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mike_espo
10-22-2004, 05:18 PM
Is it to be included in the release?

thanks

Snootles
10-22-2004, 05:47 PM
No.

If anyone's working on one, I don't know about it. It would definitely be nice.

mike_espo
10-22-2004, 06:38 PM
Hmmm Too bad. I thought that a Flying tigers scenario would be possible.

SaQSoN
10-22-2004, 07:21 PM
Ki27 much probably will be in the 2nd patch/addon may be it will be even flyable. There also the Ki-21 will be included together with the Nate.

mike_espo
10-22-2004, 07:22 PM
Cool!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Maximus_G
10-22-2004, 09:26 PM
These news is definitely the best i've heard this week! =)

pcpilot_MGG
10-22-2004, 09:33 PM
Agreed! It would be very cool to have nate and some other mid to late '30's Jap planes. They could be used for Flying Tigers and Russia scenarios.

VW-IceFire
10-22-2004, 09:50 PM
It'd be great for the pre-US involvement China conflict with Japan but in terms of its Pacific involvement it was phased out rapidly.

I did read that one point late in the war a group of Ki-27's was attacked by US planes and totally wiped out such was the perfomance difference.

Probably like bouncing unsuspecting I-153's.

chris455
10-22-2004, 10:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaQSoN:
Ki27 much probably will be in the 2nd patch/addon may be it will be even flyable. There also the Ki-21 will be included together with the Nate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Best news I've heard all day. I can't wait to waste a Sally with my Jug.
Come on, Lilly!

Snootles
10-22-2004, 10:48 PM
News like that coming from a PF modeler?!!?!?! I would leap up and down and cheer if it were not so late and the basement ceiling were not so low. Believe me, I've had an encounter with that ceiling, and I think it won...

RAC_Pips
10-22-2004, 11:19 PM
I too am looking forward to seeing the Ki-27 in the air.

Not only was it the major IJAAF fighter involved in both the China conflict and Khalkin Gol incident, but it was also the primary IJAAF fighter in the initial stages of the Pacific War. It saw widespread service over Malaya, Singapore and Burma, being phased out in mid 1942.

It's just a great looking plane! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/PipsPriller/Ki-27e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/PipsPriller/Ki-27_d.jpg

r0bman
10-22-2004, 11:35 PM
nice pics... I'm sure a few other AVG-worshipers on the forums will agree w/ me... we need this airplane and the sally... not as much as a burma map tho...

ps. no disrespect to the awesome stuff I can't wait to try out coming in PF... but I need my AVG fix! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Snootles
10-22-2004, 11:51 PM
They were effective early on, not only in CBI but possibly in the PTO as well. Eventually pulled to home defence until 1943.

F19_Olli72
10-23-2004, 02:45 AM
Nice!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Imo one of the best looking (together with the Claude of course) japanese fighters. Theres an interesting account by Ryuji Nagatsuka where he and his wingman attacks B-29's with Nates ....it'll be fun to try if it becomes flyable.

Feathered_IV
10-23-2004, 04:57 AM
Somewhere round here I have a translation of the combat report that Nagatsuka made after his flights encounter with the B29. Can't remember if they brought it down though.

DuxCorvan
10-23-2004, 05:12 AM
Cool! Now we can give a good argument against the 'I don't want Emils over Guam' anti-FB+PF horde! Because early Japanese aircraft are ideal to deal with Russian-built Chinese material. And all within the limits of historical facts.

Feathered_IV
10-23-2004, 07:55 AM
What I wouldn't give for a flyable A5M Claude!
My dream plane of choice.

I wonder if anyone is working on one of these?
I've managed to collect a considerable ammount on the cockpit area - enough to be getting on with.

DuxCorvan
10-23-2004, 08:55 AM
Feathered, you shoud quote the long text in your sig, or separate it some way. Everytime I read your posts, I always go on reading on your sig as if it was part of the main text... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Feathered_IV
10-23-2004, 09:00 AM
Ah. Sorry Dux. Hows this?

DuxCorvan
10-23-2004, 09:02 AM
Great. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

sapre
10-23-2004, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
It'd be great for the pre-US involvement China conflict with Japan but in terms of its Pacific involvement it was phased out rapidly.

I did read that one point late in the war a group of Ki-27's was attacked by US planes and totally wiped out such was the perfomance difference.

Probably like bouncing unsuspecting I-153's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nver heard about that, but I read somwhere that Ki-27 was totally infferior against RAF Hurricane's in Singapore.

DuxCorvan
10-23-2004, 09:30 AM
Well, but we can bounce I-153s in a Ki-27. 1938.

The Ki-27 was as incredibly manoeuvrable as a biplane or even better, only faster. Ideal for TnB, nothing to do against faster BnZ aircraft. Look at it as if it was a biplane.

Its main fault was armament. Two 7,95 guns are lame. But it was superior in performance to I-153, and could deal with I-16s using old tactics.

Ruy Horta
10-23-2004, 09:50 AM
Too be honest the missing Nate is one of the factors which makes PF more empty than it could have been, but there is no CBI either for that matter.

However back to topic, I love the Ki-27 and would die to have a contintal map that is just that bit different than the current FB stock to make it Asian in feel, so we can play a number of CBI setups, incl. Russo-Japanese and Chino-Japanese matchups.

Lets face it Polikarpovs vs Nakajimas (and Mitsubishi A5Ms) just screams fun!

WereSnowleopard
10-23-2004, 10:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Nice!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Imo one of the best looking (together with the Claude of course) japanese fighters. Theres an interesting account by Ryuji Nagatsuka where he and his wingman attacks B-29's with Nates ....it'll be fun to try if it becomes flyable. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh Yes, It was in book as I read it, I will have to look for it in boxes. It was two seater trainer Claude with single gun. I am not sure if he did to B-29 but to other one. Let me try look for it.

Cheers
Snowleopard

michaelbjork
10-23-2004, 12:56 PM
Hi all.. Was we not supposed to get a Singapore map for PF too?? Is it coming in the first patch maybe?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

horseback
10-23-2004, 01:07 PM
From Barrett Tillman's "Hellcat; The F6F in WWII":
"The next day, 13 September(1944), was more of the same. The Essex fighters claimed another 29 kills during two missions, including 21 during the dawn fighter sweep over Cebu and Negros (Phillippine Islands-HB). Three VF-15 divisions ran into nearly 50 airborne bandits, a curious mixture of 20 to 25 fixed-gear Nates, 15 to 20 Zekes and Oscars, and four Bettys. The Nates were small, open cockpit monoplanes(Tillman is mistaken here, or the encounter was with A5M Claudes-HB), slow and lightly armed but incredibly maneuverable--presumably used for advanced training. McCampbell got two Nates early in the fight, then seperated and called for rendezvous ten miles south of Bacolod airdrome. His wingman, Roy Rushing, had bagged two Oscars and was covering Ensign J.W. Brex, who had force-landed. Therefore, McCampbell was alone when attacked from above by a Nate which he did not see untill too late. The nimble Japanese fighter pulled up quickly out of gun range without doing any damage, but McCampbell wanted the kill. He dropped his belly tank and went to War Emergency Power, climbing hard but still losing ground.

"Noticing its advantage, the Nate rolled over to begin an overhead pass. McCampbell was having none of that. He pushed his nose down and dived to safety. After dropping an Oscar he returned to the Essex and reported: '(1) Nate is even more maneuverable than Zeke. (2) Nate can outclimb F6F at 110-120 knots airspeed. (3) This 'operational student,' if he was such, will have no trouble completing the course.'"

cheers

horseback

Ruy Horta
10-23-2004, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
The Nates were small, open cockpit monoplanes(Tillman is mistaken here, or the encounter was with A5M Claudes-HB), slow and lightly armed but incredibly maneuverable--presumably used for advanced training. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By the time this fight took place in 1944, the Nate had ceased to be a frontline fighter for quite some time, however the original Ki-27 continued as an advanced trainer together with the purpose build derivative Ki-79, which was indeed basically an open cockpit Ki-27 single seat advanced trainer.

LEXX_Luthor
10-24-2004, 08:58 PM
Ki~27 was fast BnZ plane.

Duxx, I am surprised at you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>By concentrating on the second and third Chinese flights (with one shotai each), only left one Ki-27 taking on the most experienced of the Chinese pilots (Ma and Teng). Although the Japanese, First Lieutenant Yoshio Sotomura (47th Class), also was a senior pilot, he made the critical error fighting to the strengths of the Chinese (probably as a result under-estimating the Chinese pilots and their inferior planes). Instead of fighting in the vertical plane where the Ki-27 had the advantage, Sotomura got into a turning fight with Teng. While Teng kept Sotomura occupied, Ma climbed above the two and bounced the Japanese from behind, hitting the Ki-27 in the fuel tanks. Smoke poured from the Ki-27 as Sotomura tried to escape.

Evidently damaged, the Ki-27 could not pull away from the normally slower I-15bis. Ma was able to close to 50m and appeared to hit the Japanese pilot with gunfire as, all of a sudden, the Ki-27 stopped evasive action and flew straight with level wings. At this critical juncture, all four of Ma's ShKAS machine guns jammed. Nevertheless, the Ki-27 was done for and it crashed shortly afterwards. The Japanese pilot died of his injuries. Although, he did not hit the Japanese, Teng contributed to the kill through fine teamwork with his element leader. The Japanese fighters returned claiming 11 shot down against a reported 20 plus I-15bis for the loss of two fighters (Harada and Sotomura).


under "1939" ~> http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/sino-japanese.htm
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ma later shot down and killed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif