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alert_1
01-10-2007, 11:38 AM
Last night I wandered into WC server and just for fun took P38l "Late edition" for ride.I never flown this monster before online (and only few times offline) but I was very pleasantly surprised by its performance.
I met a freaking alcoholic Me109 with apparently great drive. He was some confidence and there were moment he was almost reaching for me with his "grenadelauncher" but not able to get solid firing solution. I use only combat flaps (not having airbrake even mapped!) and it looks as I have chance to gain on him gradually when freaking Spit flown in and Me109 was goner. Very nice and dynamic bird now in 4.071!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

I'm dislectic, so please bear with me...

TheBandit_76
01-10-2007, 11:53 AM
woot! 'bout time<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
01-10-2007, 12:04 PM
Just dont try and turn with the dive flaps on. She snaps out and stalls like crazy!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TheBandit_76
01-10-2007, 12:05 PM
Wonder if that's realistic? The dive brakes seemed to give a false boost to turning in previous patches.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BSS_CUDA
01-10-2007, 01:03 PM
it always was a good turner, just very few people out there with the Nads to fly it as a fighter. it can be unforgiving, its just the difference since 4.07 is that not only can it turnfight, it is also now a capable BnZ plane as well. most people only hop in for Jabo attacks then go right back to their Spits never having the dedication to learn what its really capable of. a well flown 38 in single can be dangerous, two well flown 38's in wing can be devestating. most people think that its an easy kill, and thats usually true for the reasons I stated above.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

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Brain32
01-10-2007, 01:08 PM
Like it matters, nobody sane will fly Me109 online anyway, and FW190 never could turn with anything anyway so...nothing important but a neat adition to P38 pilots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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alert_1
01-10-2007, 01:18 PM
Like it matters, nobody sane will fly Me109 online anyway
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Aaron_GT
01-10-2007, 01:24 PM
Do you have any good tips, Cuda. I've taken the P38 up as a ffighter bomber many times (I am a buff pilot at heart) but I've only been successful a few times flying it as a pure fighter. Once an Fw 190 gets on my tail and I've been run down to low altitude there seems to be nothing I can do to shake it, and then engine fires and an unhappy end seem to follow quite quickly.

TheBandit_76
01-10-2007, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Do you have any good tips, Cuda. I've taken the P38 up as a ffighter bomber many times (I am a buff pilot at heart) but I've only been successful a few times flying it as a pure fighter. Once an Fw 190 gets on my tail and I've been run down to low altitude there seems to be nothing I can do to shake it, and then engine fires and an unhappy end seem to follow quite quickly.

At first sight of a 190 on your 6, bring him in to just outside of effective firing range and then reef a hard turn. Do another one back the other way, and then once more but put it into a tight, climbing turn. 190s do not like climbing turns.

You'll be on his sixer before he knows it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BSS_CUDA
01-10-2007, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Do you have any good tips, Cuda. I've taken the P38 up as a ffighter bomber many times (I am a buff pilot at heart) but I've only been successful a few times flying it as a pure fighter. Once an Fw 190 gets on my tail and I've been run down to low altitude there seems to be nothing I can do to shake it, and then engine fires and an unhappy end seem to follow quite quickly.

Look me up on Warclouds this weekend and we can wing up. 190'S are cake, you can out turn all of them easy, and if one dives of you from your 6 above, hit the brakes and 45 climb turn hard, and just as he's about to pass you with a lost solution, release the brakes and barrel roll reverse, and 9-10 times he'll be right in your gunsite, nail him.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

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Gibbage1
01-10-2007, 03:16 PM
I will try to make it on WC if you need a good P-38 wingman. Last time I was in a P-38 on WC, I got 7 kills in a row without a single death if I just stuck to pure B&Z tactics. That was months ago in 4.04 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I played a little recently, but not much and just for fun. I was able to out-fly the 109's and 190's easy, but there wingman typically bagged me as I try for a firing solution. Man I need a TIR.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BSS_CUDA
01-10-2007, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I will try to make it on WC if you need a good P-38 wingman. Last time I was in a P-38 on WC, I got 7 kills in a row without a single death if I just stuck to pure B&Z tactics. That was months ago in 4.04 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I played a little recently, but not much and just for fun. I was able to out-fly the 109's and 190's easy, but there wingman typically bagged me as I try for a firing solution. Man I need a TIR.

Maybe we can get Tagert to show up and Motrin too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

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Gibbage1
01-10-2007, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
Maybe we can get Tagert to show up and Motrin too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Tag and I are "at odds" now a days. I think its his time of month or something. It would be nothing but bickering over TS. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DustyBarrels77
01-10-2007, 04:24 PM
Its descent now i would say its the last american fighter in game that can contend with the 43-45 enemy planeset now.

I have to say some odd things are happening now with planes that manage e in a slow turn fight better but still stall first. For example the 109s can all out turn the tempest but the 109g6 only without boost can turn inside the tempest 3-4 full circles then looses its energy while the tempest still maintains it.

its seems like a long problem of this game the way the accelaration effects fms in catagories it shouldnt, like the lightweights in dive accelaration and turning inside the acs best combat turn speed by double or almost triple with not stalling while others cannot even match thier full fuel and ammo weight combat turn with 25 fuel here.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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GR142-Pipper
01-11-2007, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Do you have any good tips, Cuda. I've taken the P38 up as a ffighter bomber many times (I am a buff pilot at heart) but I've only been successful a few times flying it as a pure fighter. Once an Fw 190 gets on my tail and I've been run down to low altitude there seems to be nothing I can do to shake it, and then engine fires and an unhappy end seem to follow quite quickly.

Look me up on Warclouds this weekend and we can wing up. 190'S are cake, you can out turn all of them easy, and if one dives of you from your 6 above, hit the brakes and 45 climb turn hard, and just as he's about to pass you with a lost solution, release the brakes and barrel roll reverse, and 9-10 times he'll be right in your gunsite, nail him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Only issue with P-38 is that the engines seem to overheat somewhat easily and it's a bit tough getting them to cool. Other than that, it's great fun to mix in.

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Brain32
01-11-2007, 04:46 AM
This v4071 is really great the complete bullsh1t turn rate and turn time monopol Oleg gave to Allied planes is greater than ever, I hope that will increase his sales http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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HellToupee
01-11-2007, 04:47 AM
seek help brain

Brain32
01-11-2007, 04:49 AM
Still not good enough for you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Col._King
01-11-2007, 04:50 AM
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JerryFodder
01-11-2007, 04:53 AM
You 38 pilots seem to talk a good game. As a 190 pilot i've only ever seen you as fodder. Big target that cannot run or out-turn me. I'll be interested to see if things are different in 4071 now though, hopefully the 38 has indeed improved because in 405 it was too easy.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Brain32
01-11-2007, 04:58 AM
Bah, we will still come at speed, they will turn, we will make a high yo-yo and blast them with 4 cannons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
If they catch us pants down there's always slow rolling scissors http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Anyway the only P38 pilot that ever got me seriously worried is BSS_Cuda.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FritzGryphon
01-11-2007, 05:19 AM
I did P-38L late turn times. 1000m, Crimea, noon, WEP, 100% fuel. Tracks available on request, mailed in 6-8 weeks.

Clean: 24 seconds, 340IAS
Combat flap: 22 seconds, 300IAS
Airbrake: 24 seconds, 250IAS
Airbrake and landing flap: 24 seconds, 200IAS.

The rates for clean config is unimpressive.

With combat flap, I got rates similar to a late Bf-109, and at a similar speed. Would outclass FW-190 in any large number of turns.

It is remarkable the improvement from flaps. The majority of aircraft I've tried in the past have marginal improvements in turn time, or none at all.

It's also remarkable that it gets these times with 100% fuel. With less fuel, I can believe the P-38 turning inside 109K with ease.

Mind you, the turn radii are still large. ~330m turn radius with combat flaps is huge compared to other planes, and when I tried to push it harder, it stalls.

109 can do 250m radius turn even without flaps. Can't out-turn P-38, but can stay out of guns and force an overshoot. Smart 109 driver would drop flaps and turn on the edge of stall to beat the P-38.

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01-11-2007, 05:29 AM
P-38L is overmodelled<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-11-2007, 05:31 AM
Megile, this is aimed at you :P :P

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BSS_CUDA
01-11-2007, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Anyway the only P38 pilot that ever got me seriously worried is BSS_Cuda.

Thanks for the Props Brain, means alot coming from you


originally posted by FritzGryphon:
I can believe the P-38 turning inside 109K with ease.

the K is out turned as easily as all 190's, just dont try to fight it in the verticle.


originally posted by JerryFodder:
You 38 pilots seem to talk a good game. As a 190 pilot i've only ever seen you as fodder. Big target that cannot run or out-turn me.

look me up sometime Jerry, you in your Run90 (anyone you chose) and me in my 38 and we'll see who's Fodder http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif I guarantee that I can out turn every 190 in the game, and unless your flying the Dora I will out run you as well. and we can do this in either 4.05 or 4.07 it makes no difference to me, results will be the same.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

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HayateAce
01-11-2007, 07:19 AM
Hmm, I put 2 190s into the dirt yesterday with a P38J and never fired a shot.

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Col._King
01-11-2007, 07:30 AM
As anyone here, I had my share of bail outs as well. Most of them while flying other planes than my faithful P-38.

But while flying the P-38, I was never shot down by a Fw-190. And on some occasions, the Focke-Pilot went down after stalling and loosing control of his plane while tryng to stay with me at close quarters.
The P-38 can stay in a turn fight, if the pilot knows how to fly it at the edge of the stall speed, using all what the plane offers. The large and effective flaps are of great help there, and when needed, the dive flaps (not Dive brakes) can be used to good advantage, but carefully. Playng with the two engines, if you know how to do so, can give to the P-38 driver a small extra advantage. But with this I dont want to say that turn fight is the best tactics for the P-38. Speed and Boom & Zoom are always the best. But if needed, the P-38 can be used for classic turning combat. But the pilot MUST know the plane as the palm of his hand.
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BSS_CUDA
01-11-2007, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Col._King:
But while flying the P-38, I was never shot down by a Fw-190.

NEVER?!?!?!?!!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif not dissing your skills but there are TOO many good FW drivers out there to make that claim<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

Jester : TopGun

faustnik
01-11-2007, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Col._King:
But while flying the P-38, I was never shot down by a Fw-190.

NEVER?!?!?!?!!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif not dissing your skills but there are TOO many good FW drivers out there to make that claim </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe it's the servers he flys on?

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PFflyer
01-11-2007, 10:30 AM
This is like the "Bizzaro World" in DC's Superman comics, but in this case it is "Gibbage World" , where although an object has twice the physical weight and mass of the object next to it, it is not bound or put at any disadvantage by it in anyway.



Objects in "Gibbage World" can attain these magical qualities when their creator does a ceremonial dance where they whine and stomp their feet loudly for several months between patches for any software in which that object is created, while throwing out facts, charts and theories that make anything raaiid ever put out look like instructions on how to assemble a child's swing-set.

Also the P-38 is the only plane that uses the AI flight model when flown online by persons. Also granted through the same ceremonial dance....


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BSS_CUDA
01-11-2007, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
This is like the "Bizzaro World" in DC's Superman comics, but in this case it is "Gibbage World" , where although an object has twice the physical weight and mass of the object next to it, it is not bound or put at any disadvantage by it in anyway.



Objects in "Gibbage World" can attain these magical qualities when their creator does a ceremonial dance where they whine and stomp their feet loudly for several months between patches for any software in which that object is created, while throwing out facts, charts and theories that make anything raaiid ever put out look like instructions on how to assemble a child's swing-set.

Also the P-38 is the only plane that uses the AI flight model when flown online by persons. Also granted through the same ceremonial dance....


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif OK WHO LET THE DAYCARE OUT EARLY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

By the way Flyer all Gibbage did was the 3D modeling, Oleg did the FM and the DM. so before you blast someone you might want to know what your talking about nextime



Originally posted by PFflyer:
Also the P-38 is the only plane that uses the AI flight model when flown online by persons.

I guess you've fallen victim to the AI FM on line then more than once huh<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

Jester : TopGun

AKA_TAGERT
01-11-2007, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
Maybe we can get Tagert to show up and Motrin too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Tag and I are "at odds" now a days. I think its his time of month or something. It would be nothing but bickering over TS. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You really give yourself too much credit for factoring into my day Nancy!

To prove you wrong, know this! I have flow with Krusty online and had a good time!

See the difference between a child like yourself and adults is an adult can put aside thier differences and disagreements to get thigns done.. Where as a child can not and will fester on it to the point of getting nothing done an may even go as far as to dedicate part of thier sig to try and get back at the person that has upset them. SAVVY?

Now with that said, BSS CUDA and I have had some hella good times online flying the 38! There was a time not too long ago where it was just us two in 38s pwning everything the others would bring our way!

With that said, I would love to fly with you and a bunch of 38 jocks and your little hissy fits here would not factor into it at all!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BSS_CUDA
01-11-2007, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
Maybe we can get Tagert to show up and Motrin too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Tag and I are "at odds" now a days. I think its his time of month or something. It would be nothing but bickering over TS. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You really give yourself too much credit for factoring into my day Nancy!

To prove you wrong, know this! I have flow with Krusty online and had a good time!

See that is the difference between a child like yourself and adults. An adult can put aside his disagreements with someone where as a child will fester on it to the point of dedicating part of his sig to getting back at someone.

Now with that said, BSS CUDA and I have had some hella good times online flying the 38! There was a time not too long ago where it was just us two in 38s pwning everything the others would bring our way!

With that said, I would love to fly with you and a bunch of 38 jocks and your little hissy fits here would not factor into it at all! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>good times Tagert I'll be on about 9am PST this Sat. hey by the way, some one you fly with quite often was calling me a cheater on one of our fav servers last Sat night, guess he didnt like my 38 waxing his 47 over and over http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I intentionally dont want to mention names or squads in open forum, but if you PM me I'll tell you<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

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crazyivan1970
01-11-2007, 10:53 AM
TAG, did you know that big fighting words are not allowed at this forum? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

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Gibbage1
01-11-2007, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
With that said, I would love to fly with you and a bunch of 38 jocks and your little hissy fits here would not factor into it at all!

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Originally posted by Gibbage1:
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With that said, I would love to fly with you and a bunch of 38 jocks and your little hissy fits here would not factor into it at all!

OK. I will take you up on that! A common enemy unites hay? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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AKA_TAGERT
01-11-2007, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
good times Tagert
That it was! Espically when you and I were on oposite sides! It was good to see someone fly that thing right for a change! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Originally posted by jarink:
I'll be on about 9am PST this Sat.
Bad news is we are going deer hunting this weekend so I wont be able to make it until maybe late sunday night


Originally posted by jarink:
hey by the way, some one you fly with quite often was calling me a cheater on one of our fav servers last Sat night, guess he didnt like my 38 waxing his 47 over and over http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I intentionally dont want to mention names or squads in open forum, but if you PM me I'll tell you Ahhhhhhh and IMS guy? If so, I think I know which one your talkig about.. And it is stuff like that is why I have another handle I fly under.. In that stuff gets so old so fast! Allow me to apoligize for that guy! Don't feel too bad.. He accuses just about everyone of cheaing<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fordfan25
01-11-2007, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Like it matters, nobody sane will fly Me109 online anyway, and FW190 never could turn with anything anyway so...nothing important but a neat adition to P38 pilots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif next time we are in warclouds you take a 47 abd ill take a dora. ill prove it can turn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Brain32
01-11-2007, 11:23 AM
Many have fallen in front of my trusty P47D, it's a deal http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

This is my sig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fordfan25
01-11-2007, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
Maybe we can get Tagert to show up and Motrin too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Tag and I are "at odds" now a days. I think its his time of month or something. It would be nothing but bickering over TS. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You really give yourself too much credit for factoring into my day Nancy!

To prove you wrong, know this! I have flow with Krusty online and had a good time!

See the difference between a child like yourself and adults is an adult can put aside thier differences and disagreements to get thigns done.. Where as a child can not and will fester on it to the point of getting nothing done an may even go as far as to dedicate part of thier sig to try and get back at the person that has upset them. SAVVY?

Now with that said, BSS CUDA and I have had some hella good times online flying the 38! There was a time not too long ago where it was just us two in 38s pwning everything the others would bring our way!

With that said, I would love to fly with you and a bunch of 38 jocks and your little hissy fits here would not factor into it at all! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Tag please do not claim to be a adult. you make the rest of use look bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fordfan25
01-11-2007, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Many have fallen in front of my trusty P47D, it's a deal http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif even more from bihind it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif im gettn on war clouds in a few, hope 2 c u soon ..... and first http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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joeap
01-11-2007, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
With that said, I would love to fly with you and a bunch of 38 jocks and your little hissy fits here would not factor into it at all!

OK. I will take you up on that! A common enemy unites hay? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Awwww, that's cute. Days or Lives Gibb and Tag style. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They're making a movie about them!

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01-11-2007, 11:39 AM
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01-11-2007, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
Ha! They look thinner in the movie. and more Masculin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Aaron_GT
01-11-2007, 01:04 PM
Look me up on Warclouds this weekend and we can wing up.

If my copy of '46 arrives in time I will try to take you up on that kind offer.

zugfuhrer
01-11-2007, 01:30 PM
How nice for all those that got the P-38l as their favourite aircraft.

Now in this game, you can do what you have read about in books and seen in movies, with the aircraft of your choice.

BSS_CUDA
01-11-2007, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
How nice for all those that got the P-38l as their favourite aircraft.

Now in this game, you can do what you have read about in books and seen in movies, with the aircraft of your choice. So whats your point, or is your whole post about the Troll?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

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faustnik
01-11-2007, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
How nice for all those that got the P-38l as their favourite aircraft.

Now in this game, you can do what you have read about in books and seen in movies, with the aircraft of your choice. So whats your point, or is your whole post about the Troll? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe all the "I can shoot any LW plane down easy" posturing gave him a false impression of the P-38 changes. It has been improved, but, certainly not uberized.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DKoor
01-11-2007, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Many have fallen in front of my trusty P47D, it's a deal http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif +1 bet on Brain.

On top of that I never claimed sanity so I'll still go with the 109 FTW.
Against most of the noobs sharklike 109 silhouette alone proves to be an unpassable obstacle.

Let alone good Mk108 burst in the arse.
Yee haw.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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AKA_TAGERT
01-11-2007, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
Ha! They look thinner in the movie. and more Masculin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Why don't you two get a room?

So the rest of us guys don't have to listen to your QUEER EYE FOR THE SIM GUY exchange on how men look.

Talk about Ghay!

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01-11-2007, 02:34 PM
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BSS_CUDA
01-11-2007, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
How nice for all those that got the P-38l as their favourite aircraft.

Now in this game, you can do what you have read about in books and seen in movies, with the aircraft of your choice. So whats your point, or is your whole post about the Troll? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe all the "I can shoot any LW plane down easy" posturing gave him a false impression of the P-38 changes. It has been improved, but, certainly not uberized. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>well I dont know who said they could shoot down any LW plane easy, that sure didnt come from me. I only said I can shoot down the FW easy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif as for shooting down any LW plane easy thats not the case. I cant catch the 262 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

Jester : TopGun

faustnik
01-11-2007, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
How nice for all those that got the P-38l as their favourite aircraft.

Now in this game, you can do what you have read about in books and seen in movies, with the aircraft of your choice. So whats your point, or is your whole post about the Troll? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe all the "I can shoot any LW plane down easy" posturing gave him a false impression of the P-38 changes. It has been improved, but, certainly not uberized. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>well I dont know who said they could shoot down any LW plane easy, that sure didnt come from me. I only said I can shoot down the FW easy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif as for shooting down any LW plane easy thats not the case. I cant catch the 262 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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GR142-Pipper
01-11-2007, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
This v4071 is really great the complete bullsh1t turn rate and turn time monopol Oleg gave to Allied planes is greater than ever, I hope that will increase his sales http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Why is it that we didn't hear a peep out of you when the 109G-2 all of a sudden started turning like a Yak-3? (which it still does, btw). No need to reply as it's a rhetorical question. We already know the answer.

GR142-Pipper

GR142-Pipper
01-11-2007, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
look me up sometime Jerry, you in your Run90 (anyone you chose) and me in my 38 and we'll see who's Fodder http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif I guarantee that I can out turn every 190 in the game, and unless your flying the Dora I will out run you as well. and we can do this in either 4.05 or 4.07 it makes no difference to me, results will be the same. Indeed. It's a new day. Now they'll have to stand and fight...a new (and unpleasant) experience for many. (snicker)

GR142-Pipper

Brain32
01-11-2007, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by GR142-Pipper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
This v4071 is really great the complete bullsh1t turn rate and turn time monopol Oleg gave to Allied planes is greater than ever, I hope that will increase his sales http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Why is it that we didn't hear a peep out of you when the 109G-2 all of a sudden started turning like a Yak-3? (which it still does, btw). No need to reply as it's a rhetorical question. We already know the answer.

GR142-Pipper </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The answer is *drums* - you is wrong. The real 109G2 hit 20-21.5 sec for complete 360 deg turn time at 1000m in clean configuration and 22,6-22,8 with gunpods according to Russian test, and 22sec in Finnish test. While the only guy that even tried to test and showed his results a.k.a. robban75 made 22.8 for a clean in-game 109G2 in v405. Maybe you can do it better?

As for my above rant, it wasn't aimed at P38 at all, actually I always thought P38 should be able to turn better than it was able to in v405. But I have no problems saying what troubles me, it's all about two planes, actually about relative turn perfomance between them and Kraut planes, the two lucky winners are P47D_late and my personal all time favourite warbird TempestMkV. They also both lack in areas that should be their strong points(P47D_late in roll-rate at speed, Tempest in rear view and previously nasty overheat characteristics), in a way it seems that lack of those other positive characteristics was compensated with unrealistic turn ability(relative to German planes), a solution I'm not very fond of.
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Gibbage1
01-11-2007, 07:04 PM
Here is a photo I took of Tagert at Chino.

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FritzGryphon
01-11-2007, 08:04 PM
robban75 made 22.8 for a clean in-game 109G2 in v405.


I don't know what or how Robban was testing, but I've checked 109G2 sustained turn in nearly every version from the original IL-2 (I like it, ok), and it's always been 20 seconds at 1000m.

I gave it a go in 1946 just now. Crimea, noon, 1000m, 100% fuel, 110% power. I get 20 seconds turn time, at a speed of 240IAS (260TAS). Anyone can test this for themselves in 5 minutes.

It's always been that way. Any differences in this plane's level manueverability have been handling characteristics and nothing more.

Somewhat on this topic, the Bf-110G2 turn time is now only 26 seconds at 300IAS. This is notable because I've gotten 31 seconds (!) in previous versions. It's one plane that may actually have been porked, yet no one whined about it. I guess it's really just a popularity contest with these planes.

Badsight-
01-11-2007, 11:33 PM
Bf110 G2 was noted for its miserable turn from its release patch

but its axis so it doesnt matter

Originally posted by GR142-Pipper:
Why is it that we didn't hear a peep out of you when the 109G-2 all of a sudden started turning like a Yak-3? getting owned bites so hard doesnt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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UnknownTarget
01-12-2007, 05:03 AM
(Slightly OT) Just a question for all you P-38-ites out there. How do you map the separate engine throttles?