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PlimPlam
10-20-2004, 05:34 PM
I was just practicing a bit in my spitty against some ai and I saw it on the qm and did a hmmm why not. 4 of em, hehe, this ought to be fun pretty much turned into an eeep fest on my part.

Whats the deal with this plane anyways I've never heard of it? Is it for real or just a prototype like the 09z?

Anyways it was fun to shoot down with p-47s and planes that had higher caliber cannon than 20mm. They just shrugged off my spits 20mm for the most part though.

Yellonet
10-20-2004, 05:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlimPlam:
...or just a prototype like the 09z? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Something like that yeah... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Vortex_uk
10-20-2004, 05:42 PM
what i don't get with these planes,if they never saw combat,and with the 109Z the prototype never flying and all,how the hell do they find FMs for them? Do they just guess? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Yellonet
10-20-2004, 05:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vortex_uk:
Do they just guess? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

PlimPlam
10-20-2004, 05:48 PM
Ouch.

LEXX_Luthor
10-20-2004, 05:54 PM
Like all modern high performance aircraft are designed by computer now...they just guess.

I saw it posted that Oleg may have used Bf~109Z as a test experiment, so future flight sims may generate realistic FMs with engineering data but not traditional flight test data. Given how the amatuer flight simmers fight each other over traditional flight test data, that may be the way to go.

crazyivan1970
10-20-2004, 06:44 PM
I-185 unlike 109Z seen the combat, very limited...but it is real

Denwad
10-20-2004, 06:57 PM
well IIRC teh IL engine doesn't use ghey data tables to calculate it's climb speed etc.

that data is calculated on-the-fly

p1ngu666
10-20-2004, 07:00 PM
109z saw combat be sure.
saw teh b17s high overhead, saw teh bombs drop
saw teh bombs land around airfield, saw teh bomb that hit it in the face, saw teh oilstained blackness.

Daiichidoku
10-20-2004, 07:02 PM
Even Stalin himslef wouldn't have been able to quash it's production, and the war would have been over 2 years ealier....if only the I 185 had a comfortable throttle lever http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

WTE_Galway
10-20-2004, 07:11 PM
While the 109Z never flew .. this thing did .. and probably provided a lot of information about the configuration:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap34.jpg

Aeronautico
10-20-2004, 07:20 PM
Galway, the 109Z is two 109G combined = easily done.

The P/F-82 Twin Mustang instead, had extensive changes done to the two fuselages, in size too. They ARE different from a stock '51. So much work to model it.

Aeronautico
10-20-2004, 07:22 PM
Beside it did not belong to the European Theatre, let alone the Eastern skies which FB belongs to. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Daiichidoku
10-20-2004, 08:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
Galway, the 109Z is two 109G combined = easily done. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Is it really so easy? the manufacture, perhaps can be....but just cuz its 2 109s riveted together doesnt mean it will fly ANYthing like a 109...perhaps if it ever did fly, they would have found the Z has dangerous flight characteristics....maybe it would have flown even better than it does in FB now....who knows?

The Corsair had plenty of calculated flight characteristics....tons of scale model wind tunnel tests...wasn't until after it flew they found the nasty wing drop stall....so they put a 6 inch strip along the port wing and made the wings stall at the same time....who's to say the Z wouldnt have any nasty lil surprises?

BTW, the Z was never even built with 2 G model 109s....

PlimPlam
10-20-2004, 08:43 PM
Really the i-185 was operational? Wonder why they never really flew it then. I just took out a gaggle of ai p-47s with it. Whereas in the p-47 I could take out a few of them but not as many.

Seems like a super bird for 42. Bit heavy but hey...

Anyways ya the guys over at wwiiol made there own wind tunnel too and they run everything through it. They've made mistakes with it on planes that are very well known. Let alone prototypes and what not.

Ahh well oleg seems like he knows what he is doing to me.

LEXX_Luthor
10-20-2004, 09:02 PM
They did really fly it. I~185 was a 1943 plane in real life--when it would have been mass produced that is. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I am still surprised that some computer simmers here still do all their World War 2 aviation research through the game data reader alone. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
10-20-2004, 09:10 PM
Basically, think of I~185 as 1943 plane, that is how I will use it in my dynamic campaign (if I ever finish it).

The campaign will basically start you out as "gunner" if you get killed or captured, then you work up to pilot...you can input a Choice of bombers or fighters, but your assignment will always have some random element. If you get killed or captured again you get reincarnated as "gunner." Should be good motivation to not take risky chances. Also, you get reborn on the same side so you can have some "patriotic" interest in the campaign. Better, if you fly Axis, you can get reborn as German, Italian, or even Japan, as one option will be to have Japan attack USSR as Hitler hoped they would. Or you can pick an Axis country and stay with that alone.

---> Japan and Italy will require FP planes and the Italian Patch coming soon (I hope, pingu?)

PlimPlam
10-20-2004, 09:11 PM
GAh!! Does that mean I have to go to the penalty box and feel shame?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Lexx Im like that tom cruise character in that racing movie he made. I just fly 'em don't know much more about 'em.

Just the basics. But I'll learn how to defeat teh kryptonite sooner or later!

Heh kidding aside I wouldnt of asked if I knew the answers.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Heh that reminds me of the first time I played wwiiol a few years ago. I knew what a 09 hurricane spit and all the rest were. Well I had to be sly about the h-75 but people kept going on and on about the "butcher Bird" and when it was going to be in game. So I asked.

I guess you could say I came into with this world with 2 things. Knowledge that I had a wing ding and that there was such a thing as the p-40.

The p being mutually exclusive in this case.

LEXX_Luthor
10-20-2004, 09:22 PM
That's "okay." I tutor physics and calculus waaaay different than I behave here. The real life students come crawling for help, asking for understanding, but flight simmers, well its a male "fighter pilot" thing, they come already knowing everything there is to know, and you get bored with them, so you just save time and make fun of them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Flight simming really does bring out the male agressivness fighter pilots are often known for--and what often got them killed or "shot down" but so did timidness and panic. But I guess FPS shooters do the same psycho thing, or even worse, so maybe this is a lame idea lol. I never went to any FPS shooter webboard.

LEXX_Luthor
10-20-2004, 09:30 PM
Here is how I think. Bf~109Z prototype got destroyed in a bombing raid. Now if your campaign has that bombing raid, and your side (Luftwaffe) succeeds in interception better than real life, then 109Z is Saved, and reaches production. It makes a brutal high speed low level interdiction machine...where you fly ~very~ long distance and bomb rail station or something. Everybody thinks of 109Z as "dogfighter" on the dogfight servers, but there is nothing but Fantasy in the idea of dogfight servers anyway, so la la la...

JR_Greenhorn
10-20-2004, 11:23 PM
Somebody should dig up some info about the USSRian pre-production planes that were tested in some region of Russia (its too late for my memory to work). Wasn't I-185s, MiG-3U, and some radial-version of MiG-3 all there for combat testing?

ELEM
10-21-2004, 02:03 AM
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/db/sov/I185POLI.html