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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 09:56 PM
I intend to set up a server for people with no or little online DF experience like myself. The purpose is that Noobs can get some fighting without being shot down 3 seconds after take-off by something they did not see. I would limit the encounters to 1-on-1 or so, so that both the winner and the victim can see what happens and discuss it afterwards. I mean one learns best from his own mistakes but only if one sees those mistakes. Experienced online fighters shoot you down, then say "he just asked to be shot down" and then go hunt another one.

I think I will set it up this sunday evening (Central European time) on HL, for Il-2 (not FB!!!!). Everybody interested please PM me, I hope we can gather like 4-8 people for that.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 09:56 PM
I intend to set up a server for people with no or little online DF experience like myself. The purpose is that Noobs can get some fighting without being shot down 3 seconds after take-off by something they did not see. I would limit the encounters to 1-on-1 or so, so that both the winner and the victim can see what happens and discuss it afterwards. I mean one learns best from his own mistakes but only if one sees those mistakes. Experienced online fighters shoot you down, then say "he just asked to be shot down" and then go hunt another one.

I think I will set it up this sunday evening (Central European time) on HL, for Il-2 (not FB!!!!). Everybody interested please PM me, I hope we can gather like 4-8 people for that.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 10:49 PM
Great idea mate! I think many will appriciate it. Keep your boot button near by, might get some oldtimers tryting to sneak in...i`v seen this happen, not once.

Good luck!

V!

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 10:52 PM
Guess the full hard ppl won't be there. No full really hard settings. They will turn their nose up at it.

edit: I make a decent moving target :-)

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 10:56 PM
HansKnappstick wrote:
- Experienced online fighters shoot you down, then say "he just asked to be shot
- down" and then go hunt another one.


Nice of you but I must say some of the experienced online pilots could offer the best teachings and not all of them are "he just asked to be shot down" personalities.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 11:10 PM
That's a good idea.

However I think ppl really learn the fastest when flying against superior pilots. that's how I did it when I was a n00b. Hell, I still seek out aces to teach me my lessons /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:12 AM
OMG, georgeo mentioned Aces almost an hour ago and RBJ hasn't shown up yet?!?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I'm sure he'd be glad to impart some of his expert advice. Although, I'm not sure if he's as much of an Ace in FB as he was in IL2. He's been awwwwwfully quiet about much more than a few slider pitches and some "tech advice" since FB was released./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I have to agree with the rest that flying better pilots is the way to get better faster. As Gemini said, they're as helpful as the noobs, but more so because of their experience. And you won't have to worry about the old addage,

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:23 AM
EXCELLENT idea. Hope it goes well.

I too think it would be good to get a tutor or two in there to guide, advise and demonstrate.

I don't suppose you can restrict loadouts to empty, can you? Sorry, I know nothing about determining server options.

That would keep out the hooligans. Shooting would be superfluous in early training like this. without it, you can relax and learn about energy and positioning.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:36 AM
BpGemini,

thank you for pointing this out - that huge amount of sarcasm was not necessary from my side. Finally, _all_ I have learned so far does come from the experienced players in one way or another: through their posts here, their articles on various sites, and the kicking they give me online.

The purpose of the NOOB server is for the newbies to learn, therefore I would welcome a veteran giving us advices... Although I do not know how this could look like - him flying around, looking at our dogfights but not taking part in them, maybe?

Certainly, if I see someone flying around and shooting people down in no time, I will get an impression that this person is not a rookie anymore... With the possible boot as a consequence.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 10:22 AM
It's a good idea.

I know how disheartening it can be when you first start out and are no more than target practice.

Perhaps what you are doing is more akin to a squad, of inexperienced fliers (n00b sounds derogatory sometimes) who meet up for training.

And a squad might be a more structured way of doing it, you can password the server, with 'invited oldies' as guest tutors.

That way you could progress the realism settings to the point where your 'graduates' are comfortable on other servers.

Good luck with your proposal /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 10:33 AM
As for squad: I don't know how many people can do this on a regular basis. Myself, I would not commit my time regularly for il-2 _until_ I see I can get something out of it (improving skills). This is why I haven't been thinking about joining a squadron...

As for reality settings: I would put them on from the very beginning. I mean there is no use in learning to dogfight with stalls off, then suddenly changing to stalls on - the time you spent in that first step is completely wasted...

I suggest leaving no-external-views and no-symbols off, everything else on.

And yes, I invite a gray-haired-head to help us, if anyone wants to commit one evening.


Please everyone interested send me a PM so that I know what size of server to put up.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 10:41 AM
Hi,

It sounds like an excellent idea, but I do have a word of warning. From time to time "fake" n00b-servers have popped up on HL with names like "Turkey Shot" etc. Basically the host invites newbies, BnZ'em, vulches them etc in his Me-262 until they leave and the next victims arrive.

Your server runs the risk of attracting similar jerks, so you should consider an auto-kick function that boots people with scores that run too high, too fast.

Hell, it could even be an attraction. Newbies could brag about that they've gotten so good, that the n00b-server kicked them. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 10:51 AM
Eh... how do I set up such an auto-kick function?

And don't be affraid of me shooting turkeys on my server... You can understand from my posts in this lobby that turkeys are about only thing I can hit so far...

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 11:16 AM
HansKnappstick wrote:
- Eh... how do I set up such an auto-kick function?
-
- And don't be affraid of me shooting turkeys on my
- server... You can understand from my posts in this
- lobby that turkeys are about only thing I can hit so
- far...
-

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that you wanted to set up a turkey shoot.

I haven't really messed about with the host feature, so I got no idea how such an autokick could be set up, by I'm sure someone here does.

If not, there's still the manual way. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Tully__
10-24-2003, 12:49 PM
You want three people on your server, the student, a target and an instructor.

The target's job is to fly according to the instructor's requirements, demonstrating closing, attack and evasion manouvers while the student tries to line up.
The instructors job is to critique the students attemps, offer advice, and demonstrate the correct techniques.

The student of course is there to learn /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:59 PM
True.

Tully, if you are the instructor, I can be the target (exchangeable with the student, of course ;o) )

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:41 PM
Hi,

I'll be interested in taking part, how do I PM you? And what time is that UK time?

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:46 PM
Hi 'Hans',

Count me in, again. I doubt I can make it this w/e but Tuesday would be good.

Regards,
Norris

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:48 PM
hello HansKnappstick,

I welcome your idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You could select the "empty" loadouts to allow the airal fighting to take place without shots being fired until the perliminaries have been learned, then no one gets killed and people could be encouraged to record thier own tracks, this way experienced players may be able to participate by being difficult targets or chasing .. but without the shooting.

Later perhaps for gun practice, they could fly on invinsible mode until something is learned of deflection shooting.

It is sad that some Ego Hunter may sneak in for thier moment of fame before getting kicked, I think this will be an unavoidable but infrequent occurence http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

I wish you luck in your venture and hope to assist in some small way at some point in the future.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:50 PM
PM: On the top right hand side of the forum there is an "envelope" sign which you can use for accessing yor PM (personal messages). If you click on it, a separate window appears. There you click "send a message", and as the recipient (Field "to:") you type my nickname, HansKnappstick (case sensitive I think).

Time: Central Eur. Time is one hour ahead from the Greenwich Mean Time. I plan to start the server on Sunday at 8pm, it will be 7pm in the UK. Remember about the switching to winter time this saturday.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:56 PM
Guys, just remember from his first post...you do know he's talking about playing only IL2 and not FB, right?

Also, from my experience the true Aces don't seek out noob servers to fly on, if you're worried about vets whuppin' on a noob server, they pick the Ace's servers because they want the greatest challenge possible whenever they take to the air online.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 07:48 PM
only people with egos to feed shoot us beginners down, if it was FB I would be there.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:09 PM
Why is it for IL-2 instead of FB? I mean I know there are a lot of complaints about the FM and most of those are "they don't fly like they did in the original IL-2" complaints. (Including myself with the P-39) But who is to say that FB isn't closer to accurate than IL-2 on the majority of the FMs. The P-39 was under-modeled in IL-2 and now it's over-modeled? I don't know for sure so I'm just going to enjoy what has been put in front of us. FB, as far as WWII flight sims go, still rocks.


I don't think you can auto kick people for point totals.
You can pick and choose who you want to kick.

One of the best things for new online pilots to learn is how to stay on the 6 of an enemy pilot. The AI is worthless in this department because it lacks the human element. This is where an experienced online pilot comes in handy. He can allow for rookies to get on his 6 and then do his best to shake them. Each time the Vet shakes the rook there is a lesson learned. Restart the process as many times as it takes for the rook to shoot down the vet.


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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:16 PM
BpGemini wrote:
- Why is it for IL-2 instead of FB?
Just because this is what I have and will have in the nearest future.

-
- I don't think you can auto kick people for point
- totals.
- You can pick and choose who you want to kick.

Hopefully I will not have to kick anyone. Although this idea of beginners "graduating" by beeing kicked out sounds cool...
-
- One of the best things for new online pilots to
- learn is how to stay on the 6 of an enemy pilot. The
- AI is worthless in this department because it lacks
- the human element. This is where an experienced
- online pilot comes in handy. He can allow for
- rookies to get on his 6 and then do his best to
- shake them. Each time the Vet shakes the rook there
- is a lesson learned. Restart the process as many
- times as it takes for the rook to shoot down the
- vet.
-
Very true.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:19 PM
HansKnappstick wrote:
-
- BpGemini wrote:
-- Why is it for IL-2 instead of FB?
- Just because this is what I have and will have in
- the nearest future.



Ah, makes sense I thought you owned both.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:24 PM
Another point: would you suggest me setting up a voice comm system? The typing while flying is very tiring. I have a T-DSL connection so there should be no prob with the bandwith for that...?

On the other hand, I have not tried my Roger Wilco yet, and this would be another risky point in that operation, so maybe at the second session?

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:27 PM
The BlitzPigs use Team Speak and Ventrilo.
Ventrilo is as clear as a phone call.
That would be my pick for a voice comm system.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:40 PM
Chester_field, a great guy who (used to... not sure if he still does- I bought FB) hosts IL2 servers at HL had "rules" for 1v1 and 2v2 dogfighting which were great for improving dogfighting skills without having to worry about a third person jumping in and sitting on the pursuer's tail. Realistic, no, but it was great if you wanted to actually improve your survival skills for play on other servers.

essentially Chester's rules were
1- until you were ready to fight you put on the wingtip smoke.
2- once at alt you found an opponent and flew towards them and once they'd seen you and engaged, the parties would fly-by each other without firing and turn their smoke off as a signal that the duel was engaged.
3- others were not to engage in a 1v1 already initiated but, rather, wait until another opponent was available for their own 1v1.

This was really useful (for me anyway) to improve my skills beyond the basics (not that I'm all that great now /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif because you get an opportunity to actually find out what evasive maneouvers work (as opposed to getting shot up in 5 seconds)...

PS- I like the "graduation" process of getting kicked out of the server idea /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



Message Edited on 10/24/0307:49PM by Cold_Gambler

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 02:06 PM
I will be putting the server online in... 5 hours exactly. I invite all the interested, also those who were too shy to post here ;o)