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cawimmer430
12-04-2007, 02:30 PM
I was in Stuttgart today and checked out the Porsche Museum and the big Porsche dealership, both next to the factory. I couldn't get a factory tour (you need to book that months in advance) but I did get some great shots of what's lying and driving around here.

We begin with the Porsche Museum. Truth be told, it's nothing spectacular a la Mercedes-Benz or BMW Museum: but they're building a new museum in the style of Mercedes and BMW, so that's something to look forward too. The museum is just a "small room" measuring about 50 meters by 15 meters with a handful of Porsche's on display. Some of the exhibits are not even labelled so you'll find yourself looking at a car or a transmission or engine and have no idea what it is about. Parking was also a major problem: Porsche didn't have a parking lot for visitors! I had to park at a local supermarket a few blocks down (and had to buy something at the supermarket to allow me to park on their lot for about an hour). Anyway, here are the pics! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Good 'ole Ferdinand. I was amazed when I read his biography that he had no ENGINEERING BACKGROUND at all! The man was a friggin genius! His family owned a plumbing business and he actually made an apprenticeship to become a plumber - and then he began working with engines and designing them. Friggin amazing!
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1922 Austro-Daimler "Sascha": This car was designed by Ferdinand Porsche in 1922. It was powered by a 1089cc 4-cylinder engine with 45-horsepower and could reach a then phenomenal speed of 144 km/h. The car was very advanced for its time as it featured light-weight-construction making it a superb race car in its day. Austro-Daimler was an automative company in Austria that had links to the Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft in Germany.
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1912 Austro-Daimler Firetruck: Ferdinand Porsche had a hand in the construction of this light firetruck, which was used by Austro-Daimler to safeguard its own factories. The car was capable of 55 km/h.
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1948 Porsche 356 Roadster "Nummer 1"
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No idea what this transmission was about. It lacked an info plaque...
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1956 Porsche 356 A Speedster
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1953 Porsche 356 America Roadster
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1986 Porsche 944 Turbo "Adler von Tirol"
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Modern Porsche suspension and brakes. I assume they're from a 996 or 997 Turbo because of the "turbo" inscription...
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1974 Porsche 911 Carrera RSR Turbo 2.1
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1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 x 4 "Paris Dakar"
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1998 Porsche 911 GT1 - Le Mans Winner
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1992 Porsche 911 Speedster
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Random shot of the museum...
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No info on this engine, but it sure as hell looked cool inside and out!
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1950 Volkswagen Beetle
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END OF PART I

JG4_Helofly
12-04-2007, 02:49 PM
WoW! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
Thank you very much for sharing. How long does it take to put all these pictures in one post?

Rickustyit
12-04-2007, 03:55 PM
Excellent Christian, as usual.

Nice pictures of excellent cars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I remember when I was a child and went to Munich to visit the famous BMW museum there with my parents, near the famous "4 cylinders" building, while my father was an inspektor for that brand.

Awesome museum , I could already recognize the F.W.190's engine, the BMW 801 in the museum, and I was about 11 or 12 years old http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

That one looks cool too!

Ciao

http://jshobbies.net/catalog/images/HA09444.jpg

RegRag1977
12-04-2007, 04:09 PM
Hey Christian, your thread and pics rock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Stiletto-
12-04-2007, 06:46 PM
Great pictures as usual Christian, gotta love Porsches. I'm actually thinking of possibly buying a 968 in the not so far future, some of the older front-engined ones can be had fairly in expensively with better handling than most 911's up to the 997.

ltforce
12-04-2007, 11:17 PM
Sweet job on the pics man!!! my dad was there about 3 months ago because he is a manager at a dealership here in Canada. I absolutely love the 911 carrera RSR turbo 2.1!!! thanks for all the great pics man especially of the interiors.

the unknown engine you were looking at likes like a 2.7 from a mid 70's 911 to mehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Porsche seems to use the same valve cover design well into the 1980s because i build Porsche race cars as a part time job and on our 934 i just finished rebuilding the engine and the valve covers are exactly the samehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ltforce
12-04-2007, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Stiletto-:
Great pictures as usual Christian, gotta love Porsches. I'm actually thinking of possibly buying a 968 in the not so far future, some of the older front-engined ones can be had fairly in expensively with better handling than most 911's up to the 997.

LOL man, sorry to bust your bubble but the front engine Porsche like the 928,944 and 968 dont handle better than the 911s especially the 964,993 and 996's. I have driven 2 928 race cars on the track from my work and yes they handle really smooth but then i took out a 996 turbo with street tires and pulled a better time on a tight track. The front engine Porsche's are great cars though man!! go for it if you want one the 968s are really nice!! good luck with your purchase man

woofiedog
12-04-2007, 11:31 PM
Would Really like to take the time and say... Thank You for all of these photo threads you have posted lately on the forum.

Very Interesting photos and Big Hand for the Extremely Mint Quality of your photos!

Thank You for all of this Hard Work and for sharing with us here at the forum.

Thank's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

WOLFMondo
12-05-2007, 02:50 AM
Great pictures. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif Porsches and the 911 GT1, I'd love to own a 997 GT3 RS.

cawimmer430
12-05-2007, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
WoW! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
Thank you very much for sharing. How long does it take to put all these pictures in one post?

No problem. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I won't lie, it's a LONG process. First I create a copy of the pictures, then I resize all the good shots and save them at medium quality so that they load quicker on messageboards. Then I have to upload them unto Imageshack (Photobucket is too unreliable with their broadband limits). I'd say an hour an half for both threads, since my Internet is a little slow when it comes to uploading shots. But it was worth it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cawimmer430
12-05-2007, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Rickustyit:
Excellent Christian, as usual.

Nice pictures of excellent cars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I remember when I was a child and went to Munich to visit the famous BMW museum there with my parents, near the famous "4 cylinders" building, while my father was an inspektor for that brand.

Awesome museum , I could already recognize the F.W.190's engine, the BMW 801 in the museum, and I was about 11 or 12 years old http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

That one looks cool too!

Ciao

http://jshobbies.net/catalog/images/HA09444.jpg

Thank you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Here is my trip to the "temporary" BMW Museum if you're interested. Hope the link works. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Link: http://www.germancarzone.com/bmw-pictures/6750-%2A%2A%2...%2A-56k-warning.html (http://www.germancarzone.com/bmw-pictures/6750-%2A%2A%2Awimmer-visits-bmw-museum%2A%2A%2A-56k-warning.html)

cawimmer430
12-05-2007, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by RegRag1977:
Hey Christian, your thread and pics rock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Thanks buddy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cawimmer430
12-05-2007, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by Stiletto-:
Great pictures as usual Christian, gotta love Porsches. I'm actually thinking of possibly buying a 968 in the not so far future, some of the older front-engined ones can be had fairly in expensively with better handling than most 911's up to the 997.

Thanks and anytime. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wow! A 968! If you get this car you need to share it with us. I've always had an appreciation for the Porsche's with front engines: 924, 944, 928, 968...gorgeous, all of them. Of those, the 944 is by far my favorite followed by the 928. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

cawimmer430
12-05-2007, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by Ltforce:
Sweet job on the pics man!!! my dad was there about 3 months ago because he is a manager at a dealership here in Canada. I absolutely love the 911 carrera RSR turbo 2.1!!! thanks for all the great pics man especially of the interiors.

the unknown engine you were looking at likes like a 2.7 from a mid 70's 911 to mehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Porsche seems to use the same valve cover design well into the 1980s because i build Porsche race cars as a part time job and on our 934 i just finished rebuilding the engine and the valve covers are exactly the samehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Double thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I got more Porsche pictures coming up, but I need some time to prepare them etc. Plus, I went to another AIRCRAFT MUSEUM (with my camera of course). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cawimmer430
12-05-2007, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
Would Really like to take the time and say... Thank You for all of these photo threads you have posted lately on the forum.

Very Interesting photos and Big Hand for the Extremely Mint Quality of your photos!

Thank You for all of this Hard Work and for sharing with us here at the forum.

Thank's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Thanks Woofie (I can call you that, right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I got more pics coming up! So patience, patience! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

cawimmer430
12-05-2007, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Great pictures. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif Porsches and the 911 GT1, I'd love to own a 997 GT3 RS.

Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


Oh, by the way, on the way to my car I spotted THIS! A PORSCHE 959!!! "Rare" can't even describe this car! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1691/porsche959cw1.jpg
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HeinzBar
12-05-2007, 08:01 AM
S!,
If that's a real 959, that is a rare photo of one on the street. With the value of that car, I'd be afraid to drive it on busy roads. Nice capture though.

Since it seems that you and I are big Pcar fans, I thought I'd link a photo of my baby, 1970 911T. It's no where in the realm of a 959, but it's so fun to drive I haven't even connected the radio. I much rather listen to the webers singing at 4500rpm plus http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads8/BE1970_911T_600x450a1156709352.jpg

Monty_Thrud
12-05-2007, 12:41 PM
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END OF PART I[/b]

This has always been a favourite of mine, a stunningly beautiful car, i'll have two, one in black aswell, do you have a larger photo of this for my desktop?.

Stiletto-
12-05-2007, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Ltforce:
LOL man, sorry to bust your bubble but the front engine Porsche like the 928,944 and 968 dont handle better than the 911s especially the 964,993 and 996's.

Sorry I meant up to the 996, not 997.. It was due time for Porsche to rework the 911 in the mid 90's and as much as I love the 911, I find it hard to believe that 993 or older 911 will outhandle some of it's front engined counterparts.

First of all the 924,944,968 had near perfect 50/50 weight distribution (due to it being front engined). The 968 was voted best handling car of 1993 by Performance Car Magazine and I doubt they overlooked something as iconic as the 911.
The 911 has something like a 40/60 which tends to swing the tail out a bit too much (may not be the fastest but oh loads of fun!). I don't really know what the process was to iron out some of the excessive oversteer and keep grip on all 4's but the 911 has achieved this in the last 2 models, older models spend more time with the foot feathering the gas pedal. There is a reason why most supercars are mid-engined and not rear-engined.

Spinnetti
12-05-2007, 06:58 PM
Nice pics!

My dad was among the top Porsche salesman in the US when I was a kid, and my whole family made a number of trips including diner with the Ferry for his sales awards....

The brakes you show in the picture are about a $9,000usd option! - they are Carbon discs.

I've never been there as an adult, but have been to the BMW museum which is nice..

This pic is 1967 (I think) where they had us over to the factory for a sales award. This is my dad flinging it around (not sure which track).
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9914/porscheqj6.jpg

cawimmer430
12-08-2007, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by HeinzBar:
S!,
If that's a real 959, that is a rare photo of one on the street. With the value of that car, I'd be afraid to drive it on busy roads. Nice capture though.

Since it seems that you and I are big Pcar fans, I thought I'd link a photo of my baby, 1970 911T. It's no where in the realm of a 959, but it's so fun to drive I haven't even connected the radio. I much rather listen to the webers singing at 4500rpm plus http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads8/BE1970_911T_600x450a1156709352.jpg

Yep, a real 959. I spotted it near the Porsche Museum too! This was Porsche territory so it had to be real. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Beautiful car you got there. I always loved that particular body style, especially in such "wacky" colors like yellow, lime green, brown...it's just so late 1960s and 1970s. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

cawimmer430
12-08-2007, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
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END OF PART I[/b]

This has always been a favourite of mine, a stunningly beautiful car, i'll have two, one in black aswell, do you have a larger photo of this for my desktop?. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Monty, thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here's your photo: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4039/porschemuseum34cu1.jpg

I took in 1504 x 1000 format at NORMAL quality. It's a bit grainy since I used a high ISO speed due to the museum lighting conditions. Hope that's ok. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cawimmer430
12-08-2007, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by Spinnetti:
Nice pics!

My dad was among the top Porsche salesman in the US when I was a kid, and my whole family made a number of trips including diner with the Ferry for his sales awards....

The brakes you show in the picture are about a $9,000usd option! - they are Carbon discs.

I've never been there as an adult, but have been to the BMW museum which is nice..

This pic is 1967 (I think) where they had us over to the factory for a sales award. This is my dad flinging it around (not sure which track).
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9914/porscheqj6.jpg

Thanks, and nice pic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Those brakes are pretty "expensive" at $9,000! Holy cow! You could get a decent used car for that money! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Monty_Thrud
12-10-2007, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by cawimmer430:

I took in 1504 x 1000 format at NORMAL quality. It's a bit grainy since I used a high ISO speed due to the museum lighting conditions. Hope that's ok. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thank you cawimmer, thats very good of you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif