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LeadSpitter_
12-11-2004, 11:55 AM
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14afdu.html

Interesting outdive accelarates the fw-190a8 and the mustang III outdives the Spitfire mk xiv.

Check it out S

VW-IceFire
12-11-2004, 12:00 PM
Its all pretty close.

Apparently the FW190 will get away initially but once he pulls out the Spitfire is on top of him.

Diving away is just not as useful a strategy as many of us thought it would be. Gotta come up with a new evasive strategy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BuzzU
12-11-2004, 12:30 PM
Diving away would be good if we could shoot out a James Bond oil spray on the bad guy.

LeadSpitter_
12-11-2004, 12:55 PM
check in orr buzz some ki84 charts

VW-IceFire
12-11-2004, 12:56 PM
Yeah right on...I'd go for that. More James Bond gadgets!

Speaking of the Mark XIV. I think the project is dead. I can't raise any of the guys who were interested and I was trying to co-ordinate.

IL2-chuter
12-11-2004, 01:01 PM
I'm co-ordinated !!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sorta. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

hotspace
12-11-2004, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Yeah right on...I'd go for that. More James Bond gadgets!

Speaking of the Mark XIV. I think the project is dead. I can't raise any of the guys who were interested and I was trying to co-ordinate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

**** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif How's the Spit F.22 coming along, m8?

Hot Space

FatBoyHK
12-11-2004, 02:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Yeah right on...I'd go for that. More James Bond gadgets!

Speaking of the Mark XIV. I think the project is dead. I can't raise any of the guys who were interested and I was trying to co-ordinate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh noooooooooo!!!!!! plssss!!!! so what is missing?

blairgowrie
12-11-2004, 03:06 PM
That is really bad news IceFire. There will be a lot of broken hearts, including mine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

VW-IceFire
12-11-2004, 03:12 PM
Its just a matter of...I had some e-mails going...I was hoping things would spur on from there but nothing at all. I've sent 2 e-mails in the last few weeks just to see how things were going, what research materials I should try and gather, etc. But no reply at all.

So its not looking good.

Fievel still has a perfectly good looking FR XIVe that was in progress. Outlaw UK had been investigating the cockpit.

The Mark 22, an interesting bird, a post-war bird actually...although its not all that different in performance than the best of the P-47 or the Ta-152 seems to be coming along. The guy making it seems to have steady progress...it just takes a long while.

My ultimate hope is to be able to recreate the last 4 months of the war in a campaign that features the Tempest V, the Spitfire XIV (the two planes working side by side in co-ordinated efforts), the Typhoon for the massive anti-flak and ground pounding supression, the P-51, the P-47, the P-38, and then featuring the opposition in the form of the FW190D-9's, the Bf-109K-4's, the Ta-152H, and the experimentals ranging from the Do-335 to the He-162 and of course the Me-262. It'd be quite a campaign...Ian Boys has given me some hope that he may build the perfect map to which I can act this campaign out. And most of the ingrediants are now starting to show up except for the Typhoon IB which has a bleek looking future and the Spitfire XIV. Ironically, its likely that we will get a Do-335 which I think is great. Fortunately, my favorite, the Tempest V is essentially done minus the cockpit which was almost done last I heard (details like optimizing polys and adding the correct information for needles on the instruments). So not all is lost...but thats the hope I was having and its been dashed quite a bit.

For me...its not so much about the performance...its about quality modeling, proper markings, and a respect for history. I can use the Spitfire IX if the XIV falls through...but its not quite the same thing...it doesn't have the same impact. But I try. In the meantime, I wait.

WUAF_Badsight
12-11-2004, 03:23 PM
wasnt the cockpit ready for the Mk14 ?

VW-IceFire
12-11-2004, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
wasnt the cockpit ready for the Mk14 ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No...but there's minor modifications between a Mark 14 cockpit and a Mark VIII cockpit. The biggest modification would be the Mark II GSS (I think I got that right) which is the British version of the K-14 gyroscopic gunsight. All XIV's that I know of were equipped with such a sight.

So I think cockpit would be easy...in comparison to the external.

Arm_slinger
12-11-2004, 07:26 PM
We can only but pray it all works out

Aaron_GT
12-12-2004, 03:29 AM
IceFire, have you tried contacting some of the people over at the Janes WW2 Fighters fan site? (ww2f.net???). They have a Spit XIV model that looks spot on. I am not sure if they have a specific Spit XIV cockpit too or are reusing the Spit IX one, but they might be nice enough to give you the raw 3D model and it might be up to IL2/PF/FB/AEP standards. Worth a shot, perhaps.

Aaron_GT
12-12-2004, 03:30 AM
"which is the British version of the K-14 gyroscopic gunsight"

The K-14 the the American version of the British site :-) The British had it first :-)

Aaron_GT
12-12-2004, 03:31 AM
site? I mean sight. Bah not enough coffee yet this morning.

Aaron_GT
12-12-2004, 03:40 AM
The Mk. 22 first flew in March 1945, so it is WW2 in that sense, at least.

WUAF_Badsight
12-12-2004, 04:03 AM
ok so the Mk was the re-engineer of the Mk5 airframe , but came out for service after the Mk9 (but its a more advanced Spitfire)

so the Mk14 is a developed Mk8 Airframe ?

with the Griffon of course , instead of the Merlin

im meaning , the Mk14 was the next Spitfire into service after the Mk8 ?

as in major production ?

WUAF_Badsight
12-12-2004, 04:21 AM
ok quick google netted this :

16 Mk10 made for Photo Recon (based on Mk7)

471 Mk11 made for Photo Recon (based on Mk9)

100 Mk12 , first Major change to the Spitfire family (Griffon motor , opposite turning prop)


then we get the Mk14 , 947 were produced & it was based on the Mk7 Airframe , had a 5 blade Prop

http://www.spitfiresociety.demon.co.uk/spitpix/rm689_l.jpg



then came the Mk16 , then Mk18 , & then the Mk21

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
12-12-2004, 04:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14afdu.html

Interesting outdive accelarates the fw-190a8 and the mustang III outdives the Spitfire mk xiv.

Check it out S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

interessting, but where do you read that it was compared with the A8 ?
i only read BMW801D-Engine, this can be everything from A3 to A8.

assuming that the Brits used the same FW(fighter-Bomber) which landed by accident on a British airfield in 41 it is an A3(engine running at A4 standards).

anyway i am looking forward for this plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Atomic_Marten
12-12-2004, 04:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Diving away is just not as useful a strategy as many of us thought it would be. Gotta come up with a new evasive strategy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is true..
And I do not think that there is some kind of 'magic' evasive manoeuver that could save us once the bandit (not AI) get on our 6.

For the most times when this happens I get shot down. One way or another. It is enough to receive some damage and after that your a/c is not combat ready, and it is matter of time when you will be shot down.

I reccomend bailing as new evasive tactic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Kurfurst__
12-12-2004, 04:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14afdu.html

Interesting outdive accelarates the fw-190a8 and the mustang III outdives the Spitfire mk xiv.

Check it out S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Uhm, the 190A is really a Jabo 190A-4 iirc, and I have some doubts it even ran at full power, but nevertheless interesting. What it tells you certainly, that while the Merlin spits had no hope in dives vs enemy machines, the XIV was fairly good. Still outdived, but close. And appearantly the gunpodded 109G-6`s dive results were relative better against the XIV.

Not in the game though, Spits easily dive with either 109s or 190s. The MkIX dives with the 109G, lololol.

Too bad no fourteen yet... my B2 Knopf finger itches for it!