View Full Version : FLORIN BOITER about sh-3 harbours.

01-05-2005, 10:32 AM
Florin Boitor] The harbours in SH3 are built with a generic tile set system. The component elements of the harbours will be the same. The difference between them will be the specific layout of the piers and buildings. The friendly ports - those the player can use - already have elements of action on the piers: civilians and military personnel assisting at departure/arrival of the player, military patrols and guard posts, shipyard workers and even idle conversations between characters on the docks . Remember though that the game focuses on the submarine simulation. The base locations will include atmospheric elements to some degree, but not in-depth life-like harbour details.

Expect to find ship traffic in harbours. In friendly harbours you'll get to see warships in patrol, tugs and small civilian vessels going around, etc.

In enemy harbours, things will be tough - escort patrols, air patrols, anti-sub nets, minefields, merchant shipping going in and out, and sometimes, prize ships at anchor if you're lucky.

The dynamic campaign includes the possibility to generate air attacks during entering or leaving a friendly port. It is not a guaranteed event, though. As the name "dynamic" suggests, these events will be dynamically generated!

now why dont they give us some footage or screens of this? i think we all would love to see something new and ground-breakin.

U-551 Kapitan
01-05-2005, 10:54 AM
Highlighting the word: new

01-05-2005, 11:33 AM
I really hope not... in Sh-2 I was sunked entering Lorient after a specialy successfull patrol and I got really annoyed... after that, I showed no mercy if I saw a plane flying low or something like that. And I started learning to mannage the AA guns by myself.
It's worst than seeing the end of Das Boot, because you feel as if your enormous effort has been wasted. Of course it must be much worse to be in that situation in real life, but I think that this is an almost impossible coincidence.
Knowing that... we will have to learn to enter the port with both engines all ahead, and dock as fast as you can.
Another difficult situation should be when we encounter the milkcow. But, if it is a non-interactive sequence, does this mean that you can't be attacked, or if not, that you can't direct the defense of your own sub while being attacked?

U-551 Kapitan
01-05-2005, 11:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yarrick_:
we will have to learn to enter the port with both engines all ahead, and dock as fast as you can. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know, it isn't going to be ahead slow, with the crew on deck waving to everyone as they cheer on the uboats glorious return.

01-05-2005, 01:19 PM
i just dont understand why its so hard to show us something of this in a video or screenshots.

01-05-2005, 04:41 PM
caus they are getting you so excited you are going to explode. Then it will be on the news all over the world

"oscar exploded today at 6pm at the bus stop. Spattering 2 old ladies with his pizza he had eaten earlier. The causes are thought to be Silent hunter 3 a new sub sim coming out soon!!!"

Dude you cant buy that sort of publicity!!

01-06-2005, 05:00 AM
Just a point about being attacked in a friendly harbour, I don't believe that a boat was ever lost from air attack while entering or leaving home port.

I forgot my source for this, maybe one of Clay Blairs books, either Volume 1 or 2 of 'Hitlers U Boat War' - an excellent read.

01-06-2005, 05:20 AM
that is if you don't count U-96 of coarse http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif heheh
i'll be goin in at 1/3 checking out all the cool stuff in the harbour... and avoiding collisions with other vessels http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
hopefully, if there is an air raid while heading into the pens, the devs have loaded the harbours with flak guns to make short work of anything with wings http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

01-06-2005, 05:43 AM

"Just a point about being attacked in a friendly harbour, I don't believe that a boat was ever lost from air attack while entering or leaving home port."

Not true. March 11, 1940 -- U-31, a Type VII commanded by Johannes Habekost was on the surface in home waters, near Wilhelmshaven. A RAF Blenheim bomber, cleverly used cloud cover to initiate a bombing attack. Four 250 pound bombs were dropped and a direct hit was scored. U-31 sank in 100 feet of water with all hands lost.

- dr cloak

01-06-2005, 05:50 AM
I forgot to add the following for my U-31 story. It was outbound from Wilhelmshaven, one of ten ocean-going boats that was to be deployed off Norway, in preparation to counter the supposed (it never materialized) Allied invasion of Norway to capture Narvik.

- dr cloak

01-06-2005, 06:11 AM
www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net) has a list of Uboats bombed in SAFE waters.


01-06-2005, 06:16 AM
Great link there Charos. I knew many more were bombed by aircraft while in home waters but only U-31 came to mind lol.

Nice info.

- dr cloak

01-07-2005, 08:49 AM
Good link. I think what the author in my reference was getting at was that there weren't any scenes like in Das Boot in the Biscay bases or even any bases. From the link you can see that most of the sinkings were of training boats which I guess may have been docked outside (ala Das Boot) and note that uboat,net puts the destination of many of these sinkings to be 'near' somewhere or other. Was flak too heavy for low level aircraft to get in and attack a Biscay base as in Das Boot? Would the allies have known when a boat was returning? When they broke enigma I guess they would have known but wouldn't have betrayed their knowledge of enigma attacking a boat when it returns? Can't have too many 'coincidinces'.

So in our game, I wouldn't expect to be attacked as I'm coming into base, maybe outside 'near' home and run the risk of going over a mine in the approaches if I don't wait for an escort. I think in Iron Coffins Herbert Werner talks about his boat blowing up actually in the harbour after going over a mine...and this I think he says was the only boat to have been lost like this.