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Yeats54
02-10-2006, 08:51 AM
Yes, I see that there is one, the J2M3.

Why are there no U.S. and just one flyable Japanese plane in the patch for PACIFIC FIGHTERS?

Yeats54

GoToAway
02-10-2006, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Yeats54:
Yes, I see that there is one, the J2M3.

Why are there no U.S. and just one flyable Japanese plane in the patch for PACIFIC FIGHTERS?

Yeats54 1: Because there will be no more US aircraft for PF.

2: Because most of the aircraft included in this patch were made by third parties and have been in the works for years.

major_setback
02-10-2006, 09:05 AM
The patch is for both Forgotten Battles (and the Ace Epansion Pack add-on) as well as for PF. The planes are spread over these three releases. They are to a very great extent the work of enthusiasts, Oleg and the development team (of this sim) have also contributed a lot of their free time in incorporating the new planes into the game, as well as improving the overall performance of the sim.
It's all been done for free.
Feel free to download the patch if you wish.

Yeats54
02-10-2006, 09:32 AM
I think that I'll leave the bandwidth to the rest of you guys. Actually, I'd uninstalled PF when I discovered the problem with wind effects and was hoping that the patch might address the issue.

When I purchased Pacific Fighters ($9.99+tax), I didn't realize that it was a cash-cow for the European version of the game. This isn't a complaint, btw. I should have researched PF better before I purchased it.

Thanks anyway,

Yeats54

FluffyDucks
02-10-2006, 09:48 AM
Just mind that ole'door doesn't catch yer butt on the way out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Geez some people will NEVER be satisfied. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

hotspace
02-10-2006, 09:51 AM
You must remember the Mosquito was also in the Pacific http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEBillfish
02-10-2006, 09:52 AM
Actually Yeats.........You have no idea how much you're missing. I cannot suggest strongly enough that you get the "Gold Pack" (IL2-Forgotten Battles + Ace Expansion Pack)....It really is worth it to have all three, and what has been "given" to us over and above the stock disks.......Proves it out to NOT be a cash cow for Ubi/or the IL2 series.......

Yet a winfall for us.

Chuck_Older
02-10-2006, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by GoToAway:

1: Because there will be no more US aircraft for PF.



Hi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Please, don't spread stuff like this. There is a big misconception that no more US planes will be in the sim, because of the NGC (Northrop-Grumman-Corporation) issue in PF. This is a rumor

This isn't true at all. Please remember that the boosted P-47D came after the release of PF

So, the theory that "no new US planes" will be in the sim is false

I know you're not purposefully telling tall tales. But there's really no other way for me to address it- you've been told something a little less than true, or you've misunderstood something you've read on the forums. The spread of misinformation regarding this issue is tremendous

I am not "in the know" about all the hows whys and therefores, but I can tell you what I DO know, and what I can make some very astute educated guesses on concerning the issue, if you want to PM me- the mods are supposed to lock threads that deal with the NGC issue because the issue is still unresolved. Shoot me a PM

Stigler_9_JG52
02-10-2006, 10:05 AM
Hey, Billfish, you ever check your Private Messages? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jetsetsam
02-10-2006, 10:05 AM
Cashcow?!

yeats, have you bothered to look at the unbelievably long list of flyable planes and AI planes, and do you have any idea of how many free updates with planes there have been in the history of this game?

There are lots of PTO planes. The skimpy list of PTO ships is another matter.

Like LEBillfish said, get the gold pack and you'll be hooked like the rest of us.

Chuck_Older
02-10-2006, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Yeats54:


When I purchased Pacific Fighters ($9.99+tax), I didn't realize that it was a cash-cow for the European version of the game. This isn't a complaint, btw. I should have researched PF better before I purchased it.

Thanks anyway,

Yeats54

Yeats-

if you had researched it, you'd know that PF was never originally intended to be an add-on to the "European" version of the game. You also don't seem to know how a lot of content for PF had to be left off the discs, because the publisher limited 1C:Maddox Games to just two CDs worth of content- to start with. More content was supposed to be released, similarly to the content we just got with v4.03. Then there were some legal troubles with the use of some planes in PF- which I will not discuss here. PM me if you'd like to, concerning that

I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just saying- you admit you didn't research it, but you assume you know all about it being a 'cashcow'. I hope you can see that you're really not looking at this with any objectivity- you assume it was some trick to get you to buy FB. If you knew the history of PF's development, you'd see that isn't the case at all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What's the "wind issue" you had trouble with, by the way? Lack of wind, too much, what? I pay fairly close attention to the boards and respond to lots of questions/concerns regarding the sim, I don't recall a wind issue being trouble for players

MercilessFatBoy
02-10-2006, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Yeats54:
I think that I'll leave the bandwidth to the rest of you guys. Actually, I'd uninstalled PF when I discovered the problem with wind effects and was hoping that the patch might address the issue.

When I purchased Pacific Fighters ($9.99+tax), I didn't realize that it was a cash-cow for the European version of the game. This isn't a complaint, btw. I should have researched PF better before I purchased it.

Thanks anyway,

Yeats54

Some one said some days ago we shuld be considered towards new NOOBS... LMAO WHAT A NOOB get out of here cannon fodder no one wants another easy target here any ways

lmao $9 and he whines... i am sure he got cfs2 wiht 6 flyable planes and he is satisfy...... lmao..... besides what air problem is he talking about?

GoToAway
02-10-2006, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Hi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Please, don't spread stuff like this. There is a big misconception that no more US planes will be in the sim, because of the NGC (Northrop-Grumman-Corporation) issue in PF. This is a rumor

This isn't true at all. Please remember that the boosted P-47D came after the release of PF

So, the theory that "no new US planes" will be in the sim is false

I know you're not purposefully telling tall tales. But there's really no other way for me to address it- you've been told something a little less than true, or you've misunderstood something you've read on the forums. The spread of misinformation regarding this issue is tremendous

I am not "in the know" about all the hows whys and therefores, but I can tell you what I DO know, and what I can make some very astute educated guesses on concerning the issue, if you want to PM me- the mods are supposed to lock threads that deal with the NGC issue because the issue is still unresolved. Shoot me a PM I have followed the entire issue here, at SimHQ, and at Netwings. People that are in the know have said point blank that there will be no new US aircraft added (the one possible exception being the CW-21, of which nothing has been said about in many, many months.) Several modelers have gone on record to say that they received word from MG to abandon their American projects long ago.

The P-38L late and Mustang III also came after the trademark fiasco, but they were not new aircraft. On the other hand, completed new projects (such as the Yorktown) are still nowhere to be seen.

I think it would be a lot less accurate to say that we will be getting new American equipment when people close to MG as well as modelers working on projects have said that we will never see them. Is it possible that this will change? Of course. But nobody in the know has changed the story over the last 6 months or so.

HarlockGN
02-10-2006, 12:06 PM
I'm making a quite big DCG PTO campaign, trying to stay as close as the historical order of battle (a massive undertaking, that's for sure...)
Actually what i feel the most in PF is not the lack of allied planes (yes, i DO feel the lack of early torpedo bombers, but that doesn't hurt the campaign THAT much after Midway), since there are plenty to cover all roles, but the lack of too many planes from the japanese order of battle, expecially japanese army lacks the Ki-45 Toryu (1701 built, and was truly beautiful) and Ki-44 Shoki (1225 built, saw action during the whole war, since Singapore) and it completely lacks any kind of bombers, both light and heavy (Ki-51 Sonia, 2385 built, Ki-21 Sally, 2064 built, Ki-48 Lily, 1977 built, Ki-49 Helen, 819 built and Ki-67 Peggy, 698 built, just to mention the most important ones).
While the navy lacks an extremely important early war light bomber (the G3M2 Nell, 1048 built, saw massive use during early operations) and any kind of late-war bomber/torpedo bomber(like the D4Y1 Judy, 2038 built and the B6N2 Jill, 1268 built)
Actually the holes in the japanese OOB are so massively big that it's kinda difficult to create a good historical campaign... Sure, i'm kinda managing to, but it doesn't definately look better as it could. Even just AI versions of them would be enough to solve many problema.

Another problem is the total lack of some random squadrons in the ones available in FMB, and quite important ones if i may add, both on the japanese and american side.
the 320th and 321st bomb squadrons of the 90th bomber group USAAF for instance, that were the two B-24 squadrons based at port Moresby, or on the other side the 702nd and 751st kokutai, and the 352nd (strange one, since we have a raiden skin coming for it with the new Raiden, and was the most characteristic "lightning" one).

Finally there's the map problem. Aside from the lack of some important theatres of operation like burma and some others (i have a big hole in my campaign after singapore and before midway i'm having big problems to fill), some of the maps are extremely uncorrect or lacking.
The singapore map made me wonder if the map maker (with all due respect) was drunk or just lacking time to do proper research. The whole map is completely inprecise, lacks any kind of naval installment (like the singapore harbor and the naval base on the north of the island), there's a second, completely fictional bridge connecting the north of the island with the rest of the Malay peninsula. There's absolutely no landmark in the city of singapore and the biggest island south of it (the one on wich the biggest defence fortress was built) is completely missing...
Finally the railroad line that ran from Singapore to the north is completely missing as well.
I'm trying to make it decent with the mission builder, but obviously i lack the proper tools to make a good job. I sure can't rebuild an island or a railroad line from scratch, since they are hardcoded.
This makes me wonder since historical maps that clearly show this kind of mistakes/leftouts are easily available on the net, and even 1 day of easy research would have shown the map maker that his map was completely inaccurate...

Moving to New Guinea things go from worse to worst, since, instead of making two maps roughly representing 1942 and 1943 (not so difficult after all, since you just had to remove some elements from the 1942 one, for Singapore there are two maps simply to add one almost never used fictional KNIL airfield on the completely flat burma area) we have a map with all the airfields built at the end of 1942 by the allies near Buna, that basically represent only a couple of months before the fall of Buna itself (and before the map becomes completely useless, unless ALL japanese forces have an air start "feigning" a take off from rabaul, and have nowhere to land).
Moreover the whole map is terribly flat and Port Moresby, that's a focal point for one of the crucial battles of WW2, lacks any kind of landmarks and of a decent port area.

Compared to this kind of lacks, honestly, the lack of some american planes (that can't be helped it seems) is, IMHO, kinda dwarfed.

jasonbirder
02-10-2006, 12:18 PM
Because there will be no more US aircraft for PF

I believe that the CW-21 will be included in one of the Pay-add ons coming and hopefully there'll be some more Japanese planes to fill out the big-big gaps in their order of battle in the Manchuria add on.

GerritJ9
02-10-2006, 01:56 PM
Billfish, I totally agree about the Singapore map. I started a topic about this some time ago- "Singapore map disappointing". Apart from the RN dockyard being absent, Keppel Harbour, a prime target for Japanese bombers, is also missing. None of the conspicuous buildings is on it. The five 15" guns are missing- they supposedly made Singapore impregnable. One of the first things I did after the Singapore map was released was fly around it, in part to check all the landmarks. As someone who has visited Singapore regularly (admittedly, long after the end of WW2) and reasonably familiar with the island I found the whole thing a big let-down. Wartime photos of Kallang clearly show trees on its boundrary, where the Hurricanes were hidden. I won't comment on the accuracy of the aerodromes.
A sketch map of what was to be the Singapore map, sent to me by Serval before the actual map was released, included considerably more Malayan territory to the north, which the released version does not have. The list goes on.

HarlockGN
02-10-2006, 03:03 PM
yeah, i actually wonder how in the world did the map maker overlook Blakang Mati Island just in front of Keppel Harbor (the one over wich Fort Siloso and other two batteries were built), wile correctly (well, the correctly bitit's debatable, since in reality it wasn't definately barren and empty like it is in the map) modeling Silinsing fortress island in the middle... even the simplest map includes BOTH of them... and the first one is the most important of the two...

here's a link:
http://www.fortsiloso.com/history/1919.htm

Chuck_Older
02-10-2006, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Hi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Please, don't spread stuff like this. There is a big misconception that no more US planes will be in the sim, because of the NGC (Northrop-Grumman-Corporation) issue in PF. This is a rumor

This isn't true at all. Please remember that the boosted P-47D came after the release of PF

So, the theory that "no new US planes" will be in the sim is false

I know you're not purposefully telling tall tales. But there's really no other way for me to address it- you've been told something a little less than true, or you've misunderstood something you've read on the forums. The spread of misinformation regarding this issue is tremendous

I am not "in the know" about all the hows whys and therefores, but I can tell you what I DO know, and what I can make some very astute educated guesses on concerning the issue, if you want to PM me- the mods are supposed to lock threads that deal with the NGC issue because the issue is still unresolved. Shoot me a PM I have followed the entire issue here, at SimHQ, and at Netwings. People that are in the know have said point blank that there will be no new US aircraft added (the one possible exception being the CW-21, of which nothing has been said about in many, many months.) Several modelers have gone on record to say that they received word from MG to abandon their American projects long ago.

The P-38L late and Mustang III also came after the trademark fiasco, but they were not new aircraft. On the other hand, completed new projects (such as the Yorktown) are still nowhere to be seen.

I think it would be a lot less accurate to say that we will be getting new American equipment when people close to MG as well as modelers working on projects have said that we will never see them. Is it possible that this will change? Of course. But nobody in the know has changed the story over the last 6 months or so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand, but the possible inclusion of a CW-21, and the inclusion of the boosted P-47D that we got after the PF fiasco clearly shows me that the old saying "never say never" is accurate here. The CW-21 obviously has a real chance to be in the sim, and the P-47D boosted model already is, so that tells me right there that the 'halt' on US planes wasn't really all that complete, no matter what the modellers say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's either stop, or not...and those two planes show me that "stop" didn't happen

Nimits
02-10-2006, 07:22 PM
The P-47D Boosted and the P-38L Late are more or less simple modifications of planes already in the game (and pretty much just FM modifications at that), rather than "new" aircraft.

On the other hand, the fact of the matter is, since the "announcements: of no more US aircraft 1C is still including or planning to include several US aircraft: the Brewster F2A2, the afore mentioned Lockheed P-38L Late and Republic P-47D Boosted, the Douglass A-20C, Curtiss CW-21, and the Brewster F2A3, so adding new American aircraft is not completely "verboten." If we can have a Curtiss CW-21 and a Douglass A-20C, there is no real reason we could not have a Curtiss SB2C or a Douglass TBD. There are at least a couple dozen British and Japanese fighters, bombers, transports, scout planes, light carriers, battleships, cruisers, destroyers, submarines and auxiliaries that played EXTREMELY IMPORTANT roles in the PTO that simply aren't here. Obvious examples are the Ki-21, Ki-27, Ki-48, B6N, D4Y, E13A, F1M, Zuiho CVL, Mogami and Tone CAs, and Kongo BB, and the list goes on. With the exception of the B6N (still on the last list published of planned aircraft add-ons) and the Ki-21 and Ki-27 (which might come in the Manchuria pay add-on), there is no indication we are getting ANY of these platforms.

Hunter82
02-10-2006, 07:40 PM
variations of AC in the game = no new content requiring added fees IMO

New AC not previously included = new and require licensing fees

HarlockGN
02-10-2006, 07:43 PM
I was forgetting, about missing things, we're definately missing a decent number of both japanese and US ships, japan doesn't even have a SINGLE cruiser in PF, and the USN has just one. No CVL for IJN, no Yamato, and besides one, ALL the japanese DD's are of the very same class (Kagero class) the only different thing between them is the hiragana name on the side... i kinda feel it's almost a joke...
Sometrhing for Royal navy would be good as well... we have the Prince of Whales, but absolutely nothing to escort her... nothing to even build a decent force Z... not even a single tommy DD and cruiser. The biggest and most powerful fleet of the world is represented in FB+PF+AEP by carriers and BS's only...
It's like australia had no ships as well...
Not even a single PTO patrol boat... Ok, they gave us carriers, i'm all happy and drooling about that, but a bit more naval iron wouldn't have hurt at all, considering ships are the only solid things you'll see for miles in some of the maps...
Sure, a lot can be done by "pretending", and i'm completely aware that complete realism can't be reached even in a thousand years, but o think a couple steps more wouldn't have hurt...

jasonbirder
02-11-2006, 04:14 AM
I fully appreciate that there are plenty of PTO planes missing from the Order of Battle...particularly if you think about things like...Lily, Nell etc...
I like everyone else that enjoys the theatre hope for more content in the pay add ons coming...
But given the constant bleating we get on the forums about more US PTO planes Can anyone tell me if there has ever been a flight sim with more Flyable PTO planes in it?
Without breaking down all the versions we've got
Buffalo's, Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs, Aircobra's, Hawks, Lightenings, Jugs, Mustangs, Dauntless`s, Mitchells, Havocs...etc etc...
If anyone can point to a game that has ever served those interests better...I can't think of it!

HarlockGN
02-11-2006, 08:59 AM
Not talking about flyables here, the flyables we have are plenty enough for my needs at least. For the planes i mentioned an AI version to complete the oob in campaigns would be more than enough.

I'm talking from the point of view of campaign building here, where having big holes in the OOB and/or flat/poor/inaccurate maps deals the most damage

jasonbirder
02-11-2006, 09:58 AM
Couldn't agree more...
AI Nell, Lily etc, etc would be massive help...
I guess i just assumed (and we know where that leads...) when I read the thread title that it was yet another why oh why isn't the Avenger flyable this game Sux blah...blah...blah rant disguised as a missing PTO aircraft thread...its usually as if planes like the CW-21, Hawk 75, Ki27, Ki44 etc etc never existed to some of those guys!

HarlockGN
02-11-2006, 10:12 AM
Actually my first post was to let the thread opener know, that the lack of a few allied planes is kinda secondary if you compare it with the whole lot of japanese planes we're lacking, even only as an AI.
If you compare the two order of battle, the onl√¬≤y REALLY serious thing that's missing on the allied field is the devastator, since there's nothing else to cover that role during early war (well, vindicator would be good as well to have, but less important than the dev, but the lack of devastator is not THAT serious, since in FB torpedo bombers seem to be more like kamikaze really wanting to get an early bath in the ocean than any kind of serious attack planes), while the japanese (expecially army) order of battle has such serious holes that's really difficult to recreate a realistic campaign. It seems like the army relied only on the navy for ground attack, and as Saburo Sakai said: "When the Army and the Navy are involved, the right hand won't know what the left does".
I wouldn't mind at all for them to be AI only, they would fill the gaps nicely anyway.

heywooood
02-11-2006, 10:22 AM
there will be more PF and CBI theater specific planes added in time - just not in less than 2 weeks and not necessarily for free.

VW-IceFire
02-11-2006, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GoToAway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Hi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Please, don't spread stuff like this. There is a big misconception that no more US planes will be in the sim, because of the NGC (Northrop-Grumman-Corporation) issue in PF. This is a rumor

This isn't true at all. Please remember that the boosted P-47D came after the release of PF

So, the theory that "no new US planes" will be in the sim is false

I know you're not purposefully telling tall tales. But there's really no other way for me to address it- you've been told something a little less than true, or you've misunderstood something you've read on the forums. The spread of misinformation regarding this issue is tremendous

I am not "in the know" about all the hows whys and therefores, but I can tell you what I DO know, and what I can make some very astute educated guesses on concerning the issue, if you want to PM me- the mods are supposed to lock threads that deal with the NGC issue because the issue is still unresolved. Shoot me a PM I have followed the entire issue here, at SimHQ, and at Netwings. People that are in the know have said point blank that there will be no new US aircraft added (the one possible exception being the CW-21, of which nothing has been said about in many, many months.) Several modelers have gone on record to say that they received word from MG to abandon their American projects long ago.

The P-38L late and Mustang III also came after the trademark fiasco, but they were not new aircraft. On the other hand, completed new projects (such as the Yorktown) are still nowhere to be seen.

I think it would be a lot less accurate to say that we will be getting new American equipment when people close to MG as well as modelers working on projects have said that we will never see them. Is it possible that this will change? Of course. But nobody in the know has changed the story over the last 6 months or so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand, but the possible inclusion of a CW-21, and the inclusion of the boosted P-47D that we got after the PF fiasco clearly shows me that the old saying "never say never" is accurate here. The CW-21 obviously has a real chance to be in the sim, and the P-47D boosted model already is, so that tells me right there that the 'halt' on US planes wasn't really all that complete, no matter what the modellers say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's either stop, or not...and those two planes show me that "stop" didn't happen </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It may also be the fact that the CW-21 is a Curtiss project and I think some small industrial company in the midwest now owns what is left of Curtiss. I suspect if there was the time, research, and the project had already been completed that we could get the SB2C Helldiver. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

I still find it incredibly silly when people say "I'm only interested in Europe" or "I only fly in the Pacific". How much fun are you guys missing out on? I tend to fly on servers that have scenarios from all theaters, times, and with all sorts of planesets. Its just so much fun...

But to each is own I suppose.

Nimits
02-11-2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by jasonbirder:
Couldn't agree more...
AI Nell, Lily etc, etc would be massive help...
I guess i just assumed (and we know where that leads...) when I read the thread title that it was yet another why oh why isn't the Avenger flyable this game Sux blah...blah...blah rant disguised as a missing PTO aircraft thread...its usually as if planes like the CW-21, Hawk 75, Ki27, Ki44 etc etc never existed to some of those guys!

Well, the CW-21 and hawk 75 played very minimal roles in the PTO; not useless, but not that sorely missed if absent. Certainly not in the same category as G3M, A5M, F1M, Ki-27, Ki-21, etc. What alot of people don't realize is that in the first 6 months of the war A6M2s were not the exclusive frontline fighters of the IJNAAF. A5Ms were still on board most IJN light carriers as late as June 1942, and the F1M Pete float biplane continued to operate as one of the primary light bombers and interceptors in the Solomons throughout 1942. Not to mention there were as many or more Ki-21 Sallies and G3M Nells flying in operations around Singapore, New Guinea, and Wake in the through the first half of 1942.

As for the flyable Avenger (and the Kate), its not so much the plane as the mission that is missing. There is no way to do a historical torpedo bomber career, especially a carrier based one, without them. Sure, we have the A-20G and Beaufighter Mk XXI, but there primary missions in New Guinea were airfield attack and ground interdiction, and we lack the maps for anything; the opportunities for torpedo anti-shipping attack are very limited, and there is absolutely no way they can historically go up against any IJN carriers or cruiser. The G4M does allow some chances at attacking Allied heavy fleet units, but the lack of maps is still a big problem.

BERNDT79
02-11-2006, 05:22 PM
Icefire,

I agree with you sir. I love flying for either nationality, usually whatever side needs the most help or is the most outgunned. I love any theater too, in fact the servers that change theaters and planesets randomly are my fav!

I feel this is the only way to get the most out of this sim. Fly everything!!!

LW_lcarp
02-11-2006, 05:35 PM
Pacific should of been a seperate entity on its own now all that is out there is a bunch of servers with Las and spits flying around a tropical island. Oleg thinks the best thing was to combine them well some mistakes are ment to happen.

like uber AI gunners problem in original still a problem.

hearing planes behind you still a problem

Im suprized that the number of bugs IL2 original started out with were brought right back with the release of Forgotten battles. But alas it seems all game developers have done the same thing. bad bug fix it release new title and poof there is the same bug and they will fix it in a patch.

UM game devolopers here is a clue if people complained about it in the first go around they will complain about it in the second go around.

Please help me moron common sence for it is the 50th+ anniversary of its death

GerritJ9
02-13-2006, 06:12 AM
Curtiss-Wright are actually still in business, although they left the aeroplane business long ago. Perhaps that is why their products can be added without too many problems. Brewster went out of business in 1944 and the stockholders voted to disband the company shortly after the war, so nobody can kick a fuss about adding the Brewsters.

Nimits
02-13-2006, 10:38 PM
Maybe, but its not like anything Ubi/1C could release would directly affect the sales of Northrop-Grumman aircraft, or Curtiss-Wright planes (if they were still making them).