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Shoop_da_whoop
05-19-2007, 02:52 PM
Well, everybody has to start somewhere. I am looking into boarding the flight sim train (or commercial aircraft for that matter...) and would really like some help in general.

1. At first, I don't have a joystick and I sure as heck don't have a lot of money. Any specific joysticks that would be great for me to just start out with and like?

2. Would the best software option just be IL-2 1946 to start out with?

3. Is there any general knowledge I should know before starting out the whole flight sim thing?

Korolov1986
05-19-2007, 03:04 PM
First of all, make sure that you know what you're getting. IL-2 1946 is a combat aircraft simulator - ATC and real flight procedures are generally thrown out the window for a in-your-face style dogfight. If you're looking for a civilian trainer sim, look elsewhere. If not, read on.

For a starting joystick, I suggest you start at www.saitek.com (http://www.saitek.com) as they offer some good multifunctional sticks that won't break the bank. There are other stick manufacturers out there, but the Saitek offerings usually have enough features to keep you happy (e.g., stick twist for rudder control and a basic rotary/slider for throttle).

General knowledge comes as you get more involved. There's definitely some threads around here that have everything you need to know in them, and I'm sure somebody will post a link to them here shortly.

VW-IceFire
05-19-2007, 03:08 PM
Welcome to the forums!

1) Joystick is essential as you may have guessed...you can get a fairly cheap Saitek Cyborg series stick for $30-$40 and that will last you a good long time with plenty of buttons. Its not a super stick but the reputation is solid. Don't under any circumstances get a Logitech...they look good...they function good for about a month and then they die.

2) Definitely get IL-2 1946...its a well established game...and the variety is huge. If bombing is your thing then there are multiple bombers, if fighters is your thing there are literally hundreds of types available, and everything in between (attack, dive bomber, fighter-bomber, etc.).

3) General knowledge is good...even Wikipedia articles on planes like the P-51 Mustang, Bf109, FW190, A6M Zero, and so forth is a good place to get a sense for WWII air combat. But don't come in with too many preconceived notions and certainly don't believe a word of anything from the History Channel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I would say that you should expect to spend the first month of play getting used to the controls, sorting out which planes you like, and using the quick mission builder to start to get the hang of things. I wouldn't go online right away but if you do make sure you get HyperLobby (http://hyperfighter.sk/).

I would also point out that some of the default campaigns are a bit on the boring side. If you want to stay with the single player side of things hit up: www.mission4today.com (http://www.mission4today.com) and check out any one of the excellent campaigns that are on there.

ddpairborne59
05-19-2007, 03:27 PM
This is an excellent reveiw where to start.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9121094645

Dagnabit
05-19-2007, 03:49 PM
Shoop..
In case you missed it when you clicked on ddpairborne59s, link. These are some links from the same gentleman (Bearcat), lots of excellent links here with tons of info.
Welcome to the forum, hope you enjoy it here. You will find alot of people here that will help with most any question.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=51910959

Regards
Dag

Shoop_da_whoop
05-19-2007, 04:32 PM
Appreciate all the help there mates.

Af or the Saitek sticks. Now, I have found a store near me that sells some sticks and figured these two are probably what you guys are talking about:

PS33 Aviator Dual Throttle
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4169687

Cyborg Evo
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3953061

I can't really imagine there being a big difference and am thinking of going with the PS33... so... go for it?

VMF-214_HaVoK
05-19-2007, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Shoop_da_whoop:
Appreciate all the help there mates.

Af or the Saitek sticks. Now, I have found a store near me that sells some sticks and figured these two are probably what you guys are talking about:

PS33 Aviator Dual Throttle
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4169687

Cyborg Evo
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3953061

I can't really imagine there being a big difference and am thinking of going with the PS33... so... go for it?

I know the Evo is a quality stick and seems to be the best choice in that price range. It has taken the place of the MS Sidewinder Precision since MS no longer makes them. I know many who own one and are very pleased. I dont know anyone that owns the Aviator or have I read too many reviews on it. So I would say the safe choice is the Evo.

Welcome to the community and the greatest and most fun combat sim ever created. If you wish to fly online or chat download and install Hyperlobby.

S!

Bearcat99
05-19-2007, 09:55 PM
1. Be patient... go here to get your Saitek stick since money is an issue (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html). $70 for an X-52 is a great price and you wont be needing another one soon. You said you wanted to dive in... so say you drop the $60 for a new Evo... well for $10 more you can get a reconditioned X-52 and be done with it for a spell. They make great sticks, have fantastic support, the profiling software is flexible as all get out... If you want to get into simming then dont skimp on your stick... go for bang for the buck... and those reconditioned sticks can't be beat with a stick. (No pun intended.) Even if you decide on the Evo... get it there. This sim screams for a HOTAS (<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">H</span>ands <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">O</span>n <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">T</span>hrottle <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">A</span>nd <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">S</span>tick) though and the X-52 for the price of $70 cant be beat.

2. This sim will be really demanding on your time, your love life,your wallet and your WOW sensors.. (If you like planes and such then just about any sim will do that but this one on particular is just so gooood http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif ) so if you can start off anywhere and grow into it than thats better than dropping say... $60 now and another $80 for a throttle later etc etc.. just get the reconditioned X-52 now ... and be happy. Then you can get some rudder pedals later.. once you get hooked http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif. For a combat sim in a well rounded package this sim has no equal.. if you want a good commercial sim the the MSFS sims are what you want... If you decide you want to check out the civil aviation side as well get FSX Deluxe from here (http://www.gogamer.com/Microsoft-Flight-Simulator-X-Deluxe-Edition-DVD--I--PC-Simulations_stcVVproductId6455929VVcatId444808VVvi ewprod.htm). The deluxe retails for $69... the standard retails for $49... at $39 either one is a bargain.. but the deluxe is a steal.. and it may not be like that long..

3. I dont know what kind of rig you have but both products are pretty demanding on a PC... 1G of RAM is the sweet spot.. more wont hurt.. but less can be a pain. But it is doable. Id need to know more about the PC you were running it on. They work better with desktops than with laptops... If your PC is a decent one from say... @ the standards for decency over the last 3 or 4 years it should be OK I know a guy who used to run FB on a XP1600 with a 64M video card and 512 of RAM... he didnt run it welll... and very often we would say things like... "The target is next to that small town...." and he would say.."What town..??" but he ran it.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Hit the Essentials link in my sig... lots of good info and websites & stuff there... This sim is very challenging... if you are totally new to flight sims it may take a while to even be able to fly well.. much less fight.... but IMO it is worth it... lots of fun.... a great community... and a very good hobby. Less expensive than golf...


Hmmm J&R.... I take it you are in N.Y. somewhere. Welcome aboard. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

There is a pretty decent bunch here... more than willing to help with any questions you might have so dont hesitate to ask.

Shoop_da_whoop
05-19-2007, 10:20 PM
x-52 refurbished thing, I wont lie, looks good. My question though is that how sure can I be of the fact that they are reconditioned? I've noticed that a ridiculous amount of sticks lose their sharpness after awhile no matter what but wouldn't there be a greater chance at these dying earlier (lets say they survive the first few months)?

Though at the $70 price + $30 for the game, I might actually be able to get both as a end school + SATs and regents gift later into next month...

AlGroover
05-19-2007, 10:34 PM
Your best choice of stick also depends on how you want to control you view (camera panning). If you are happy with using a hat switch or are prepared to invest in TrackIR then HOTAS (X52 or similar) is the way to go. If you want to use the mouse with your left hand then a single unit like Evo is better.

karost
05-19-2007, 10:38 PM
after you got your joystick and IL-2 1946 then
the next most expensive is your "TIME" when you
become a simmer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Shoop_da_whoop
05-20-2007, 10:12 AM
Well, just really curious, has anyone actually bought the reconditioned ones?

Bearcat99
05-20-2007, 10:33 AM
Why not make a post asking that very question? From what I hear none of the people I know of have had issues with them....

VMF-214_HaVoK
05-20-2007, 11:39 AM
I can not speak for reconditioned sticks because I have never tried one. Like BC said, start a thread asking that very question. I can speak for the X-52 though. I have owned mine for almost 2 years and its as sharp and precise as the day I got it.

Xiolablu3
05-20-2007, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Shoop_da_whoop:
Well, everybody has to start somewhere. I am looking into boarding the flight sim train (or commercial aircraft for that matter...) and would really like some help in general.

1. At first, I don't have a joystick and I sure as heck don't have a lot of money. Any specific joysticks that would be great for me to just start out with and like?

2. Would the best software option just be IL-2 1946 to start out with?

3. Is there any general knowledge I should know before starting out the whole flight sim thing?


Good way to get a very good cheap joystick.


If you know a bit about computers OR you already have a Gameport on your soundcard/mobo, then get yourself a Microsoft FOrce Feedback Pro off Ebay for about 8-10.

If you dont have a gameport you can buy an old soundcard with one (old SB Live! is a good idea) off ebay for about 3. Fit it and just use the gameport, disable the other features.

Korolov1986
05-20-2007, 12:29 PM
Xiolablu, you're living in the past man.

My last Sidewinder had USB support, and that was 8 years ago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Ted04
05-20-2007, 01:14 PM
first of all...welcome to the sickness! To answer:
1> You NEED a joystick, go to one of the retail outlets, and buy the one you like in your price range

2. If you want to shoot things with prop planes IL2 1946 is pretty much it, if you like jets, try one of the strike fighters family, Wings over Vietnam is my fav there

3. No knowledge is needed, in fact, it's counter-productive in this game. You don't want to know that American planes weren't really all junk, the .50 cal was an effective weapon....or notice the missing planes and ships in the Pacific....

TSmoke
05-20-2007, 11:37 PM
Just my 2 cents here. Joysticks are kind of a personal like or dislike. Logitechs sux that simple, no reliability in them.

Some people love and hate the X-52 and X-45.

I used a MSFFB2 and now used the Saitek Aviator stick. Of all the sticks I have used over the years it is by far the most accurate, and has a nice firm spring tension. Dual throttles and a million other buttons and switches for your accessories.

If you can borrow or try out a stick at a shop it would at least give you a free feel LOL.
By the way IL2 is gonna suck the life from your free time....don't say you weren't warned hehehe.

Have fun thats what counts.

Yambretta
05-20-2007, 11:49 PM
'Saitek accepts direct orders from customers in the United States of America and Canada'

Bang goes my chances of a recon' stick.

I really hate it when companys do this as they don't have a problem floggin' there full price stuff to us. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif