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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:24 AM
A new poll was added today: How do you feel about "Battle of Britain"? Please take the time to answer and let us know what you think.


Here are the results of the previous poll: How do you feel about Lock-on?<ul>
<LI>I need to have it... 36.2%
<LI>Show me the goods first 25.4%
<LI>Nope, I'll stick to IL-2, thanks. 23.9%
<LI>Only if they add the P-51 8.6%
<LI>Why not? 5.9%[/list]T

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:24 AM
A new poll was added today: How do you feel about "Battle of Britain"? Please take the time to answer and let us know what you think.


Here are the results of the previous poll: How do you feel about Lock-on?<ul>
<LI>I need to have it... 36.2%
<LI>Show me the goods first 25.4%
<LI>Nope, I'll stick to IL-2, thanks. 23.9%
<LI>Only if they add the P-51 8.6%
<LI>Why not? 5.9%[/list]T

fluke39
10-10-2003, 11:28 AM
i like the reccuring theme with the P-51 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

kinda rings of - yes i'll buy it if the americans win it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


well a bit anyway - i'll go and cast my "gotta have it" vote now then shall i ?

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fluke39
10-10-2003, 11:32 AM
fluke39 wrote:
- i like the reccuring theme with the P-51 <
- kinda rings of - yes i'll buy it if the americans
- win it -
-
- well a bit anyway - i'll go and cast my "gotta have
- it" vote now then shall i ?
-

sorry - just ignore me- i thought those were the options not the results /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

i'm a bit of a thickie normally and this morning i'm feeling abit slow so just ignore the wandering idiot /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Message Edited on 10/10/0310:32AM by fluke39

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:33 AM
lol, fluke39. I`ve cast my vote!

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:55 AM
um, P~51D for BoB, for ALL the Region Zoned BoB CDs.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:02 PM
Only if they add the P-51 8.6%"


You should have add, only if they add the 190, airfights over the Channel without the 190 is a joke!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:05 PM
I love BoB but not without addons: MED first of all as we had decided, all togheter, in another official pool.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:16 PM
"Show me the good first I guess would be my response"
If its just 1940 then its gonna be tough for the LW flyers. The 109Es didn't have much of a fuel capacity over Britain. The FW-190 A-1 did come out a little later though. I believe that II/JG26 began operational sorties with the FW190 A-1 prior the the end of August 1941. It would be nice to see the entire channel war theater up until say 1943 or so. I would actually like to see a sim similiar to IL-2/FB on the western front where you have all time periods of the war. However, I'm sure that the Oleg Team is planning on that after the BOB sim. I can't imagine how awesome those sims will be.



Message Edited on 10/10/0311:17AM by IV_JG51_Swine

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:20 PM
only if they add the p51 mustang

Rotterdam/The Netherlands

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:37 PM
Funny how the Med was actually a more popular choice in the original polls. Wonder how BoB went straight to the top?

Still if it is done correctly then it should be a good sim.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:42 PM
HamishUK wrote:
- Funny how the Med was actually a more popular choice
- in the original polls. Wonder how BoB went straight
- to the top?
-
- Still if it is done correctly then it should be a
- good sim.


Cos it`s better! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I actually think it`s being timed for Tom Cruise`s BOB- It`s possible.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:50 PM
Why does the P-51 always have to be in these polls???

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:04 PM
If its got proper dedicated server software with remote access in it, hey, you can take my money with pleasure.
Nice idea BoB is.
Seems a bit futile to me debating issues about games that are only planned for release in 2005, when the current games (which are great, like IL2 series) still need support and software.
Anyway, like I said its a nice idea, just my opinion.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:16 PM
Hey! - I just made that poll the other day... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:20 PM
Don't mix up the options for the previous poll and the current one.

These options was for the last poll:

<h5>How do you feel about Lock-on?</h5><ul>
<LI>I need to have it... 36.2%
<LI>Show me the goods first 25.4%
<LI>Nope, I'll stick to IL-2, thanks. 23.9%
<LI>Only if they add the P-51 8.6%
<LI>Why not? 5.9%[/list]



These are the options for the NEW poll:

<h5>How do you feel about "Battle of Britain"?</h5> <ul>
<LI>Great news!
<LI>As long as Oleg's on it.
<LI>Another one ?!
<LI>As long as there's a Med expansion.
<LI>Wait and see.
<LI>No thanks.[/list]


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:21 PM
Yeah if I remember well, the med won easily the previous polls when asking the prefered theater for the next sim.

I wonder what the guys on the russian forums (since it's not Ubi) think about this. I wonder what theater they'd prefer overthere.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:46 PM
Just for u Nicolas I took 5 mins off my workingday to find that poll in the archives.

Here ya go. Notice the date though:


<h5>Published Wednesday 11.14.01</h5>


<h5>Which Combat Theater would you like to see Maddox Games produce next?</h5><ul>
<LI>37.8% - North Africa and the Mediterranean!
The majority of fans want to drop a few dive bombs on the Dessert Fox and/or Monty!

<LI>18.2% - Pacific Theater, Carriers a must!
Island hopping, Carrier decks, and the nimble Zero meets the powerful Corsair... second place goes to the Pacific.

<LI>16.9% - The Western Front in Europe.
Ground support, blitzkrieg! Third place goes to Belgium to the Bulge series of battles in Western Europe.

<LI>12.4% - The Battle of Britain!
A few titles have been done in this area, but apparently not well enough for 12% of our fans wishing to relive England's finest hour.

<LI>9.9% - South East Asia and Vietnam.
Dodging SAM's and Dropping Napalm were not strong favorites with the fans.

<LI>4.8% - Forget W.W.II, lets do Korea!
Continuing to live up to its "Forgotten War" nick name, Korea and Mig Alley ends up dead last, but who wants to play the United Nations anyway?[/list]

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:51 PM
Thanks Ven. Well I would have sworn that there were some who voted WWI and I didn't remember about Vietnam. I like the vietnam idea though. Reminds me of Flight of the Intruder. Pretty nice game for an Atari ST sim. Campaigns and briefings were very nice! Armament screens too.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:55 PM
That was another poll on what war we wanted see in a sim, Nic.
And WW2 won by like 45% in that one iirc.

The above poll was about what theatre in WW2.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:57 PM
Btw anyone find something weird in the following sentence:

"12.4% - The Battle of Britain!
A few titles have been done in this area, but apparently not well enough for 12% of our fans wishing to relive England's finest hour."

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:07 PM
A no-brainer...I need to have it.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:10 PM
If the AI is improved, the graphics better and FM even more realistic, I'd buy it.

I find it a shame though, that we can't have other scenarios instead of the almmost too often used BoB..

rgds

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:11 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Btw anyone find something weird in the following
- sentence:
-
- "12.4% - The Battle of Britain!
- A few titles have been done in this area, but
- apparently not well enough for 12% of our fans
- wishing to relive England's finest hour."


"England's finest hour"?
Wasn't the scottish/wales/irish fighting for Britain in BoB?

Don't mind me. Just passing time till I can go home. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Btw what's the difference between Britain and United Kingdom...if any??

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fluke39
10-10-2003, 02:12 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Btw anyone find something weird in the following
- sentence:
-
- "12.4% - The Battle of Britain!
- A few titles have been done in this area, but
- apparently not well enough for 12% of our fans
- wishing to relive England's finest hour."

yes the grammar is odd and is making it sound not quite right /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p.s as for BoB going "straight to the top" - i think it's just been chosen as a shorter time period and smaller "arena" can give more scope to concentrate on getting gameplay and details right for immersion and realism - as opposed to putting efforts into loads of maps and hundreds of planes flight and damage models etc.-

hopefully i think this sim is going to embody the phrase "quality not quantity"
and hopefully we'll get a sim that although it only encompasses a tiny but important part of the war/airwar will be the most realistic and detailed flight sim ever.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:12 PM
jmmoric wrote:
- If the AI is improved, the graphics better and FM
- even more realistic, I'd buy it.
-
- I find it a shame though, that we can't have other
- scenarios instead of the almmost too often used
- BoB..


Rumour says the med will most likely be an add-on to BoB.


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:33 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
-
- Rumour says the med will most likely be an add-on to
- BoB.

Lets hope so..

Looking forward to it anyway..

rgds

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:36 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Vengeanze wrote:
-
- Btw what's the difference between Britain and United
- Kingdom...if any??
-


Ven, AFAIK, the UK is the constituent countries: England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Whereas the British Isles includes the British mainland, the WHOLE of Ireland, the Isle of Man and all of the offshore islands.
Then there's the Channel Islands: Jersey recognises the British monarchy and thus has the Queen as head of state, whereas Guernsey does not have a monarch but refers to the Queen as the Duke of Normandy. Both of these probably consider themselves part of Great Britain, but only Jersey the UK. I don't know what Alderney and Sark do.
I think (not sure) that GB is something from the days of Empire, (when, of course, the whole of Ireland was a part) and meant the same thing as the British Isles.
This might all be absolute tripe, but it's how I've always seen it.
BTW, England is the only part of the UK/GB without it's own parliament! I know the rest of the place consider Westminster to be the English parliament, but how come the Scots, Welsh and Irish get to vote on English affairs if that's the case. Apart from the motive of revenge of course./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:36 PM
Well, I do certainly hope there will be a Med add-on (if I am still alive by then...)! I was really looking forward to having a Western Desert or Greek map, and was already looking forward to flying all the planes that could have been modelled for it: Gladiators, Fiat CR.42, Greek PZL P.24, Savoia Marchetti bombers etc.

Guess BOB will set all this back and I 'll have to wait a few more years...

Oh well, I have always wanted to see how long I'd last in a Fiat G.50 chased by a gaggle of Spits.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:48 PM
Whoops my bad /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:54 PM
I don't understand you guys!

Why not put up a poll that makes some sense. What I mean is, a poll that gives the developers some real information and feedback from users that actually helps 1C:Maddox in the process of development.

All you've got to do is think about the information you want to acquire, and word your questions carefully.

The results of the referenced poll is at best...just dubious /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You've got the busiest forums on the web for a single CFS, and it is a shame to just make words. The users will respond, and provide you solid feedback. It doesn't make sense to ignore the huge verbal user base accessing these forums. They are a wealth of Marketing information at the highest level. They are using the product, and you're getting constant reviews from users.

My gosh how sweet it is. Only thing I can think of is 1C:Maddox just doesn't have a resourceful distributor that knows how to really capture and address markets for their products. Oleg, has just created the best thing he can and it's done well.

You can "DUH" your way around just so long...at some point competition will give you lessons on how stupid it is to keep up the "DUH".

If you just want to create some Yakity Yak, (pun intended) then I guess this type of Polls is OK.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 03:10 PM
nearmiss wrote:
- I don't understand you guys!
-
- Why not put up a poll that makes some sense. What I
- mean is, a poll that gives the developers some real
- information and feedback from users that actually
- helps 1C:Maddox in the process of development.
-
- All you've got to do is think about the information
- you want to acquire, and word your questions
- carefully.
-
- The results of the referenced poll is at best...just
- dubious /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
- You've got the busiest forums on the web for a
- single CFS, and it is a shame to just make words.
- The users will respond, and provide you solid
- feedback. It doesn't make sense to ignore the huge
- verbal user base accessing these forums. They are a
- wealth of Marketing information at the highest
- level. They are using the product, and you're
- getting constant reviews from users.
-
- My gosh how sweet it is. Only thing I can
- think of is 1C:Maddox just doesn't have a
- resourceful distributor that knows how to really
- capture and address markets for their products.
- Oleg, has just created the best thing he can and
- it's done well.
-
- You can "DUH" your way around just so long...at some
- point competition will give you lessons on how
- stupid it is to keep up the "DUH".
-
- If you just want to create some Yakity Yak, (pun
- intended) then I guess this type of Polls is OK.



Poll-whiner???? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 03:14 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Just for u Nicolas I took 5 mins off my workingday
- to find that poll in the archives.
-
- Here ya go. Notice the date though:
-
-
- <h5>Published Wednesday 11.14.01</h5>
-
-
- <h5>Which Combat Theater would you like to see
- Maddox Games produce next?</h5><ul>
- <LI>37.8% - North Africa and the Mediterranean!
- The majority of fans want to drop a few dive bombs
- on the Dessert Fox and/or Monty!
-
- <LI>18.2% - Pacific Theater, Carriers a must!
- Island hopping, Carrier decks, and the nimble Zero
- meets the powerful Corsair... second place goes to
- the Pacific.
-
- <LI>16.9% - The Western Front in Europe.
- Ground support, blitzkrieg! Third place goes to
- Belgium to the Bulge series of battles in Western
- Europe.
-
- <LI>12.4% - The Battle of Britain!
- A few titles have been done in this area, but
- apparently not well enough for 12% of our fans
- wishing to relive England's finest hour.
-
- <LI>9.9% - South East Asia and Vietnam.
- Dodging SAM's and Dropping Napalm were not strong
- favorites with the fans.
-
- <LI>4.8% - Forget W.W.II, lets do Korea!
- Continuing to live up to its "Forgotten War" nick
- name, Korea and Mig Alley ends up dead last, but who
- wants to play the United Nations anyway?[/list]

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Now the above poll makes sense. Now after reading the above poll results, why would Oleg say he's going to do the Battle of Britain? 12.4% of pollsters want it, and 37.8% want the Med/North Africa. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Is anybody listening? That is 3 to 1 in favor of the Med/North Africa. What the heck is wrong with 1C:Maddox's ability to get the message. If the 1C:Maddox didn't like the answers as given, try again, try again. Reword the poll, etc. The users will help the developers get to the crux of the issue, and a solid choice of theatres with the greatest range of appeal to users will be made.

The posters on these boards will tell you what they want, you just have to qualify them or creatively build the polls to acquire good solid information.

If I were just looking at the information above (alone) I'd say the BOB would be totally out of the question for a new paid for CFS.

Marketing wise...a forum like this with willing respondents is an amazing tool, why ignore it. MSFT really shot their foot with CFS3. They just rebuilt a capable CFS (CFS2) instead of just improving what they had. They had great forums feedback as well. Some flaming idiot on a ego trip made a mess for them.

I am glad Oleg does listen, but I think he gets caught up in all the verbal goolash from the forums. Polls would really help in the development process if done well.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 03:20 PM
Debating the use and structure of polls is one thing but I seriously think that UBI Market dept together with peeps from 1:C made their decision on which theatre for next sim based on more than a "feeling" they had at a friday nite after-work beer session.

Ya'll know the song: "Transformers! More than meets the eye"!



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 03:34 PM
Vengeanze

I think I'm just spoiled. The IL2-FB currently meets most users expectations in almost every area.

Polls could be more beneficial, because broader base opinions could be made and quantified. The forums are great too, but they mostly isolate opinions and communicate personal interests.

Reading the poll you posted it just would seem world class stupid to build a BOB when 3 to 1 users want a Med/N.Africa theatre. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

That is based on the results of the poll alone /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Quite frankly, I was amazed to hear Oleg was doing BOB next and it was a 1-1/2 years away. All that time and work for BOB. It doesn't make sense.

Maybe Oleg stayed too long at the pub with the brits at that last Flight Sim show. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Personally, I'd prefer the Pacific, but I could enjoy the Med/N. Africa if that was the consensus opinion. The BOB would be fine, but it only addresses a few months of the whole war. A tiny niche in time of WW2.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 06:34 PM
Totally agree nearmiss, Ubi Soft should make better use of the info they can gather from the forums.

Unfortunately it would seem that their Marketing Department is showing a marked lack of imagination.

BoB is indeed an interesting period but limited in time and scope. Only a few aircraft types took part in it (Spitfire, Hurricane, Defiant, Blenheim, Bf.109, Me.110, Ju.87, Ju.88, He.111, Do.17, plus in November 1940 a few incursions on Harwich by Italian Br.20 escorted by G.50 and Cr.42).

The Med theatre between 1940 and 1945 saw The RAF, The Luftwaffe, the Regia Aeronautica and the ANR, the Greek Air Force, the French Air Force (both Vichy and FAFL), the USAAF and US Navy, and even some VVS fighters which occasionally landed in Southern Italy after escorting shuttle missions, and that's without mentioning other AF's like the Croat one or the Yugoslaw air units that fought in the Balkans and over the Adriatic Sea.

Just imagine the mind-boggling variety of aircraft and missions that would be possible to model and recreate for that place and timeframe: from desert patrols to anti-shipping strikes, bombing and defence of Malta, air combats over Greece and Crete, the Torch landings and the fall of Tunisia and the whole Italian campaign with its tactical and strategic strikes on the retreating Germans.

Practically every kind of Allied and Axis plane was also used in the Mediterranean (except a few RAF types such as the Tempest or the Typhoon, as far as I know), and the area of operation is vast and varied: from desert to sea to woods and mountains.

I do feel it's a missed occasion, and I am absolutely sure the market for such an add-on would be huge.

I will probably buy BoB, but I will wait and read the game reviews first to see whether it does deliver the promised improvements in realism and graphics, and I will nowhere feel as enthusiastic as I would have for a Med scenario.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 06:39 PM
polls are overmodlled :d

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 07:10 PM
100 agree with you Superaero. Except I'll probably buy the game when the Addon will be out. Or in gold version or something.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 07:35 PM
The Med would be awesome as a war theatre, that is sure.

IL2-FB is a proverbial hot poker in the flight sim market arena now. If a sim with vague or doubtful interest is expected to keep that poker hot...1C:Maddox had better think again.

There is also an old business proverb that goes something like this "Get everything out of a product as long as you can while it's hot".

Oleg would be smart to bring out as much as fast as possible for the IL2-FB, while his product is hot. He would be wise to forget projects that "might work out" and devote his energy to the one that is working out. A year and a half from now, a lackluster war theatre and...well who knows.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 07:36 PM
nearmiss, chill. By its very limited theater space and intense air combat density (both unlike Med), BoB is the best to experiment with new code, after which Oleg builds his WW2 flight sim oligarchy--brashly assuming that is the Plan. Is the gaming pubic the same as these old timer Noob ubi forums?

The most important thing:: Will the Next Sim include a Mission Editor (or "mission builder" for the FB set)??? BoB is "neat" and "clean" enough that Oleg may try to sneak BoB in without an editor. I dunno.

I personally prefer Spanish Civil WAR (Medders *claim* to want CR42 but with all those P38s and P51s I know better /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif , I want CR32). The SCW skins are the BEST. But that puts me in a very small minority.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 07:52 PM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:
- nearmiss, chill.

I'm sure Oleg has his reasons, which he may at some point explain on these boards.

When the 64 bit processors get a little maturity and operate efficiently the game developers will be able to use more memory hungry coding to develop applications that now take some darn good programming skill to extract the best performance from the program code.

Memory, and speed of execution are still very big issues for game developers.

I agree the mission builder is a monstrous hole in the IL2-FB. I've practically quit building missions, since the process is so slow, tedious and generally frustrating. Just a few tools in the Mission Builder would make it much easier to work with.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:15 PM
Kinda strange how they just ignored the poll results and targeted the 12%.

Anyway, get out there and vote for the Med expansion, its the closest thing we have to a say in the newest poll.

Btw I'm not complaining, I just really want to see a Med expansion. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:25 AM
I voted that the day the poll came out /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:35 AM
Wow, look at the number of voters on this poll.

When the developers can get that kind of responses on a poll, they've got a tremendous marketing tool and resource. They can definitely draw some valid conclusions about development ideas for the IL2-FB through using polls with that kind of participation. The possibilities are absolutely terrific for statistical interpretation.

1C:Maddox needs to hire a statistician or an actuary to help them formulate polls into meaningful information.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:06 AM
whats the question???

do we want to play the battle of britton,

or do think madox dan do a good job?

The poll as it is, is stupid.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 05:49 AM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Just for u Nicolas I took 5 mins off my workingday
- to find that poll in the archives.
-
- Here ya go. Notice the date though:
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- <h5>Published Wednesday 11.14.01</h5> -
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- <h5>Which Combat Theater would you like to see
- Maddox Games produce next?</h5><ul> - <LI>37.8% - North Africa and the Mediterranean!
- The majority of fans want to drop a few dive bombs
- on the Dessert Fox and/or Monty!

Thank you for your effort to find it and show us. I remembered that one. I have to understand Oleg's wish to do BOB! Oh Yea easy way is make MED/NAF as add-on to BOB much easy than go backward from MED/NAF to BOB. Also he should do someday on Spanish Civil war add-on for first then Battle for Poland add-on then as go on in order of number.

I don't know how much demand in market for Spanish Civil war unless become one of multi-campaiges of early war in one Add-on CD will be great

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 11:03 AM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Btw anyone find something weird in the following
- sentence:
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- "12.4% - The Battle of Britain!
- A few titles have been done in this area, but
- apparently not well enough for 12% of our fans
- wishing to relive England's finest hour."


umm.. yeah.. what do the other 0.4% think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 11:15 AM
Does anybody have a reliable idea about how many users of IL2/FB use these boards?

I think a pretty small percentage although could be wrong.

All been said before it does come down to money and in all probability the bob is so well known in Europe (and elswhere for that matter) it makes good marketing sense.

I write this because somebody above basically said how come a sim is being made that only 12% of the people voted for, cause it's probably 12% of 5%, thats how come!

Don't you just love stats!

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 11:40 AM
Not sure how you vote in here,i personally want the B o B .I think from a marketing point of view it will open MANY doors to new buyers.The B o B will sell,it will also take the cfs market away as well from m/s.
The fact it will be a NEW programme and software means it can be tested in a small theatre of ops and then expanded with the new technology for other theatres of ops.
All good news i think.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:17 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 04:18 PM
HamishUK wrote:
- Funny how the Med was actually a more popular choice
- in the original polls. Wonder how BoB went straight
- to the top?
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- Still if it is done correctly then it should be a
- good sim.
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at least all the aircraft in a BoB set can then be used for the Med too...get the new players hooked on a BoB game, and then bring the Med out as an expansion.

cheers,
Tony
(flying as "wombat" on HL)


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oh yeah, and I'm a Whirlwind whiner too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 10:23 PM
I look at it this way. I don't know how, and if I did I don't have time, to make the flight sim I might like. BoB is fine with me because the heritage (if you will) of Oleg and 1C. is such that it will probably be the next great prop sim.

When I started flight simming I got Janes WW II fighters and nearly wore out the CD. Then I got EAW. I'd had all I wanted of the European Theatre and dove headlong into the Battle of Britain campagin. It's still one of my favorites.
But the graphics are dated (even with all the mods, heck they used CFS terrains to improve the land textures) and IL-2/IL-2FB, despite whatever shortcomings they may have, is the best prop flight sim I've ever flown. In fact, I haven't played anything but IL-2/IL-2FB since..............man it's been a long time.

If Oleg and crew want to do BoB, let 'em. I'll buy it.....(right after I upgrade my computer...YET AGAIN /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 11:20 PM
BoB...Sure...so long as...

1. The Battle of France and the low countries is included along with Moranes, Potez's, Blochs, Fokkers, Hawk 75's etc...

2. BoB includes more flyable Blenheims and weird stuff like Defiants, Rocs, Swordfish etc....

It sounds to me like the team is running low on imagination here if its just going to be the general, boring old BoB stuff that we're all familiar with.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 11:27 PM
-- It sounds to me like the team is running low on
-- imagination here if its just going to be the general,
-- boring old BoB stuff that we're all familiar with.

They are imagining the Italians. You is wrong. Be sure (I hope).

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:51 AM
Yeh, Marketing. M$ did the European Theator twice, CFS1 and 3. I think its safe to say they may be onto somthing.

I once read somwere on these forums that the Eastern Front never made much of an impact on western culture because of the relationship between the Soviet Union, and America was'nt all that gerat until after the wall came down.

Only recently have Anmericans become intereted in Russian History, and teh Russians willing to share it.

So until recently the Battle of Britian was the big air war that westerners thought about in WWII history.

I think 1C games can do a good job on BoB if they stick to planes and maps and avoid politics, unlike MS.

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WinsK
10-12-2003, 05:30 AM
aww, i missed the new poll

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