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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:52 AM
I love this community and now I am asking you for a favor.
will you guys provide me some info about studying in France?
Please, Moderators, don't lock my thread, I've got no where else to post, there's no off-topic borad and even no tech support anymore....Grrrrr/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif The reason I choose to post it in here is because I trust you guys in here.

I study English in my university for my undergraduate education. How do I apply for a French university and what major can I choose for my future graduate study? I am getting a bachelor's degree of art in a year. I personally love arts and language study.

I am learning French and I plan to go to France the next summer. Please, my friends, any suggestions are appreciated.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:52 AM
I love this community and now I am asking you for a favor.
will you guys provide me some info about studying in France?
Please, Moderators, don't lock my thread, I've got no where else to post, there's no off-topic borad and even no tech support anymore....Grrrrr/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif The reason I choose to post it in here is because I trust you guys in here.

I study English in my university for my undergraduate education. How do I apply for a French university and what major can I choose for my future graduate study? I am getting a bachelor's degree of art in a year. I personally love arts and language study.

I am learning French and I plan to go to France the next summer. Please, my friends, any suggestions are appreciated.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 09:01 AM
You can come here and try to speak (write french) first:

http://forumsfr.ubi.com/messages/overview.asp?name=_il2



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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:22 AM
Seb86 wrote:
- You can come here and try to speak (write french)
- first:
-
- <a
- href="http://forumsfr.ubi.com/messages/overview.as
- p?name=_il2"
- target=_blank>http://forumsfr.ubi.com/messages/ove
- rview.asp?name=_il2</a>
-


Thank you, Seb86

But I am not that good at French yet! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:33 AM
i left school at fourteen so i can't help too much,maybe you could contact your embassy in France they might have relevant info and ask about any foriegn student groups etc



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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:33 AM
Hi,

First of all where are you from? If you are from the EU, then it's completely different than if you are from another country, in which case you will need a visa. Even if you're from outside the EU, it is pretty different according to where you come from.

The easiest way would be to be part of an exchange program with a university in your country that exchange students (temporarily /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) with french universities.

For starters you can try looking here:

http://www.edufrance.fr/en/

http://www.discoverfrance.net/France/Academics/DF_abroad.shtml

Note here that the URL /DF_abroad makes this post on topic. Everyone knows what a DF is /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Message Edited on 06/24/0302:39AM by nicolas10

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:03 AM
nicolas10 wrote:
- Hi,
-
- First of all where are you from? If you are from the
- EU, then it's completely different than if you are
- from another country, in which case you will need a
- visa. Even if you're from outside the EU, it is
- pretty different according to where you come from.
-
- The easiest way would be to be part of an exchange
- program with a university in your country that
- exchange students (temporarily /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) with french universities.
-
- For starters you can try looking here:
-
- http://www.edufrance.fr/en/
-
-
- <a
- href="http://www.discoverfrance.net/France/Academi
- cs/DF_abroad.shtml"
- target=_blank>http://www.discoverfrance.net/France
- /Academics/DF_abroad.shtml</a>
-
-
- Note here that the URL /DF_abroad makes this post on
- topic. Everyone knows what a DF is /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
- Nic

Thanks, Nic /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I am from China and everyone knows China is not an EU country. lol

I don't think my college has any exchange students programs with any French universities. I know we do have connection with some Belgium colleges (well, in there people speak French too, right? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ), but it's France I am looking forward to../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Anyway, any recommendation about univerisities would be great too!

Thanks for the great info again, Nic, I do appreciate that./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:07 AM
crunchieone wrote:
- i left school at fourteen so i can't help too
- much,maybe you could contact your embassy in France
- they might have relevant info and ask about any
- foriegn student groups etc
-

Thank you for the suggestion, crunchieone!

I wanted to leave school when I was receiving my primary education 'coz I kinda hated my maths teacher/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

well,my parents wouldnt let me do it and "threatened" me with FORCE.


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:13 AM
From China I'm afraid it will be hard to get a visa by yourself to study here. Basically from eastern europe, asia, african countries, the gvt will think you are trying to immigrate in the country, so it's harder to get a visa than if you lived in so called 'civilised country'.

BTW reaching the french embassy in a country like China can prove extremely difficult, if not impossible http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I'll try to provide more info before tomorrow.

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Message Edited on 06/24/0303:15AM by nicolas10

michapma
06-24-2003, 11:23 AM
Nic, do you think he can get a job with the French air force through a demonstration of flying skills?

???

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:57 AM
I think coming to france with a brand new J10 fighter for study would help. Otherwise I'm not sure.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 12:54 PM
France?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAN, DONT DO IT!!!

Oh wait, maybe your not American, sorry.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 12:59 PM
WHY ?

France is a very beautiful country, and have a great level of education!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 01:25 PM
Well i'm French and i disliked studying in France- much prefered the UK education system. However that is besides the point as it is just my personal experience.
I'll ask around- probably no info before next week though.

I worked in New Brunswick Canada for a while and they have a university with good links with china. Keep Canada in mind- may be easier to get a student visa.

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06-24-2003, 01:48 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:33 PM
What kind of studies did you do Aguirre?

Just curious...

From my experience it's always much nicer to study in another country than to study in your own. Anyway it's more fun.

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Message Edited on 06/24/0306:35AM by nicolas10

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:14 PM
nicolas10 wrote:
-
-
- BTW reaching the french embassy in a country like
- China can prove extremely difficult, if not
- impossible /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
-
--
- Nic
-
Hi Nic /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
i was thinking more like ,contact the Chinese embassy in France./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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michapma
06-24-2003, 03:29 PM
Another problem is that it is extremely competitive. There are many students in China who want to come west to study. RedMelody already has a good level of working English, which is a major advantage, although it may be difficult to demonstrate the quality in a qualifying exam. (Many Chinese students study for the TOEFL and learn tons of words but can't speak well at all.)

I don't know how it is for art curricula though. I was thinking more along the lines of technical studies.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 05:02 PM
nicolas10 wrote:
- From China I'm afraid it will be hard to get a visa
- by yourself to study here. Basically from eastern
- europe, asia, african countries, the gvt will think
- you are trying to immigrate in the country, so it's
- harder to get a visa than if you lived in so called
- 'civilised country'.
-
- BTW reaching the french embassy in a country like
- China can prove extremely difficult, if not
- impossible /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
-
- I'll try to provide more info before tomorrow.
-
- Nic


Hi, Nic

Thank you for your concern. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

One thing I would like to say is that there is only around 15% of the total Chinese students who want to go to France is refused each year. If a student has a solid financial background and with a good study plan, it is not that hard to obtain a visa from the French embassy.

This kinda thing is important, but I think I should have no big trouble in obtaining a visa if i am accepted by a decent French university. My main concern is to find the right university and the right major. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif





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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 05:06 PM
michapma wrote:
- Nic, do you think he can get a job with the French
- air force through a demonstration of flying skills?
-


That's a brilliant idea, indeed! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But I guess they don't want a guy who only flies prop planes.... sad the LOMAC is delayed for another time, or I'd have a better chance. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 05:09 PM
Bamatt wrote:
- France?
-
- FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAN, DONT DO IT!!!
-
- Oh wait, maybe your not American, sorry.
-

Hi, Bamatt

I am not American, but I think that French is a nice country with wonderful people.


Regards!

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 05:37 PM
I studied in Germany and a good friend of mine studied in France at the same time. Despite my fumbling German, the German people were gratious and very helpful and in short I had a wonderful time. My friend (we had the same advisor here in the states and were sent to do research in different chem labs) who was in Paris had a hell of a time. The French people detected his fumbling French and wouldn't give him the time of day.

this may not be indicitive of the French in general, but my advice is learn the language and if you are an American, make sure that can't detect that. LOL.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:38 PM
OK Red, look here: It's a list of universities with a link to their international relations website, and also contact information.

http://www.education.gouv.fr/sup/univ.htm

You are right, with a good financial background you should be fine to obtain a visa. I was thinking about cases where the persons came from russia and had no money. For them it is extremely difficult to get one, although it is still possible.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:53 PM
OberstOberst wrote:

- My friend who was in Paris had a hell of a time.
- The French people detected his fumbling French and
- wouldn't give him the time of day.
-
- if you are an American, make sure that can't detect
- that. LOL.

He was in Paris. Nothing new under the sun.
I don't think being American was the issue; not being French, rather.

I truly love both France in general, and Paris particularly, and they're made by French, so...
I'd only change common French attitude (chauvinism) sometimes but.. nobody's perfect, right?
Not even Americans... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:11 PM
OberstOberst wrote:

- I studied in Germany and a good friend of mine
- studied in France at the same time. Despite my
- fumbling German, the German people were gratious and
- very helpful and in short I had a wonderful time.
- My friend (we had the same advisor here in the
- states and were sent to do research in different
- chem labs) who was in Paris had a hell of a time.
- The French people detected his fumbling French and
- wouldn't give him the time of day.
-
- this may not be indicitive of the French in general,
- but my advice is learn the language and if you are
- an American, make sure that can't detect that. LOL.



Nice to hear that you had a good time in my country!

As to the french, I wouldn`t generalize in that way you did. Sometimes its the behaviour and attitude of the visitor as well. I mean, if someone is behaving like Rumsfeld he will have a hard time in Germany as well. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I`ve visited France several times after finishing school, hitch-hiking across the country. I spoke the french I learned at school, the people there appreciated that a lot and it were very very nice times!
You wouldn`t think the french love the germans by nature, would you?

Same to the americans. Germans like americans by nature, and they are mostly curious about them, but they also have a sense for behaviour. Behave like an *** and you will be treated like one. Same would happen to me in the US, don`t you think? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Besides that, the original poster already said he is from China. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:56 PM
france is more then half arab muslim. If you know any french women and men who moved to the us they will tell you they hate it there

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:01 AM
michapma wrote:
- Another problem is that it is extremely competitive.
- There are many students in China who want to come
- west to study. RedMelody already has a good level of
- working English, which is a major advantage,
- although it may be difficult to demonstrate the
- quality in a qualifying exam. (Many Chinese students
- study for the TOEFL and learn tons of words but
- can't speak well at all.)
-
- I don't know how it is for art curricula though. I
- was thinking more along the lines of technical
- studies.
-
- Mike

Hi Mike,

I am sorry to admit the fact that Chinese students are gaining a BAD reputation for their extremely high scores in qualifying examinations but, ironically, many of whom lack the true abilities of communication.

It's true that Chinese students are experts at taking exams and getting terrific scores, but I think that is way too little and really can't prove much except that this guy knows how to tackle with exams. I think what I want to learn abroad is not merely some book-hitting, but rather the natural way of learning and understanding the true happiness of obtaining knowlege.





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Message Edited on 06/25/0307:05AM by RedMelody

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:05 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- france is more then half arab muslim. If you know
- any french women and men who moved to the us they
- will tell you they hate it there
-
Leadspitter = twice wrong.

1- France has roughly a 10% muslim population. If you "know" it's 50%, back up your facts by official census number. Please do, this might be entertaining.
2- I am French, I moved to the US, I don't hate it there. I could give you 3 people from my company with the same feelings. Too bad for your over generalized statement

Now, go back to your sandbox. Learn about a country before talking about it.

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:38 AM
OberstOberst wrote:
chem labs) who was in Paris had a hell of a time.
- The French people detected his fumbling French and
- wouldn't give him the time of day.
-

just to show the other side of the coin... i've been living here in France for over three years now and not one person has been rude to me because of language difficulties..



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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:05 AM
well, i can say i would pay not to go to france

well same for china to though

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:21 AM
Your friend just happened to meet the wrong sort of Frenchmen. They're not all like that. My French is terrible (je parle comme Tarzan) and I've been all over the country and never had anybody put me down or criticize--on the contrary, when I apologized for my bad French they'd always say, "Oh, but I can understand you," and in fact I had to ask people sometimes to correct me so I could improve; they felt that would be impolite.

And that includes Paris, too. Everybody has always been damn nice to me in that respect and others. Which I can't say for certain other European countries.

French academics and university students can be pretty loathsome but then so can their American or British counterparts. As long as you stick with the ordinary working-class people, you'll find they're just as nice as anybody anywhere.

Of course you say you're going there to study so you'll be dealing mostly with the most irritating class in France or ANY country so I don't know....

I like France. Don't think I'll be going there again any time soon, because of all the stuff that's going on, but I hope to get back there some day. If you can, go.

And Leadspitter? You are just as full of govno as a Christmas turkey, you know that? Fifty percent Muslim! Do you just make these things up out of your head, or what?

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 10:06 AM
Rifleman75 wrote:
- well, i can say i would pay not to go to france
-
- well same for china to though


I met a guy from the States and he told me something that really cracked me up. He said when he told his friends and relatives that he was goning to China, everyone looked so sad as if he was not going to a country to work but a wild, uncivilized place in which minded numerous hidden dangers which could get him killed. He was told that, in Shanghai, everyone carries a knife in his pocket when they are out shopping, every Chinese man still had a pigtail hanging behind his head. or stuffs like that.

These rumors are all B.S. The Chinese people here are just as friendly as everyone else in the world. And please don't get carried away by some stupid movie makers who gave you an illusion that the time for China was still in 1848. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

What is the scariest thing? It is the misunderstanding and isolation that keep us from knowing each other.

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 10:10 AM
nicolas10 wrote:
- OK Red, look here: It's a list of universities with
- a link to their international relations website, and
- also contact information.
-
- <a href="http://www.education.gouv.fr/sup/univ.htm"
- target=_blank>http://www.education.gouv.fr/sup/uni
- v.htm</a>
-
-
- You are right, with a good financial background you
- should be fine to obtain a visa. I was thinking
- about cases where the persons came from russia and
- had no money. For them it is extremely difficult to
- get one, although it is still possible.
-
- Nic


Nic,
I can't be more grateful!
S!

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 10:14 AM
Nic's nice, isn't he?

For a Frenchman...



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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 11:44 AM
Hi Nic,
In answer to yr question:
primary and high school in the UK- (i'm french but lived 16 years in the uk as a kid) then economics at university in france. then worked in france moved back to the uk and ireland for a few years and then came back to france- I love both countries. I just think the french education system is based more on learning things by heart- the uk system gives more importance to comprehension and having one's own ideas. It also allows people to cross from one field of study to another fairly easily- very hard to do in france. My preference goes by far to the uk system.

Leadspitter i found your post offensive- even if France was 50% muslim which it isnt, i don't see why it should influence anybody's decision to study in France.

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:03 PM
I see what you mean. In graduate school, I often found people who didn't like when they didn't have a very "structured" course where they could just learn it by heart. It made them feel safer or something. When the courses didn't follow this kind of scheme, they seemed lost.

However there are several kind of education in France. For instance graduate schools and universities are completely different worlds.

And Red, you're welcome, and good luck in your search.

Nic

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Message Edited on 06/25/0304:04AM by nicolas10

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 02:13 PM
ups





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under 30k?



Message Edited on 06/25/0302:31PM by NuFoerki

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 02:32 PM
Rifleman75 wrote:
- well, i can say i would pay not to go to france
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- well same for china to though
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- USA, ALL THE WAY!!



you sir, are a poor soul.





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under 30k?