons and the updates is expanded content, not primarily game fixes

We have gotten patches for FREE
We have gotten the Updates for Free
We PAY for the Add-Ons

As for why the game gets patched:

The sim was as right as the developers knew how to make it and as right as technology and software design capabilities could take it at the time. Has perhaps time passed, and they've learned something can be done better or differently or more efficiently?

To sit here and argue that the sim is flawed because it gets updated is asinine; there are more efficient ways to program the models, better ways to implement data, and more effective ways to utilise what we have now. Technology hasn't sat still since the sim debuted, and neither has the ingenuity of the developer. The sim is not going to sit pat right here until forever comes, just because it was prgrammed six years ago and it was "right" then. That's a BS notion, it implies that stagnation means progress, and that idea is patently absurd. That's like saying nobody can learn anything further after they become expert in it- knowledge isn't finite. If you're smart and you know what you're about, you always learn something new about a subject- always

Thankfully someone broke it down and made it real simple for them.
The thought that someone could complain about a game being patched too much is insaine...in fact that's the first time i've heard "My game get's too much support".

zaelu
04-28-2006, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Miki40:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zaelu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Miki40:
Btw, where I can see a proper readme file of this good content? before I spend more money on this title.

Do you have 404m version?

Well... here's a little info

1.00 Forgotten battles
2.00 Ace Expansion Pack (patches in between many with new content - FREE)
3.00 Pacific Fighters (patches in between many with new content - FREE)
4.00 New Flight Model Engine and other stuff - FREE (patches in between many with new content - FREE)
4.03 New Content (do I need to specify Do335 , Tempest, Ju-88, Machis etc ????) FREE

Now Three addons will come THEY WILL CHANGE THE VERSION OF THE GAME (wich is normal)... they are addons and they cost.

If you don't want them dont buy them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bine ma cuparale tu pe toate daca banii te dau afara din casa!
Majoritatea noastra jucam on-line iar daca versiunea jucului se schimba vor fi probleme cu cei care nu vor sa cumpere add-onul, iei nu vor putea conecta la jocurile 4.05, deci toata sau majoritatea lumii este obligata sa cumpere.
Nu te supara frumosule dar asta nu este afacere cinstita! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


ROTFL, first of all your reply is not fair to others (speaking of fairness). Second, this game like many others whenever is adding some new content or patching some issues (or both) is changing the version.
Knowing that those developers actualy spended a lot of time (years) to keep suporting this game with patches and free content and knowing that they are humans that do this for a living you came after game is version 4.XX and say that is unfair bussiness?
Well, is at least fair deal from my point of view as a "very rich" romanian.

You say that you play online and you are now forced to buy the addon? By whom? By the others that paid it? I don't think so.

You said this when AEP came out too?

Aimosika
04-28-2006, 01:42 PM
I payed for 4.05, all I wanted was fix or downgrade of AI to previous versions like 4.03 or maybe 4.02.

But I did not get any AI fix for that money.

4.05 or PE-2 addon is not a patch, so do not pay for it if you wanna offline flying and AI fixed!

darkhorizon11
04-28-2006, 02:50 PM
I gotta throw the bullsh*t card on the whiners here.

Like everyones been saying we've gotten probably 5 add-ons worth of free material in the past few years, and were still probably getting at least one more free patch with the Norway, Burma, and Sicily maps and whatever aircraft get thrown in.

Your whine has no bearing...

WWSensei
04-28-2006, 04:28 PM
Bearcat said:

"This great $25 Spitfire and Mustang for FS9... does it even have a damage model? Can you shoot the guns on it.... and have them actually hit something.... or is it a "fly only" plane? I suspect it is a fly only job........ but correct me if I am wrong..... I dont own FS9 so I havent a clue."

I don't have those particular mods but generally, no, you can't shoot stuff and blow **** up in FS2004. It is basically "fly only".

Best way to compare it is to say what FS2004 lacks in "combat simulation" IL2 lacks in "flying simulation". IL2 has decent FMs but the lack of a weather model is a huge missing factor in the game. Weather plays such a major role in real world flying that simming without it is like clapping with one hand.

FS2004 has other things I can work on that I can't get in IL2 like simulating specific engine or flight control failures so I can work on emergency procedures (you can actually tell it to have an oil pressure leak 15 minutes into your flight or at some random or fixed point in your flight).

It's also great for getting familiar with real world airports if you havenn't been there before. I almost landed a 172 at Oceana NAS rather than Norfolk International Airport because I was not familiar with the area and had arrived at night and they are so dang close together. Hehe, fortunetly I wasn't the first (or last) pilot to confuse them and ATC straightened me out pretty quick.

FS2004 does a much better job at simulating the startup and shut down procedures and proper instrument usage. Throw the 6DOF TrackIR support and it's a winner.

But it is in no way a combat sim.

Stigler_9_JG52
04-28-2006, 04:47 PM
I have to say, Boonty Box stuff aside, that no one who has been involved with IL-2 from the beginning should be too put out by having to pay for just ONE of the many patches and add-ons we've had.

The sim has been very well supported, and you get what you pay for.

Bearcat99
04-28-2006, 06:23 PM
D@mn.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Stig has become the voice of reason.. I'd better go play the lottery tonight.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Thanks for the answer Sensei... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Cadet_Bobo
04-28-2006, 06:34 PM
Not only did I pay for it, all the DL and install stuff worked fine. I'm one happy camper.

Bobo

smokincrater
04-28-2006, 07:58 PM
As the person who started this whole thing off.I would like to remind everybody THIS IS THE BEST COMBAT FLIGHT SIM EVER.Not since the days of Larnace Horld (Their Finest Hour,Secert Weapons of the Luftwafffe and Tie vs X-wing fame) has someone come along and produced an excellant game AND simulator!
If only we can get the aircraft manufacters to to let them recreate their aircraft,we can have A truly global game with something for everyone. So if it takes 14 euros,ten quid or twenty Australian dollars to keep the design team fed with a roof over their house thats fine by me.Just so long as cost does not blow out as it normally does.
I think thats what a lot of people are afraid of.If someone could give a their word that costs will kept down a lot of people will buy the product for a reasonable cost for reasonable content. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Stigler_9_JG52
04-28-2006, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
D@mn.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Stig has become the voice of reason.. I'd better go play the lottery tonight.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



...and yet, my credit card isn't even warm in my pocket...and won't be until "Boonty Box" goes away. Sorry, I just won't go there... I simply do NOT trust Ubi.

raisen
04-29-2006, 08:16 AM
Another FS2004 flier.... excellent.
The Spitfire package for FS2004 I got last year was bought as something to do whilst I was recovering from a hip replacement. It came with models ranging from the prototype all the way to the very last Spitfire to leave the factory, with versions for FS2002, 2004 and for CFS2. I used all of 'em except the 2002 version (don't have that) and cost me about 15 quid on CD (bargain bucket at a PCWorld store in the UK). Did the job admirably, kept me sane when I had a row of staples like an 18 inch zipper running down my backside. Had to fly on my notebook from a propped up laying position http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Come to think of it, the reason that I got back into flight sims back in 2000 was because they were recommended by my trauma surgeon and the commander of a WB2.77 squad - Esme of KG2.

Previous to that my last encounter was whilst testing FS98 for Mitsubishi/Apricot Computers. Before that I think it was Gunship 2000 on the Amiga.

We do have weather in IL2 but we don't have the ability to bend it to our will quite as much. Am I right in thinking that isn't quite as dynamic as FS 2004 (you can set it to change over time in FS2004, or connect to a Jeppesen database of real world, real time weather - we don't have that of course in IL2) ?

I probably wont buy this latest addon for IL2/FB/AEP/PF because I'm not getting as much use out of them right now, I'm working toward getting back to work.

Raisen

Tater-SW-
04-29-2006, 10:00 AM
Anyone who has a problem with spending a tiny amount of money to get more content needs to get either a life, or better yet, a job. I spend more on coffee in a wekk, get over it.

That said, I was all set to DL the thing immediately when it was available until I found out about this boonty BS. I will not buy it unless that is removed, I lack the time and inclination to go through all the crazy steps to have an uninfected copy of something I paid for. It is utter BS, I have enough problems keeping my PC clean of sh1t like this without inviting it to come and live on my computer.

I anxiously await an uninfected version (and given that it reinstalls boonty every time you run il-2, I absolutely call that "infection"). It technically meet the definition of "virus" does it not? (serious question, it seems to be self replicating and buried in a host exe file, dunno what the other technical requirements are to be a "virus")

tater

WWSensei
04-29-2006, 10:17 AM
There is canned weather in IL2. You can set it with thunderstorms etc, but if you do the wind amazingly always seems to blow 90 degrees to the way you are facing on the runway...it's not variable at all or nearly as robust as in 2004...

shinden1974
04-29-2006, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
Anyone who has a problem with spending a tiny amount of money to get more content needs to get either a life, or better yet, a job. I spend more on coffee in a wekk, get over it.

That said, I was all set to DL the thing immediately when it was available until I found out about this boonty BS. I will not buy it unless that is removed, I lack the time and inclination to go through all the crazy steps to have an uninfected copy of something I paid for. It is utter BS, I have enough problems keeping my PC clean of sh1t like this without inviting it to come and live on my computer.

I anxiously await an uninfected version (and given that it reinstalls boonty every time you run il-2, I absolutely call that "infection"). It technically meet the definition of "virus" does it not? (serious question, it seems to be self replicating and buried in a host exe file, dunno what the other technical requirements are to be a "virus")

tater

aye...I was pretty outraged to find out I had to use this program...and I had already paid. Although intrusive programs and malware are a common problem for everyone, there's no need to add to it...
The intrusiveness of various ad bots, trojan horses and cookies are the scourge of the young internet and drive a great majority of people up the wall. Boonty-box isn't all that bad, as it is easy to erase (compared to your typical TH), but I honestly dislike the way I ended up with it. It really took the wind out of my sail.
Hopefully they can distribute future add-ons without the use of this downloading/checking program...the key provided alone was enough to protect the program from most people who would be hard pressed to just find out this product exists.

BuzzardHead
04-29-2006, 01:57 PM
I wish all you wealthy individuals who can so easily afford to pay for a patch-add-on,would picth in and pay for me a copy.I'm on disability and don't have the disposible income.

Adam906
04-30-2006, 01:12 AM
I'm sure I'll get jumped on again but pardon me - I'm no computer nerd or gamming geek.

My original post in this thread was to try and sort out what the go was with this Pe-2 thing. I've heard said as 4.05 and/or Pe-2. Earlier in the thread someone also mentioned that there are no fixes for the AI. I'm not so interested in the Pe-2 as much as I am in fixing the damned AI. As Buzzardhead said, not all of us have a disposable income and as much as I would like to try my hadnd at the Pe-2 and new campaigns I'm not going to fork out AUD$30 for something that doesn't fix the problems I have with the original game so, could someone please speel it out for me.

1) Will a 4.05 free *insert correct term* be available like the old ones were on the main site?
2) Will it have a fix for the AI everyone rants about (including me)
3) Will the maps of Burma and Norway and Slovakia be that way or are they part of this new system of pay "add-ons"

Dumb it down please....!

Oh, and no I'm not complaining about paying - just wanting to know what is going on. Also what is this you are all complaining about BountyBox or whatever.

As I said - I'm not a gaming nerd or a computer geek (using the vernacular, not ****ging off at anyone)

As always TIA

906

RAF92_Moser
04-30-2006, 02:52 PM
I don't understand. This was announced a long time ago. We knew this was coming. This is an addon, just like Pacific Fighters and Ace Expansion Pack. Why are you complaining?

Who said anything about a patch, anyway?

I sometimes think forums should require an IQ test or something before allowing membership. I simply do not understand all the confusion. Buy it, or don't.

Personally, I don't have a credit card so I cannot. Missing out on multiplayer? Yes. End of the world?

No, their is more to life than Hyperlobby.

Stigler_9_JG52
04-30-2006, 04:22 PM
Well, RAF, you miss the salient point completely.

Interest in this discussion pretty much assumes that you have an interest in the add-on, and/or in keeping a current version of the sim so you can play on HyperLobby.

So whether you, or I, care if HyperLobby is "an important part of life" or not is completely irrelevant.

RAF92_Moser
04-30-2006, 05:55 PM
My apologies stigler...i just got a little frustrated.

cidcarioca
04-30-2006, 07:47 PM
please don´t do this... the ****ing lock on with that flaming cliffs... And for that people who don´t live in Europe, North American etc??? I loved lock on... I loved...

AKA_TAGERT
05-01-2006, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by Miki40:
Is this a new trend!? or a one off mistake! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Congrats.. Your reply wins the most ignorant reply award.