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kajr
06-04-2006, 07:25 PM
So I get this nice Dell LCD flat panel monitor, and now my wife is complaining all the time. Why?

Because LCD monitors give off, like, NO ambient light to type by in the dark. Now I have to turn the overhead lights on to type (or fly) at night, when she is trying to sleep! I'm glad I have dimmers...

But now I have to move my gaming rig somewhere else... I guess thats a good thing, because TeamSpeak is kinda loud too... But she's glad I wear headphones. Its the talking on TeamSpeak that kills the night...

Oh, and the keyboard tapping bothers her too... Sheesh...

Where in your house do you fly to keep the peace with your family?

Dew-Claw
06-04-2006, 07:36 PM
Easy, I moved into my OWN place.
She never complains anymore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VW-IceFire
06-04-2006, 07:43 PM
Quite single unfortunately. Can't help you much there.

LCD's, particularly big ones, are a bit of a problem yet. I think they will be solved when they ditch LCD infavour of OLED. It'll happen in the next 5 years I imagine.

WTE_Galway
06-04-2006, 07:54 PM
you can always buy one of those gaming keyboards with the illuminated keys

kajr
06-04-2006, 08:00 PM
Hmm, lighted keyboad, that sounds trick. I'll have to take a look for one of those...

The other problem I did not foresee when I bought the LCD is the limitation on resolution. Apparently my monitor only goes to 1280x1024, so I can not get 1600x1200 in IL2. I am thinking about going back to my 19-in CRT just for that reason alone. I'll let one of my kids have the flat panel...

LEBillfish
06-04-2006, 08:07 PM
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/E...2166,CONTENTID=10717 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2166,CONTENTID=10717)

kajr
06-04-2006, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/E...2166,CONTENTID=10717 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2166,CONTENTID=10717)

Very cool, thanks for the link. Too bad IL2 is not supported for the LCD flip up display. Hopefully someday it will be.

I also like the "G" key setup. More hot keys, along with macro capability is sweet. Program in a take-off sequence, or make a macro of that laborious manual gear raising...

SithSpeeder
06-04-2006, 10:58 PM
Now I have to turn the overhead lights on to type (or fly) at night, when she is trying to sleep! I'm glad I have dimmers...

But now I have to move my gaming rig somewhere else... I guess thats a good thing, because TeamSpeak is kinda loud too... But she's glad I wear headphones. Its the talking on TeamSpeak that kills the night...

Oh, and the keyboard tapping bothers her too... Sheesh...

Your gaming PC is in the *bedroom* ? I have an "office" where my PC lives (my own private cave with a door, no less). If you don't have one of those, go find a corner in the house/apartment that is furthest away from the bedroom. ...And/or determine when you do the majority of your flying and put it in the room that will be most condusive to your experience and most likely to keep the peace.

Although my mother-in-law "mentioned" once she heard me playing when she visited, my daughter sleeps through it regularly (the office is next to her bedroom).

YMMV

* _54th_Speeder *

Esel1964
06-04-2006, 10:59 PM
Maybe it's hearing you say things like: "I'm on your six...", "I put a few rounds up his tailpipe...",or maybe-"he's leaking fluids all over me,I can't see s***..." on Teamspeak that caught her attention? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Just joking!

Il2pelaaja
06-05-2006, 12:57 AM
In my house I play upstairs in a small dark room, no sound can be heard from there..http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
06-05-2006, 02:57 AM
Right---find a room where you can yell "I've got you, you bastard!" without causing trouble.

kajr
06-05-2006, 05:39 AM
Sigh...the problem is we live in a small raised ranch, no basement, no room all to my own.

I am now thinking about flying under the stairwell, there is a storage space there that we are currently using for... storage. It could be a really cool place to fly, would feel just like a cockpit, all enclosed. Its already insulated, so would be somewhat soundproof. I'll post some photos when it is done.

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-05-2006, 06:56 AM
The only things to do to isolate the sounds is 1. Dont make any sounds. 2. Move to a spot where the sounds are irrelevant

The lighting issue, though, is much simpler. You could also just get one of those small book lights that gives off enough illumination to see the keyboard without invading the rest of the room.


TB

x6BL_Brando
06-05-2006, 07:51 AM
We're lucky enough to have two large rooms at the top of an old, 3-storey Victorian building, once the dwelling of an Anglican vicar. One is our bedroom and I have converted one into a study/den/office, or Swamp as my dear wife calls it. It gets 'drained' occasionally http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Basically it's 'my space' and I do whatever I want in there. VJ likes the apartment kept clean, which is fine by me. Because she works while I stay at home I'm quite happy to wander about with the Dyson to keep her happy. Once she showed me how to switch it on it all started to make sense!

But I'm much lazier in my swamp. With three rigs running most of the time I'd rather the dust was allowed to settle on ledges out of the way, than be wafted about by some loony with a feather duster! Maybe it'll get easier once I can mange the high-heeled slippers that go so well with my silk housecoat....

Negotiating your own private spaces is a key to a healthy relationship and I recommend it to anyone with enough houseroom. I should add that I responded by setting up a workstation for VJ in a room on the first storey where she can do her MSc work and teaching prep and all the rest. She gets a beautiful view of the English Channel while she works - while I get the same - from the cockpit of a Spitfire! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Not the best of pix but it's my refuge http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/brando6BL/The_Swamp.jpg

kajr
06-05-2006, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando: Not the best of pix but it's my refuge

Some nice space there Brando. I like the keyboard angle, what do you have there, some funky kind of keyboard shelf/arm?

My space I want to use has a slanted ceiling like that (underneath of my stairs), but I only get like 4-ft wide, and enough room to maybe stuff a chair in. I have a little door into the storage area (my future cockpit door). I think I am going to completely build up a cockpit in there, custom with wood mountings for the monitor, FighterStick, throttle, pedals, chair, etc.

SithSpeeder
06-05-2006, 08:45 AM
Kajr--

Unless you live in a relatively cool place, I see getting too hot being a problem. PCs, monitors, sound systems, etc. crank out wattage = heat. As a matter of fact, so do you (live, warm body). Unless you could do it with the door open or pipe in some form of ventilation, I fear it will become a stuffy sweatbox under there.

When I got my first home computer, I had it in the bedroom, too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (Mac 7100 with a 17" monitor)...this was like 1992. That was well before my online gaming addiction so my wife didn't mind much.

* _54th_Speeder *

mynameisroland
06-05-2006, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by kajr:
So I get this nice Dell LCD flat panel monitor, and now my wife is complaining all the time. Why?

Because LCD monitors give off, like, NO ambient light to type by in the dark. Now I have to turn the overhead lights on to type (or fly) at night, when she is trying to sleep! I'm glad I have dimmers...

But now I have to move my gaming rig somewhere else... I guess thats a good thing, because TeamSpeak is kinda loud too... But she's glad I wear headphones. Its the talking on TeamSpeak that kills the night...

Oh, and the keyboard tapping bothers her too... Sheesh...

Where in your house do you fly to keep the peace with your family?

Lol my girlfriend doesnt mind me playing IL2 once she goes to sleep. I use TFT monitor and TS but as long as I dont shout its fine. sometimes It hilarious because I'll be chatting away and asking people whats there position or if they see any contacts ect and my girlfriend will wake up all of a sudden and think Ive just directed the question to her. One thing she hates is the sound of me typing thats a no no with her.

Once my aunt was visiting and the next morning at breakfast she commented that she could hear me until 3 am "bandits on my 6!" it was pretty embarressing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

x6BL_Brando
06-05-2006, 09:15 AM
but I only get like 4-ft wide, and enough room to maybe stuff a chair in. I have a little door into the storage area (my future cockpit door)


That kind of confined space would certainly add to the immersion factor! Salute to you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Two points come straight to my mind regarding this. I used to build houses - so here comes the lecture http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Ventilation - and another closely related thing - Fire.
While passing out from oxygen-starvation at 25,000ft may also be immersive in some way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif it's not really desirable IRL. While it might delay the spread of any accidental fire too (j/k) really the two issues are extremely relevant. You will need to think carefully about cooling the comp too. A good gaming rig pumps a fair amount of heat into a room - and needs a supply of cool air to keep the rig steady. You need the same!

I don't want to pee on your campfire (though you might have to if a an overheated PSU caught fire - and don't forget to switch off at the mains first! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif ) I've just seen the results of this kind of thing. S--t doesn't happen all the time - but if it does the results are, at best, costly.

To avoid this doom & gloom I can offer a few suggestions.
If you're able to see the underneath of the stairs and they are wooden then you need to line that angle with plasterboard. Both wooden panelling and bare brickwork should receive the same treatment. You may lose an extra inch or two of space - but your 'office' will be much cleaner - very important with all the high-tech peripherals you will use. Dust falls through a wooden staircase every time someone uses it.
It will also reach the required safety standards (in the UK anyway) for house safety. Remember that you'll be using several mains aplliances in there - and good electrical practice is important too.

Again, Im sorry to sound like a prophet of doom - but your safety and that of your family is more important than any game.

If you're not into construction then I'd look for a builder friend to clue you in.

Another view of my old pit. I don't have a right arm, hence everything is on the left of the monitor. I built the very rough plinth for the car-seat and a mate of mine helped me to fix a large shelf 3 feet deep to the back wall. I kind of envy you the flatscreen! The lovely old Iiyama takes up a lot of space that I could really use - it just runs beautifully at a high refresh rate and gives a great picture. It also kicks out a lot of heat btw.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/brando6BL/Old_pit.jpg

B.

kajr
06-05-2006, 01:40 PM
Brando, Very nice, very nice. I like the car seat idea, I built a Honda Accord seat onto a base when I started flying IL2. I got rid of it when I stopped flying though...

It must be hard to fly with only one arm. I find it hard enough to fly with two hands, let alone one... And the grip on the FlightStick is for the right hand...isnt it? That must be tough too. The CH Products FlightStick is at least ambidextrous.

What is that black flip up thing behind your keyboard? And it looks like you have a special toggle to the left of your stick..whats that?

Taylortony
06-05-2006, 01:57 PM
Well it does not have that homelie lived in look........ perhaps you can get Bearcat to mail you some underwear over to put on the shelf http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif seriously though, looks good,

Quote I have a little door into the storage area (my future cockpit door) stupid thing is I can probably still get hold of 737 cockpit doors lol after 911 they were all replaced and the real deals scrapped.......

BTW whats with the car battery on the balcony, is that to repel boarders? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BSS_Goat
06-05-2006, 02:04 PM
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j141/goatkisser/67068.jpg

BSS_Goat
06-05-2006, 02:05 PM
My bed is the big pile to the left.

DuxCorvan
06-05-2006, 02:43 PM
lol

My room is such a pig sty. I have a huge pile of plastic bags and brown boxes at my left, a huge pile of clothes on a chair in my right, a bed behind me and a full wall filled with shelves of early music CDs and History books.
And dust everywhere...

Luck that I have that AWESOME sight of the Cádiz Bay on my left.

And, kajr, there's another solution for your 'typing in the dark' problem: learn to typewrite. I had to, to pass the tests that got me my job. I had to type 400 characters a minute: you can't do so if you have to look at the keyboard. Learn to use your ten fingers and position them 'by instinct'. You don't have to do it fast, so you can master it in very short time. Once you can do it, you won't need light anymore, and your wife can sleep. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

kajr
06-05-2006, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan: And, kajr, there's another solution for your 'typing in the dark' problem: learn to typewrite.

LOL, yeah, typing is actually one of my strong points. I can type with the best of them. What I can't do is pick out F2 or Shift-G on the fly in the dark.

Can you imagine IL2 typing lessons?

Lesson One:
Quickly now class... type your chat "My butt is on fire" then drop your payload, then bail out.. twenty times in a row.

Lesson Two: OK class, you just took off in your I-16. What do you do next? "raise my landing gear" OK lets practice... 40 times... GO!

Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G, Shift-G ...

Swivet
06-05-2006, 03:01 PM
Luckily i got the whole upstairs loft to myself, I still use headphones and such because i like things loud, and some of the guys are either half drunk or got a mouthful of food i cant tell what there saying half the time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Then there's the occasional mic/comms/configuration problem...

x6BL_Brando
06-05-2006, 03:22 PM
LOL Goat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

but I bet all those cans must play havoc with your TrackIR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

@TT Don't panic! The underwear is about ten feet off my five o'clock, with a pair of socks currently draped over the spare monitor http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Fortunately not hampering the ventilation grid though, so that's all right. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

@ kajr Thanks for the interest in my adaptation work. I'm proud to say that "flying ain't nothing" and that my favourite toy is a K100RS BMW tied to one of those all-steel military sidecars that we all like strafing so much. Also tricked out for a tripod like the stick.

You're right about the righthandedness of the fighterstick. But I cut off the hatswitch turret from the handle and mounted the switch on an outrigger at the left, using one of those long screws that hold a serial plug in place as a ministick. You can just see a silver knob about a third of the way down the handle? That's a small radio-spares rotary which controls throttle input - I use my thumb. The black thing is an obsolescent "Quick-Shot Master Pilot Control Panel" Actually it's rather sophisticated for its age - 24 buttons x 5 modes = 120 combination keypresses - and works from the PS2 keyboard port.

Anyway, loads of buttons close to hand, a good supportive chair, a steady stick, pedals and TrackIR make me fairly competitive. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I now use a cheap Angle-poise lamp to illuminate the QS panel and the keyboard. It's a low-power fluorescent, not incandescent, and it's set behind the line of the screen and also below my line of sight. Works a treat, though I fancy an illuminated k/b too.

Cheers

B

When I get too old to ride I'm going to use the sidecar as the basis for a sim-pit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/brando6BL/NoProblem.jpg

Daytraders
06-06-2006, 07:04 AM
yeh stick with the crt, until flat panels catch up with crt quality, along way off yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

kajr
06-06-2006, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by Daytraders:
yeh stick with the crt, until flat panels catch up with crt quality, along way off yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I gave my flat panel to my son, and took my 19-inch CRT back. Now I can run IL2 1600x1200 !!! Its the first time I have ever run IL2 in that high resolution before. What an awesome experience.

Monty_Thrud
06-06-2006, 08:26 AM
Yup, when i first got my current PC 3 years ago it had the 9800pro, lovely card, i ran IL2 on 1024x768@100Hz, i recently bought the X800XTpe, i upped everything including res to 1280x960@100Hz, a week ago i tried the 1600x1200@85Hz and lowered the AA and AF and think it looks stunning, such clarity and smooth lines, wonderful, i regret not doing it earlier.

WildApes
06-06-2006, 10:26 AM
To the OP. Have you ever thought of buying an illuminated keyboard?

Also for loudness;

I can type without looking at the keys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif but have recently bought a very small compact keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823121108 (this actually)

and it is very quite and easy to type on. In fact, I think I can type much faster on it than a regular keyboard because there is less resistance from the keys.

You might want to check out an illuminated keyboard with similar keys as the one I bought!