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huggy87
05-08-2005, 10:33 AM
This is a pointless little exercise just for fun and bragging rights. We have a diverse crowd here, and it would be interesting to see where people travel. The rules: Only count countries where you spent at least a day. Airport stops, flying over, driving through, train rides, etc. do not count. In other words, you have to actually visit a place and not just pass through. I'll go first.

1. US (home)
2. Canada
3. Mexico
4. Norway (lived there)
5. Sweden
6. UK (England and Scotland)
7. France (including Corsica)
8. Germany (lived there)
9. Netherlands
10. Spain
11. Portugal
12. Italy
13. Greece
14. Switzerland (lived there)
15. Slovenia
16. Bahrain
17. UAE
18. Israel

ploughman
05-08-2005, 10:42 AM
OK

Lived in:

England
Scotland
Germany
Oman
Indonesia
USA

Visited:

India
France
Nepal
Spain
Greece
Portugal
Northern Ireland
Wales
Austria
Singapore
Hong Kong
Cyprus

I'm not cheating with the home countries, any visit to Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland and you know you're not in Kansas anymore (so to speak).

Ankanor
05-08-2005, 10:47 AM
You will have to elaborate on the duration of satying. Otherwise some SEAL retiree might have visited just about every 3rd world country http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Me...

Bulgaria(Home)
Germany
Canary Islands - Spain
some time in Romania and Serbia. And that seals it. For the time being http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
05-08-2005, 10:48 AM
Not so many places.

Canada - lived
USA - visited
China - living
Korea - visited
Czech - visited
Germany -lived
France - visited
Egypt - lived

I'm currently living in Beijing. Will move back to Germany soon.

Fritz Franzen

dieg777
05-08-2005, 11:11 AM
Love listmania so here goes

1. Scotland- obviously
2. England- yes this is a seperate country http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
3. France and Monaco
4. Italy and San Marino
5. Greece and Zante and Corfu
6. Spain and Baleirics and Canairies
7. Kuwait
8. Lybia
9. Jamaica
10 Mexico
11. Isle of Man

3.JG51_BigBear
05-08-2005, 11:36 AM
USA - born and raised, still live
All the rest were visits, but I was in Honduras for about 8 months.
Canada
Honduras
England
Spain
France
Germany
Poland
Russia
Italy
Mexico

BelaLvgosi
05-08-2005, 11:46 AM
Portugal - Were I live in

Visited (most of them for way more than a week):
Spain
France (plus Monaco)
Italy (plus San Marino and Vatican City http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)
Switzerland
Holland
Belgium
Austria
Luxembourg
Czech Republic

Chuck_Older
05-08-2005, 11:51 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I stuck my hand in Mexico from across the border, and from the number of black helicopters and Customs officails with binoculars that followed me with their eyes, radios, and vehicles, I feel entitled to list it

USA (home)
Canada (16 days, St. Stephens is a nice place)
Mexico*
Bermuda (UK, 7 days)

The really nice thing about the US that nobody outside of the country seems to realise is that the place is so big, I can visit almost any type of climate, from desert to rain forest, without leaving the country at all. It's a very nice thing. I can go from artic to tropical, to islands to flat land as far as the eye can see, to immense lakes to areas of marsh like the Everglades all without leaving. It's a little bit spoiling

*only a portion of my anatomy visited but it seemed very nice

IVJG51_Dart
05-08-2005, 12:01 PM
Not too traveled yet. Some day. Looking at the places others have gone makes me jealous. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Scotland (twice)
England (twice)
Mexico

robban75
05-08-2005, 12:15 PM
Too few I'm afraid.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


Sweden(home)
Great Britain
USA(lived there for a year and a half)
Greece
Denmark

LuckyBoy1
05-08-2005, 12:18 PM
The States (home)

Canuckland

Mexico

Belize

El Salvador

Honduras

Panama

Venezuela

Columbia

Brazil

Argentina

Chile

Paraguay

Peru

South Africa

Botswana

Cote d'Ivoire

Nigeria

Egypt

Chad

Sudan

Tansania

Sierra Leone

Uganda

Zambia

Zimbabwa

Kenya

Ethiopia

Rwanda

Spain

Portugal

Malta

France

Belgium

Netherlands

U.K.

Ireland

Finland

Sweden

Denmark

Germany

Switzerland

Romania

Austria

Hungary

Czech Rebublic

Greenland

Iceland

Serbia

Latvia

Ukraine

Russia

Greece

Turkey

Pakistan

Israel

India

Mongolia

China

Australia

North Korea

South Korea

Qatar

Iran

Iraq

Lebenon

Saudi Arabia

Singapore

Yemen

Somalia

U.S. Virgin Islands

Bahamas

Thailand

Vietnam

Cambodia

Philippines

Marshall Islands

Yugoslavia

Japan

Italy

Jamaica

Hong Kong

Haiti

Dominican Republic

Gibraltar

Cuba


All this looks very impressive until you consider that most of them were just refueling stops, so they really don't count.

Burma (yeah, I know, but I can't seem to stomach calling it by its new name given to it by its drug dealing leadership!)

Dtools4fools
05-08-2005, 12:21 PM
Switzerland (living here)
France
Spain
Italy
Germany
Myanmar (Burma)
Thailand
Malaysia
Singapore
Philippines
Laos
Vietnam
China
Hongkong
Fiji
Kiribati
Tuvalu
Wallis/Futuna

Time spent in Asia during the past 16 years totals about 9 years.
Yes, I do enjoy holidays more than working...

hehehehe...

Marcus
****

FlatSpinMan
05-08-2005, 12:25 PM
Lived:
Western Samoa (born there and stayed till age 2 so take no credit)
NZ - most of my life
Japan- 5 of 7 last years

Visited:
China
Hong Kong (yes! It is different)
USA
South Korea
France

FlatSpinMan
05-08-2005, 12:26 PM
Oooh! plus I visited Fiji and Tonga, on the way back from Samoa!

gorillasika
05-08-2005, 12:27 PM
Have been stuck in Finland lately and I'm bored, so some memorable moments have happened in:

1. Finland (home country)
2. Sweden
3. Norway
4. Denmark
5. Russia
6. Estonia
7. Latvia
8. Poland
9. Germany
10. Netherlands (Lived there)
11. Chech rebublic
12. Hungary
13. Austria
14. Switzerland
15. France
16. Monaco
17. Italy (+Vatican)
18. Andorra
19. Spain (Lived there)
20. Portugal
21. UK (England, Scotland, Wales)
22. Ireland
23. Marocco
24. Kenya (+Tansania)
25. USA
26. Japan

That's it, I think. Still so many places to see, luckily http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F0_Dark_P
05-08-2005, 12:29 PM
i can easy say that i aint a globetrotter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sweden (living here)
Norway
Finland

Ankanor
05-08-2005, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:

Serbia

Yugoslavia



Cheater detected!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif that's basicly one and the same thing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Taylortony
05-08-2005, 12:41 PM
Ok here goes

England (live there )

Scotland

Wales (Lived there and escaped)

Germany (Lived there)

Ireland (Lived there)

Holland

Belgium

France

Switzerland

Monaco

Litchenstien

Spain

Italy

Corsica

Sardinia ( worked there)

Minorca

Miorca

Cyprus

Denmark

Norway

Sweden

Gibralter

Portugal

Iceland

Newfoundland

Canada

America ( The Colonies )

Mexico

Belize Central America

Capri

Vatican City ( is a country in its own right)

Ascention island and that other place

Morroco

Jersey

Guernsey


Thats about all i can remember.... used to be detached all over the place.......

LuckyBoy1
05-08-2005, 12:51 PM
Serbia the same?... man, I'd like to be a fly on the wall when you say that in a beer hall in downtown Beograd!

horseback
05-08-2005, 01:04 PM
England (lived there a total of 5 1/2 years)
Scotland
Wales
The United States (have visited or lived in every state except those in New England)
Texas (you tell them they're not another country)
San Francisco Bay area (see above, except put 'planet' in the place of 'country')
Canada
Mexico
France
Belgium
Luxembourg
Germany
Austria
Switzerland
Italy
Monaco
Spain
Hong Kong
Taiwan
Japan
Thailand
The Phillippines
Okinawa (this may be part of Japan, but like Texas, is distinctly different)
Guam


cheers

horseback

ploughman
05-08-2005, 01:14 PM
Oh, if we're doing refueling stops...

LuckyBoy1
05-08-2005, 01:20 PM
Well, what I mean by that is I actually got off the plane and out of the airport at many of these places, but not much more than that.

Ankanor
05-08-2005, 01:24 PM
Well,now UR Yugoslavia is Serbia and Montenegro. What it used to be was Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia... Did I miss anything?

jugent
05-08-2005, 01:35 PM
You are not automatically a good lover because you have a harem.
Which means that its not the quantity that counts.
You can se all famous places, paintings, religios places but if you dont know anything about it, you dont understand it.
I think you have to live with the "native" people in the country to understand it
If you are a serviceman and lives on a base,that look the same as your homecountry, has the same food, the same malls etc etc you can stay 10 years abroad but havnt got much more experience about the country than you can get from a good documentary.

han freak solo
05-08-2005, 01:45 PM
Two. Mexico and Louisiana. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BSS_CUDA
05-08-2005, 02:02 PM
U.S.
Canada
Mexico
Korea - Pohang
Okinawa - Buckner bay
Japan - Sasebo
Hong Kong
China - Mainland Kowloon side
Phillipines - Subic Bay, Manila
Singapore
Guam , actually a U.S. territory so this might not count
Sri Lanka - Colombo
Kenya - Mambasa
Australia - Perth
New Zealand - Christchurch
Thailand - Phatya Beach
Diego Garcia, a British Indian Ocean territory a TINY Island smack dab in the middle of the Indian Ocean
all in one 7 month period cept the 1st 3. I spent a minimum of 4 days in each place during my Navy West-pac cruise 1982

major_setback
05-08-2005, 02:21 PM
Me: An Englishman living in Sweden.

1. UK. 3 really: England, Scotland, Wales
2. Sweden
3. France
4. Switzerland
5. Italy
6. Yugoslavia
7. Greece
8. Turkey
9. Syria
10. Jordan
11. Israel/ Palestine
12. Iran
13. Pakistan
14. India
15. Nepal
16. Burma
17. Thailand
18. Malaya
18. China
19. Holland
20. Denmark
21. Norway
22. Kenya
23. Morocco

I did a 6 month trip half-way around the world (going slowly and enjoying it immensely) many years ago. Most of the countries on the list I have spent more than 2 weeks in.

I have also spent 3 months on a Kibbutz. If you count border changes that have been implemented scince that time, then I suppose you could say that I have also been in Egypt (Sinai changed hands after I had been there). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
ooooh I love travel! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I do much too little of it these days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

CWH1089
05-08-2005, 02:39 PM
Not too many...

1. US of A (lived there and will return)
2. Canada
3. Japan (lived there)
4. Korea
5. Italy
6. Spain (currently living)

Taylortony
05-08-2005, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
Well, what I mean by that is I actually got off the plane and out of the airport at many of these places, but not much more than that.

At least i stayed a while, drank their beer and sampled their women....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif well almost all of the countries, some of them, the latter were dog rough...................

MrOblongo
05-08-2005, 02:55 PM
Chile (Living here)
Germany (Lived 1 year)

Holland
England
France
Austria

Cippacometa
05-08-2005, 02:55 PM
1a) Italy (born and lived)
1b) San Marino Republic
1c) The Vatican City
2) France (living)
3) Germany
4) Austria
5) Switzerland
6) Spain
7) Greece
8) Croatia
9) Slovenia
10) Denmark
11) Holland
12) Belgium
14) UK
15) Sweden
16) Norway
17) Finland
18) Iceland
20) Marocco
21) Madagascar
22) USA
23) New Zealand
24) Nepal
25) China (Tibet)

jurinko
05-08-2005, 03:46 PM
I bet nobody spent three weeks in Uzbekistan as me in March.

bazzaah2
05-08-2005, 04:00 PM
I spent 2 weeks in Uzbekistan but that was in 1993.

here's the list in no particular order

Russia - lived
Switzerland - lived
Italy
Spain
Denmark
France
Germany
Turkey
Cyprus
Brazil
Uzbekistan
Kazakstan
Kirgizstan
Maldives
Indonesia
Singapore
Malaysia
Thailand
US
Canada
Belgium
Holland
Japan
Poland
Ukraine
Czech Republic
Slovakia

tjaika1910
05-08-2005, 04:00 PM
Been in most europeen countries but I am afraid not so much outside (a little bit in the old USSR too, but not long enough to qualify according to rules.)

I asked my brother-in-law once. And he started

New Zealand.
North Korea
.
.
.
and after about 10 countries he got into trouble. These were the countries he hadnt visited he he. Think its was one or two in south america, some small african countries and closed regimes.

He has more than one passport (didnt know it was possible) because it could give extra troble with the "wrong" stamps in some countries.

FoolTrottel
05-08-2005, 04:00 PM
The Netherlands (Home), Belgium, Luxembourg (fuel stophttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif), France, Germany, Spain, Thailand (Bangkok)

T_O_A_D
05-08-2005, 04:27 PM
NONE!!!!!!!!!!!

I am trapped in the Usa aaaaa
Trapped in the usa aaaaaa
Trapped in the Usa aaaaaa
Trapped in the Usa aaaaaa

psychobabbler
05-08-2005, 05:39 PM
America (home)
Texas (yes,it is another country)
Mexico

blakduk
05-08-2005, 06:54 PM
Like most Aussies i have travelled a bit. I'm always amazed that wherever i go in the world there are always Kiwis and Aussies mystifying the locals.
I recall getting off an autobahn and going into a fuel station in Austria during a heavy snowstorm, my Triumph almost indistinguishable under the snow, i pulled off my helmet and the attendant looked at me in fascination, shaking his head that i would be so stupid as to ride in such conditions. As soon as i spoke English to him he asked me if i was an 'englander'- i shook my head and said where i was from. He just nodded as if to say 'That explains it, all Aussies are mad'.
I'm not by the way, there was a particularly nice Scottish girl waiting for me in Vienna.

Places i've lived:
India
New Zealand
Australia
England

Places i've been:
Malaysia
Singapore
Canada
USA (only Washington state)
France
Belgium
Holland
Germany
Austria
Switzerland
Spain
Italy
Portugal
Scotland
Wales
Nepal

The thing i find is a constant around the world is, everyone complains about 'foreign ownership'!
Who are these foreigners? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

blakduk
05-08-2005, 06:55 PM
Whoops, forgot:
Ireland
Denmark

fabianfred
05-08-2005, 07:11 PM
England....home
Scotland?...maybe... the army training camp for 2 yrs was called Hadrians camp as it was on the site of Hadrians wall...so I might have wandered in there occasionally
N.Ireland... 3 six month tours+ two yr posting
Sharjah.. 9 month posting.. visited Bahrein, muscat
Cyprus... 3 army tours, one UN tour
Canada... one tour..Alberta, 2 visits...vancouver
W.Germany...seven years 1975-82
Berlin...one month 1979
driven through Holland, Belgium, France, but not stopped.... day trips to Amsterdam http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Hong Kong 1987-91... visit Sabah 2 months
Thailand....now living...12yrs+
Laos...visit
Austria ....quick nip in and lunch then out from Bavaria
USA...visited Montana from Canada 1 week

got off the plane and stretched my legs at many places... but never got time to sample the women.... whatever that means http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

GuNzABlaZiN
05-08-2005, 07:24 PM
Canada (currently residing)

USA

England (about 5 years)

Scotland

Wales

Belarus (about 7 years)

Russia

Ukraine

Hope to go to:

Most of Europe

Japan

Hong Kong

Brazil

Argentina

Republic of California

Mexico

I'm only 18 so I'm not as well travelled as the rest of you :P

wayno7777
05-08-2005, 08:50 PM
USA home
Canada many times fishing trips to Newboro.
Hawaii, yeah I know.

LuckyBoy1
05-08-2005, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:

At least i stayed a while, drank their beer and sampled their women....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif well almost all of the countries, some of them, the latter were dog rough...................

I dunnow about that idea... Turkish women... my policy is not to date folks that shave more often than I do! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Shultze_87
05-08-2005, 11:00 PM
malaysia(home sweet home)
singapore
australia
thailand

TAGERT.
05-08-2005, 11:24 PM
As far north and inverness scottland, as far south as greece, as far west as spain, as far east as berlin Germany and just about everything inbetween.. That is the old world, in the new world, not much to see here but the USA! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ok, so I have been to mexico for a few drinks from time to time.

fordfan25
05-08-2005, 11:42 PM
im in north florida now and i go to gorgia some times. but soon as i have the mony im heading back to sebastian florida. from there i plan to never cross the indean river county border. will i be a worldly man ...no but a happy man ....yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FiAW_Vaijy
05-09-2005, 12:37 AM
Finland, (home)
Sweden
Estonia
Norway
Soviet Union
Russia
Latvia
Lithuania
Polanad
Denmark
Yogoslavia
Germany
Czech republic
Ukraine
Holland
Belgia
France
Great Britain
Ireland
Austria
Italy
Vatican
Greece
Spain
Portugal
China
Honkong
Philippines
Malesia
Thailand
Singapore
India
Brasil
Mexico
Cuba

So far missing USA , Africa , and Australia.
I still have couple of dreams to do. Want to sail over Atlantic and drive route 66 thrue North American continent.
The only problem is wife and three small kids :-). I think I have wait some more years.

ViolentVolVo
05-09-2005, 01:21 AM
Denmark (live here)

Sweden
Norway
Finland

Estonia
Germany
Netherlands
France
Spain (canary islands)
USA
US.Virgin islands
Canada
Greece

With army
Bosnia (6 months)
Kosovo (6 months)
Croatia (3 months)
Hungary (1 months)
Afghanistan (6 months)
Belarus (3 months)
Navelbase in Jacksonville "Florida" USA (2 months special training)

Planned

Italy (this summer)
Poland (next fall)

ImpStarDuece
05-09-2005, 01:37 AM
Australia (born there)

Japan (current residence)

America (lived)

Mexico (holiday)

Canada (holiday)

New Zealand (lived)

Fiji (holiday)

Indonesia (working holiday thingy [very cool boss])

Thailand (volunteer work)

Monson74
05-09-2005, 02:47 AM
Denmark (live here)

Holiday in:
Sweden
Norway
Germany
France
Netherlands
Italy
Greece
Hungary
Malawi
Mozambique

Places I'd like to visit before I die:
the US
Italy (again & again & then some more)
Japan
Vietnam
Burma
Kenya
Tanzania
Israel & Palestine (if/when they can keep things cool)
Brazil
Egypt
More France
Belgium
Russia

tigertalon
05-09-2005, 05:20 AM
Slovenia (home)
Croatia
Serbia
Romania
Hungary
Slovakia
Czech Republic
Poland
Germany
Spain
Italy
Greece
Austria



Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
Serbia the same?... man, I'd like to be a fly on the wall when you say that in a beer hall in downtown Beograd!

Nice, domestic spelling of Beograd (not Belgrade), LuckyBoy! How come, you memorised it or what?

Burbage1966
05-09-2005, 05:22 AM
Lived:

Tanzania
Northern Ireland
Republic of Ireland
Wales
England
Scotland
Sweden
Singapore
France

Visited:
Norway
Finland
Holland
Germany
Belgium
Spain
Turkey
India
Malaysia
Thailand
Burma
Cambodia
Japan
Indonesia
Australia
Kenya
South Africa
USA (Does Hawaii count as a extra half point?)
Canada
Brazil

(So I've visited all the continents...)

F19_Olli72
05-09-2005, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by Burbage1966:
(So I've visited all the continents...)

You forgot one. I dont see Antarctica on your list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Which is quite long anyway though.

JG52_Helgstrand
05-09-2005, 05:32 AM
OK I'll play...

England (born and raised)
Scotland
Wales
Isle of White
France
Germany
Italy
Sicily (lived)
Israel
Turkey
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Canada
U.S.A. (Live now)

Salfordian
05-09-2005, 06:00 AM
W. Germany - born/lived 6 months-ish
England - live
Wales
Scotland
USA
Denmark
Austria
France
Monaco
Italy
Corfu

B16Enk
05-09-2005, 06:13 AM
England: born and currently living there
Singapore: Lived (first school http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
Malta: Lived (last junior School first Senior)
N. Ireland: Lived last school b4 joining army http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
Germany: lived 2 yrs

Visited:
Wales
Scotland
France
Switzerland
Italy
Belgium
Holland
Turkey
US (about to visit again long overdue)

WWSensei
05-09-2005, 06:14 AM
Lived in:
Spain (Born there and lived 3 years)
USA (Live there now)
Germany (Lived there 4 years)

Substantial stays in country (>month)
(My Africa phase)
Ivory Coast
Guinea-Bassai
Mali
Madagascar
Morocco
Sierra Leone (only 3 weeks here. Intended for longer but rebellion forced evacuation)
Zaire

Belgium
France

Visited (vist > 5 days < month)
Italy
Norway
Sweden
Finland
Latvia
Thailand
Australia

Places I plan on visiting in the near future:
China and Japan.

CzechTexan
05-09-2005, 07:12 AM
RUSSIA - 2 times

Since some say Texas is a seperate country and I live in Texas, I would have to say I've visited the USA http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

LuckyBoy1
05-09-2005, 07:47 AM
Nice, domestic spelling of Beograd (not Belgrade), LuckyBoy! How come, you memorised it or what?

Because in spite of the fact that I spent little time in each of the countries I listed, I looked upon each time as an opportunity to learn from others that might not ever come again in a lifetime. As a result, be it 4 hours or 4 months or 4 years, I always tried my best to see things from the locals perspective and not try and shove my U.S. Coca-Cola and Blue Jeans down their throats. It constantly amazes me how dim minded people are when they travel.

I recently asked my sister in-law about her trip to France (alright, no French jokes right now if you please!) by asking her...

Did you see the Catherdral?

She replied...

Which cathedral?... they got lots of them!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Anyone who spent a thinking moment at the Notre Dame would never have replied as such. She went on with the usual complaints that the French were rude and cold and only wanted her money....

That's a comment I quite often heard about the French and others as well, yet when I travelled, the French were warm and helpfull to me every step of the way. Even the lady who did the tours every 20 minutes or so of Notre Dame took extra time for me. I'm kinda slow to learn and as you enter the church, there is a wood carved entry way that has lots of interesting bumps and marks and such on it. everyone else went about the tour in the typical fashion... but someone as dense as me spent the entire time examining the wood at the entrance. She came back with the group to see me still cranking my head around the entrance and she smiled. The rest of the group left and she said it was the last tour of the day. I woke up and apologized and started to leave. She again smiled and asked me if I would like to see the building. We spent until about 2:00 A.M. doing so and then I bought her breakfast and the next evening, we repeated the process. She showed me the spots where people died and how and why they died and explained all the starts and stops and fits of making the structure over time.

Yes, I've only spent 3 weeks in France and only 5 days in Paris. Yet how is it that I leave knowing more about the French people than others who spend months or years over there?

tigertalon
05-09-2005, 08:44 AM
Well said, LuckyBoy, well said. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SlickStick
05-09-2005, 08:48 AM
Live in the USA. I have been to Canada and Mexico. Planning a trip to my family's homeland of Holland sometime over the next year or so, with a stop in England to visit my good friend BBloke. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

F19_Ob
05-09-2005, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
NONE!!!!!!!!!!!

I am trapped in the Usa aaaaa
Trapped in the usa aaaaaa
Trapped in the Usa aaaaaa
Trapped in the Usa aaaaaa

Several countries would fit in the Northamerican continent....sometimes it seems to me as a foreigner that every state is its own country.
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Te_Vigo
05-09-2005, 08:54 AM
let's see......


Australia (home and travelled extensively)
New Zealand
New Caledonia
Tahiti
Nepal (twice - Annapurnas and Sagamartha)
China
Tibet (truly a timeless, timeless land)
Thailand
Laos

SithSpeeder
05-09-2005, 09:00 AM
Hmmm...

1. USA
2. Texas ;-)
3. Canada
4. Mexico
5. Great Britain
6. France
7. Belgium
8. Luxembourg
9. W. Germany
10. Holland
11. Hong Kong
12. Taiwan (briefly)
13. Malaysia
14. Singapore (briefly)
15. Jamaica (honeymoon!)

Still need to do southern Europe, South America, Africa, Russia (et al), China, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, more Caribbean, ...the list keeps going.

* _54th_Speeder *

Finkeren
05-09-2005, 09:00 AM
Live in:

Denmark

Visited:

Sweden
Greenland
Germany
Netherlands
Belgium
Austria
England
Eire
France
Spain
Portugal
Italy
Hungary
Turkey
Tunesia
Cuba

This summer I'll go to:

USA (the West Indies)
Venezuela

No76_Dutch
05-09-2005, 09:15 AM
Hmm - here goes.

Australia (lived there for 21 years)
Ireland (lived there for 1 year)
Netherlands (been here for almost 3 months)

Germany
Belgium
Norway
England
Sweden
France
Luxembourg
Singapore
Hong Kong
Denmark

I think thats it.

LuckyBoy1
05-09-2005, 09:18 AM
Several countries would fit in the Northamerican continent....sometimes it seems to me as a foreigner that every state is its own country.
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Actually, you are on to something here. What many people from other countries often miss when they visit the States is that we ARE the united STATES. Each State to one degree or the next has its own culture, heritage, history and values. All the States live under an umbrella of Federal laws, but in the U.S. Constitution it says any rights not claimed by the Feds are reserved to the States. As a result, something like gay marraige can be legal in one State and just the act of kissing someone of the same sex can be illegal in another.

When the Federal Government steps in and tries to force a homoginous view, disaster often follows. I remember back inh the early 1980's in order to sell a food as BBQ, it had to have a tomato based sauce on it. Of course, if you go to Northwest Texas, you will get BBQ that has no sauce at all, much less anything with tomatoes in it!

Yes, people are mostly the same wherever you go. However, it is our slight differences that are to me, the spice of life. So why do people hang out with others that think and act as they do? Why is it that people from the States who understand the differences between people of the other States seem totally uninsterested in learning about other cultures when they go out of Country? I don't get it. Why would you go to Disneyland in France?!

skabbe
05-09-2005, 09:39 AM
USA is the new Europe. all the culture in one country, in a strange blended way.

USA
UK
Spain
Sweden
Finland (half the way)

im gonna fill this list with many more soon...

Worf101
05-09-2005, 09:48 AM
Lived...
U.S.
Korea (Army)
Thailand (Army)

Visited:
Canada
Mexico
Australia (twice)
England
New Zealand (twice)
Japan
St. Martens
The Bahamas
Aruba
The Philippines....

That's it so far but I may have missed a few...

Da Worfster

Slickun
05-09-2005, 10:02 AM
Live in the USA. States I have actually lived in include:
Arkansas
Texas
Michigan
New York
Georgia
New Hampshire
Florida
Ohio.

"Foreign" Countries I have lived in:

Germany 3 years

Panama (graduated from High School there) 3 years.

The Phillipine Islands 1.5 years

Viet Nam several months.

Countries I have visited include:
Taiwan/Formosa
North Viet Nam (if flying over it counts)
Japan
Korea
Okinawa
Guam
Wake Island
France
Belgium
Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Spain
Iceland
Italy
Switzerland
Mexico
San Blas islands
Azores (Portugal).

Several other European countries as well. We didn't get to travel to Iron Curtain countries in the late 50's - early 60's.

gbollin
05-09-2005, 10:57 AM
Germany[army]
England
Scotland
Ireland
Panama[army]
Phillippines[with wife]
Saudi Arabia [Gulf War]
Kuwait[Gulf War]
Iraq [Gulf War]
Switzerland

swingman
05-09-2005, 11:08 AM
Not many...

Sweden, where I live.
Norway
Finland
Denmark (barely more than a fuel stop)
Germany
Netherlands (very brief)
Italy
UK
US
Canada, studied there a while, and travelled.
Mexico
Panama
_
/Bjorn.

bolillo_loco
05-09-2005, 11:55 AM
I only go mexico there isnt another country so close to me where the beer is cheap and the women simply adore me :O

Zeus-cat
05-09-2005, 12:14 PM
Live in the US and visited the following:

Mexico
Canada
Austria
Germany
Wales
Scotland
Republic of Ireland
England
France
Belgium
The Netherlands
Italy
Vatican City (Oops. Hard to forget, but easy to forget it is a seperate country)
New Zealand
Brazil (only on business)
Japan (half business/half pleasure)

Zeus-cat

Billy_BigBoy
05-09-2005, 12:19 PM
Hmmm...let's see, I'm dutch so:
1. The Netherlands
2. Belgium
3. Luxembourg
4. Germany (east and west)
5. Austria
6. Switzerland
7. Lichtenstein (is it a country?)
8. Italy
9. France
10. Spain
11. England
12. Scotland
13. Denmark
14. Sweden
15. Norway
16. Finland
17. United States
18. Hong Kong (I know, it's not a country)
19. New Zealand

In all these countries I stead at least a couple of days with the exception of Lichtenstein, but then again, that isn't really a country http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Ahh, forgot the new Pope's home, Vatican.
Yes, that makes 20!

bolillo_loco
05-09-2005, 01:26 PM
Johnny Cash has you all beat he has been everywhere man!

GerritJ9
05-09-2005, 01:39 PM
Lived in the Netherlands 1954-1955, and from 1966 to present
lived in Trinidad 1955-1966
Visited:
Barbados
Cuba
Venezuela
Jamaica
Honduras
England
Scotland
Wales
Northern Ireland
Irish Republic
France
Spain
(West) Germany
Denmark
Norway
Sweden
Finland
Belgium
Italy
Slovenia
Egypt
Malta
Algeria
Kenya
South Africa
Ethiopia
Australia
New Zealand
Bougainville, Solomons
New Caledonia
Japan
China
Hong Kong
Singapore
Indonesia
Malaysia
Thailand
India
Pakistan
Mexico
Canada
U.S.A.
South Korea
Ecuador
Chile
Philippines
Russia
Ukraine
Poland
Jordan
Oman
Saudia Arabia
Kuwait
Qatar
Iran
U.A.E.
Sudan

Werre_Fsck
05-09-2005, 01:52 PM
I live in Finland.

Visited sweden estonia latvia lithuania germany france UK italy kroatia austria switzerland poland.

Would like to visit japan and Cuba next.

Will not visit USA until they change the legislation concerning secret imprisonment of foreigners.

GoToAway
05-09-2005, 01:56 PM
USA (living there)

That's it (though, I have been up and down the east coast and as far west as Montana. I say Montana should practically be considered its own country since it's so different from everything else.) International travel's expensive, and I can't afford it.

I would like to visit Finland and Swizterland someday, though. They both look like beutiful countries. Plus the Finns love the B-239 as much as I do.

LuckyBoy1
05-09-2005, 02:38 PM
Hey! What's so different about my home State?... I mean except for the indoor plumbing thing!

GoToAway
05-09-2005, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
Hey! What's so different about my home State?... I mean except for the indoor plumbing thing! The huge mountains and the emptiness, for starters. I come from New England, so I'm not used to seeing terrain features that rise above the clouds outside of my window. I'm also not used to seeing just absolute nothingness for miles and miles. There were times that I could go for a half hour on the highway and not see a single car.

I liked it a lot. I wouldn't mind going back sometime. I just can't help but wonder what happens when somebody has a breakdown and doesn't have a cell phone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

LuckyBoy1
05-09-2005, 05:36 PM
Well, if you had a cell phone, who would you call? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

To begin with, there is no AAA for tactors and if it's broke, you fix it or you freeze to death.

If you come across someone who's broke down, you stop for them... I know, it seems like an odd concept back East.

You are right. My parents moved me from Key West Florida, which has 10's of thousands of creatures per square foot to a land where there's 10's of thousands of square feet per creature!

I dunnow, New England has a hill called Mt. Washington that's a good sized rock. Then I remember complaining that Tenessee didn't have real mountains... until I actually tried to climb one!

stelr
05-09-2005, 05:49 PM
Currently Live in USA

Lived in Germany off and on for about 10 years.

Been to (1 day to 1 year):
Canada
Mexico
Belize
Panama
Honduras
Nicaragua
Costa Rica
Virgin Islands
Iceland
Netherlands
England
France
Spain
Portugal
Belgium
Czeck Republic
Italy
Switzerland
Bosnia
Macedonia
Egypt
Saudi Arabia
UAE
Bahrain
Kuwait
Iraq
Afghanistan
Kazakistan
The People's Democratic Republic of California (most depressing) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

v/r
Stel

SeperateCheck
05-09-2005, 05:56 PM
I have seen the Pacific and the Atlantic, but I never stepped foot outside American soil.

Wanna visit the Caribbean sometime.

But that's all a United States province, isn't it? Not a full fledged state or country.

Man those guys are smart...not being a state and instead just getting all the tax breaks. Or maybe that's the Virgin Islands I'm thinking of...those are in the Caribbean, aren't they? Don't feel like looking at maps.

If I had my own island, I'd make it my own country.

Butonga
05-09-2005, 06:26 PM
I'll add my little bit,

USA (live)
Mexico
Canada
Many Bahamian islands (Sar or drugs or migrants)

Aruba (Sar)
Ecaudor (regular deploy)
Panama
Honduras
Costa Rica
El Salvador (regular deploy place)

Puerto Rico (Sar or drugs or DomRep migrants)

Bermuda (SAR, found the people, landed drank beer all night, ate the worst pizza I have ever had and woke up to the storm still going on, nearly stayed another night but the over acheiving pilot decided to take off in 30MPH cross winds)

Cuba, if you accept GITMO as being Cuba http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jamaica

Thailand
Hong Kong (1992...dunno if that qualifies as China)

Some Portugese controlled Island (think they turned it over to china in 1999) off of Hong Kong so I could renew my visa for Hong Kong.

Shinzing China
Singapor
Indonisia


Think that is pretty much it. All those places I included we at least landed, stayed the night and drank beer at. When I first started doing this stuff, we use to base our flights out of resort islands and stay at very nice hotels..always go for the all inclusive, prediam goes a long ways there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Not to mention the free god awlful tasting beer. Now we stay at some military compound http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif and the over nighters at a resort type location only happens if we had to search around the area , land because of fuel (usually over 8 hours flt time by then, so once we touch down, we are grounded and heading to the hotel) or because something broke..yah, uh huh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif it just all of a sudden stopped working and the closest place to land is this resort island http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . Once, while patrolling around south america, we almost got diverted to land on the Galopagos and med evac someone, but they decided our plane was too large to set down there so they flew another crew out from somewhere else and we went back to our boring patrol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif .

Ganguro_Girl
05-09-2005, 07:03 PM
I have been to 3 so far..
Japan (lived)
Canada (Visited)
Usa (Living)

buffscrum
05-09-2005, 07:16 PM
Here's the list
Canada (where I live)
USA
United Kingdom (lived in England, and visited Wales and Scotland). Hold the flames. The UN says you're all one country. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Venezuela
Greece

Bearcat99
05-09-2005, 07:34 PM
U.S.
Canada
Mexico
Virgin Islands
Guam
S. Korea
Phillipines
Japan

Skarphol
05-10-2005, 02:01 AM
Some people has really visited an enormously amount of countries!

Here's my list:
Norway, born and living here
Sweden
Denmark
Finland
Germany (also when it was West Germany)
Netherland
Switzerland
Tchecoslovakia (sp?)
Austria
Spain (Baleares and Canaries)
Portugal
Italy (including Vatican and San Marino)
Greece
Yugoslavia
Hungary
Egypt
Tunisia
USA (east-coast states)

Had smaller stops in:
Iceland
Belgia
France
Liechtenstein

Think that's about it.

Skarphol

GerritJ9
05-10-2005, 09:25 AM
Oops......... forgot I also visited:
Bahrain
Mauritius
Seychelles
Bangla Desh

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mortoma
05-10-2005, 10:17 AM
Visitation claims due to military duty do not count. Any idiot ( when still young enough )
can join the Navy and get all sorts of countries added to their list. But it's entirely different to be a civilian, especially from the USA or isolated countries like Australia and be able to afford extravagant
foreign vacations.

Really, living in or near Europe should not count either because look at how easily Britons and Europeans can amass a huge list of countries visited and also do so cheaply and frugally. Not so in the USA, where only the wealthy can afford such excursions.

I have only visited Venezuela and Canada, besides the US, where I live. That's because I've never been rich. Venezeula was only on my list at all because my ex-wife was from there.
By the way, Venezuela has tons of beautiful women, worth a visit if they ever get that communist dictator out of there. Until then avoid it at all costs!! Unless one wishes to end up in a prison camp. Or killed by freedom hating, socialist, anti-american scum.


I'd also think Aussies and Kiwis would have a disadvantage as far as travel, since they are so isolated, I'd think their travel costs would be exorbitant.

LuckyBoy1
05-10-2005, 10:26 AM
mortDude, speaking of idiots, saying that about military service is about as idiotic as it gets. As a tourist, you can stay at the Hilton, eat McDonald's food and watch television from the U.S. all day as you read a paper backed novel from the airport book store while the shades are pulled. Sound far fetched? Well, that's exactly what my Sister in-law did when she visited Paris.

A military person on the other hand gets exposure to the locals on a daily basis that most tourists miss. My experiences in places like Chad and the Phillipines were experiences I would have never had as a tourist and the life and death struggles helped me to form a better understanding of the locals than a tourist could ever have.

Try and lay off that glass pipe while you're at it!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Luckyboy1/creep-freiend.jpg

Butonga
05-10-2005, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Visitation claims due to military duty do not count. Any idiot ( when still young enough )
can join the Navy and get all sorts of countries added to their list. But it's entirely different to be a civilian, especially from the USA or isolated countries like Australia and be able to afford extravagant
foreign vacations.



I am sorry, I didn't realize the title was " How many contries have you visited, that didn't happen while you were in the military?"

Oh wait, it's not. The title is "How many countries have you visited?"

Sure, traveling as a civilian requires not only that you afford the transportaion, but also the living expenses in the countries you visit as well as be able to leave your work behind and everything else.

That is more personally difficult then compared to me, flying ready crew and next thing I know I am landing in Aruba instead of driving home after I get relieved from ready crew. Certainly it beats being in Iraq, so no complaints here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif '**** IT! I wanted lemon in my Cervaza, not lime!' God these deployments suck sometimes.

You seem to be down on rich people and how easily they can travel, So why do you insist on only counting countries that you had to pay out of your own pockets to visit? This totally shoves out the underdogs like places they have experience doesn't matter, cause they were not rich enough to do it on their own.

I am a poor military guy and I actually get to see alot of places and do alot of things that I would have never otherwise seen or done. It's alot of fun and just because I wouldn't have been able to afford to do it out of my own pockets doesn't take away from the fun for me. The crews I fly with are people I like very much and get along with great and we have a blast all the time. If I were doing it as a civilian, I couldn't imagine better people to see these places with.

mortoma
05-10-2005, 11:01 AM
Viking-S, Nothing unimformed about it, I just hate communism and know first hand how the people down there are suffering..far worse now than ever. If you like totalitarianism and hate freedom, it's not my problem. And I'm entitled to my opinion, and have a right to a viewpoint, as do you. So I hardly care what you think.

mortoma
05-10-2005, 11:05 AM
I do apologise about my military remark, I only meant to suggest it's easy to accumulate a lot of visited countries ( and for free or actually paid! ) when you're in various military services. I did not mean that anyone who joins the military is bad.
Much harder for civies to travel to such exotic places. For civies we are not paid to visit but have to pay instead. So yes, that was not a nice remark and easy to take the wrong way.

mortoma
05-10-2005, 11:44 AM
Agian, a sincere and heartfelt apology is due to you military guys, I should have used other words to express how and why it's so easy to get to visit many countries while serving. Thank you for your sevrice in the military and your sacrifice, something which I never was interested in doing when I was young.

However, I refuse to retract in any way my comments about the oppressed in Venezuela and the suffering they fight at the hands of a brutal regime, and one that is friendly to Castro's Cuba. Uninformed comments?? I've been to that country 14 times, most of the time for weeks at a stretch so how can I be uniformed about it?? And four times since the communist takeover ( so called election ). I also speak fluent spanish too. Most of the people I know in Venezuela hate the current regime and dictator and want freedom. Those that I know who like the situation are misinformed themselves and are waiting for a socialist "handout" to rescue them from poverty instead of getting off their butts and working like we do in free countries.

Please don't tell me I know nothing about what's going on in Venezuela, Pulleasse!!! Both of my current roomies are from Venezuela too and they want true democracy restored rather than staged, fraudulent and corrupt elections.

skabbe
05-10-2005, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
USA (living there)

That's it (though, I have been up and down the east coast and as far west as Montana. I say Montana should practically be considered its own country since it's so different from everything else.) International travel's expensive, and I can't afford it.

I would like to visit Finland and Swizterland someday, though. They both look like beutiful countries. Plus the Finns love the B-239 as much as I do.

while your in Finland i reckomend you to take the "partyboat" to Sweden for a day or two. got some p51(j26), gladiators (j8), junkers ju86 (B3). bahhh here's a list http://www.flygvapenmuseum.se/utstallning/index.htm

SUPERAEREO
05-10-2005, 11:52 AM
Italy - Born and lived there

UK - Live here

France - Visited

Germany - Visited

Austria - Visited

Switzerland - Visited

Spain - Visited

Sweden - Visited

Turkey - Visited

Czech Republic - Visiting next month


S!

mortoma
05-10-2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Viking-S:
Not even the CIA thinks that Venezuela is communistic so inform yourself before posting private political hate speeches!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ve.html#Govt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_republic



I don€t hate freedom I enjoy it, and to be a little sarcastic, how fare has your love for €œfreedom€ taken you so far?

Viking Oh, they think it is communist, but for political reasons they are not going to admit it. It's called "diplomacy", but you might not understand that. The official stance on Venezuela from the US gov't is suppressed because we need their oil. Yes, the Bush Admin. is kissing their heinies!! So who's uniformed now?? I know more about what's really going on than you ever will!!! You have no idea!! If you hang out with and take the advice daily from a communist ( Castro ), then guess what?? That makes you a communist. The US will not admit it and of course Chavez does not either. But a lion could claim to be a vegetarian to a herd of juicy Bison. The truth is not always out in the open, now is it?? Anybody who does not see that Chavez is a pinko is kidding themselves.

Formally as far as implementation, no the systems in place in Venezuela are not truly "communist", not yet at least. But it's planned to be done slowly and steadily by Chavez and Castro, and it's no real secret. But he is a champion of all communist countires such as Cuba, China and North Korea. It's just going to take some time for him to turn the system of the country to that system. It does not happen overnight. And even Castro knows that. But Chavez is a card carrying commie and don't you forget it. I'm done with my politics, has no place in here anyway..


PS- Viking-S, your "hero", Chavez is slowly murdering those who are powerful and opposed to him, ask my ex-wife who is there in that country right now. They are slowly "disappearing", never to be seen again. That's so "democratic" of Chavez your hero, isn't it?? But you are such an expert on that country I guess you should know that already!!!

Fliegeroffizier
05-10-2005, 12:14 PM
US (home)
Canada
Mexico
UK
Denmark
Netherlands
Belgium
France
Germany (lived for seven years)
Luxembourg
Lichtenstein
Monaco
Vatican
Austria
Switzerland
Spain
Italy
Greece
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Japan (Lived for five years)
Korea
Taiwan
Philippines
Vietnam (extended visits, sort of lived, on and off over six years)
Thailand (extended visits, sort of lived, on and off over two years)
Laos
Cambodia
Planning to visit during the coming year:
Poland
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Hungary
China

Deedsundone
05-10-2005, 12:57 PM
One,our negighbour,Norway.Spectacular scenery.

LuckyBoy1
05-10-2005, 01:39 PM
I found Finland to be a surprisingly interesting place. They really crack down hard on any kind of drunk driving. Does this stop the party?... certainly not! They have shuttle busses that pick you up and take you to the clubs and they are a party in of themselves. If you are young or even young at heart, I'd strongly suggest you make Finland part of the tour.

Bula
05-10-2005, 04:44 PM
Fun thread--there are some well-traveled folks here.

1. United States (live here now)
2. Romania (used to live there)
3. Canada
4. England
5. Scotland
6. Wales
7. Ireland
8. The Netherlands
9. Belgium
10. France
11. Germany
12. Switzerland
13. Austria
14. Italy
15. San Marino (hey, someone else counted it)
16. Vatican City (see above)
17. Slovenia
18. Croatia
19. Serbia and Montenegro
20. Macedonia (love Lake Ohrid!)
21. Albania (that was interesting)
22. The Czech Republic
23. Slovakia
24. Hungary
25. Bulgaria
26. Turkey
27. Finland
28. Russia
29. Ukraine
30. Moldova
31. Spain
32. Japan
33. China (PRC)
34. Hong Kong

I passed through Luxembourg by train and have spent some time in Copenhagen's airport, but these don't really count.

Albania takes the prize for 'country with the most beautiful location'--and that location would be the beach below the village of Dhermi. The mountains plunge right into the Ionian there; there's also a fine, white-pebble beach with a little hotel where you can stay and enjoy the crystal-clear blue water and local seafood. Just fantastic. Of course this was in 1995, so things may have changed a bit, at least in terms of the hotel...

HellToupee
05-10-2005, 05:14 PM
me thinks mort dosnt even know what communism is

Countries i been to

New Zealand (live)
Australia serval times

blakduk
05-10-2005, 10:33 PM
Mortoma- you wrote "I'd also think Aussies and Kiwis would have a disadvantage as far as travel, since they are so isolated, I'd think their travel costs would be exorbitant."
I can understand you thinking that, but most young Aussies and Kiwis see it as a right-of-passage to travel to different countries. I think it has to do with us being at the a*rse end of the world and always wondering what everyone else is up to. As with most things in life, if you want something enough you'll find a way. Most Americans i met while briefly in Washington state seemed to have no desire to travel beyond the north american continent.
I recall being asked by a guy in Utrecht (Netherlands) how long the ferry took from Sydney (Australia) to Auckland (New Zealand). He was shocked when i explained to him that it takes 3hours in a 747! I guess he reasoned that because Aussies and Kiwis hang out together overseas that they would be geographically close.
A lot of Europeans i know were also amused to discover how few Aussies there are- our country may be the same size as continental USA but our population has only just reached 20 million (just a bit more than Greater London).
During WW2 our population was under 5 million, which is why you we were so greatful for the help the USA provided during the pacific war (I'm trying hard to bring the topic back to some relevance for the board)

mortoma
05-11-2005, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by HellToupee:
me thinks mort dosnt even know what communism is

Countries i been to

New Zealand (live)
Australia serval times I know exactly what it is and Chavez is one of them. The country he presides over is not there yet but he wants it to get there and he plans to stay in power for 25 years. Sounds like a dictator to me!!! Any country like Venezuela would take time to convert and change to a different type of system. Most of the people in Venezuela would agree with me by the way, that he wants to change it eventually. The battle cry of the anti-Chavez people is "Bolivar no fue una comunista!!" Meaning that Simon Bolivar was not a communist. So ME THINKS that you don't know what you're talking about!!!! So STFU!!!!!!
How many times have you been there to Venezuela?? ??Habla espanol?? !!!probablemente no!!

ViolentVolVo
05-11-2005, 02:07 PM
Actual Mortima got a point, just the wrong place for them(this forum), so i doent jump into the debate....