View Full Version : Gunnery Training Video Bag the Hun

10-19-2008, 04:21 PM
I made this video to help new pilots learn how to improve their shooting.

It is also an experiment to see how you all take to animated characters in an IL2 movie. The characters are made with Moviestorm which does not yet have accurate WW2 figures, so please allow for the approximations. If this is well received then I and others may have a go at modding to get it right.

Please let me know what you think and if this technique could be used for more serious stories!

BLIP.TV (http://weebitfilms.blogspot.com/2008/10/bag-hun-moviestorm-and-il2-experiment.html) High quality streaming version.

YOUTUBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsIz2bIBLwM) (click "watch in high quality") Not so high quality streaming version.

MISSION4TODAY.COM (http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=3543) or FILEFRONT.COM (http://files.filefront.com/Bag+the+Hunzip/;12102763;/fileinfo.html) Download the WMV version.

FILEFRONT XVID Version (http://files.filefront.com/Bag+the+Hun+xvidzip/;12103254;/fileinfo.html) The highest quality version is which requires the XVID or DIVX codec and may cause flickering in WMP, in which case use the free VLC player.


For those who want more time to study the slides, download Bag The Hun (http://files.filefront.com/Bag+the+Hunpdf/;12111763;/fileinfo.html) or the German equivalent Horrido Des Jaegers Schiessfibel (http://files.filefront.com/Horrido+Des+Jaegers+Schielpdf/;12111425;/fileinfo.html)

Here are three of the exercises for quick study, with the three answers pages at the bottom:







10-19-2008, 04:50 PM
Thanks,Downloading now

10-19-2008, 06:17 PM
Fantastic video,Thankyou!

10-19-2008, 07:32 PM
Excellant top notch love it.


10-19-2008, 07:47 PM
Thanks, Joe!

Informative and entertaining to boot. A method well worth pursuing.

I thought the latter classroom scenes with the test charts could have been longer to give the viewer more chance to locate the correct deflection. Perhaps have the correct point begin flashing or become coloured when the correct answer is revealed.

Sometimes the instructor had to compete with the background music.

Great production and the cockpit scenes give the best instruction, imho.

Well done and a good instruction piece in its present form. WTG!


10-20-2008, 05:07 AM
Great vid - really liked it. The angle off shots could have been longer but at the same time there is a pause option.

Really liked the addition of the characters.

This will really help me out - thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

10-20-2008, 07:00 AM
I liked it, bt a few commnets coming

I didn't care for the none period music, beings it class, I'd of had no music.

Also the off sided shots, while students are talking about diagram, we could not see the diagram. Possibly zoom out a bit.

In time possibly the Instructor will be able to use a pointer stick. And really drive home the message.

The Humans are a bit jerky, but I realize its new Tech. and will improve.

We've all scene cockpit instruction over the year, and most are capable of duplicating it.

But I've read that book many times, and actually almost learned something here, if I could of seen the full picture, talking about angles and convergence that they were talking about.

10-20-2008, 08:15 AM
Nicely done, good stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


10-20-2008, 10:42 AM
nicely done Joe. Clever choice of song..Hey Joe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

an idea for next lesson could be dogfighting.

record an online fight and point out when and why you would do what in what situation aswell as show deflektion really put to use.

explain stuff about Energy manegement.
the term zoom and boom and how its done aswell as Turn and burn and how that's done.

nice vid.

10-20-2008, 11:23 AM
Hey Joe,

Good lesson, very well made. What a great idea.
I always have time for James Marshall Hendrix.

'Brothers in Arms' is beautiful...

10-20-2008, 12:35 PM
Thanks all and please keep the comments coming about the Moviestorm characters. Yes, they are a bit jerky and I will have to learn how to get the best from the program, but will they work in a serious story or will you be distracted? There are already many excellent Moviestorm machinima movies that work, but none in the flight sim community.

I also appreciate that the slides could have been up for longer, but I tried to make this entertaining as well as educational so the slide time was better kept to a minimum and music was added to give it more emotion. I hoped that anyone wanting to learn more would pause the video or download the book.

I have edited my first post to provide links and also a few of the exercise pages from the book for practice.

I welcome frank criticism so I know what will work for future movies!

10-20-2008, 01:13 PM
Very good and usefull. Nuggets guide?

10-21-2008, 06:06 AM
Excelent. Nice work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


10-21-2008, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by Joe-90:

Actually the "Bag the Hun" booklet provides a small transparent reticle to do the "speed test". Without that you don't have a reference diameter to guess the distance and angle (which you have off course in the air in form of your gun sight).

10-21-2008, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by No41Sqn_Banks:
Actually the "Bag the Hun" booklet provides a small transparent reticle to do the "speed test". Without that you don't have a reference diameter to guess the distance and angle (which you have off course in the air in form of your gun sight).

You wouldn't happen to have the transparancy and able to scan it to actual size now would you?

Oh and Joe I've already linked this thread elsewhere for some of the guys I know stuggling with this stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

10-21-2008, 09:33 AM
Holy Smokes! That was GREAT! I downloaded the HD version and thought it was top notch!

Very well done. Very well laid out.


Thanks for this!

VMF-124 XO

10-21-2008, 12:42 PM
Excellent!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

10-21-2008, 01:39 PM
Wow!!! It's on my fave list already, fun and educational!!!

10-21-2008, 03:27 PM
Fantastic...thanks for all the effort.

10-21-2008, 03:27 PM
This is top notch! Great, I love it!

10-21-2008, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
You wouldn't happen to have the transparancy and able to scan it to actual size now would you?

Yes I have it, but I will be unable to scan it for the next months.

It looks exactly like the ones on page 31 and 17 above (same colour and size).

10-21-2008, 05:58 PM
Good stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So many new players think deflection shooting is an esoteric art that involves some sort of psychic guess work where you call on the "force" and pick a random spot somewhere up ahead of the target close your eyes and pull the trigger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The range estimation tutorials are also excellent, especially for preparing to start flying with icons off. Convergence with icons off can be a problem for new punters.

10-21-2008, 07:47 PM

As an embedded loooong time lurker...I wanted to say that ALL of the vids on your site are superb.

The 'bag the hun' job is very cool...nothing to add that hasn't been said already...except, keep up the good work, and I look forwards to what you will bring in the future.

You and MP are my favorite IL2 movie makers.

Regards; piper.

p.s. The 'modded' game looks simply unbelievable...really.

10-21-2008, 10:04 PM
The top down views of the firing showing the gun convergnce are great. What map are you using for that? Looks like some sort of battle of Britain mod?

Also, I must say, that for that real old English bloke using the models of the spit and 109, that he has the landing gear down on both of them!

Good job on this mate,


10-22-2008, 01:32 AM
This is an amazing video! Great job! Very well done!