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faustnik
09-04-2006, 03:19 PM
So, I guess the Mossie that we have is the Mk. VI. I read the boost at +18 maximum, so I guess this is the Merlin 66?

What are the appropriate combat use dates for this version, the earliest and the latest?

What types of missions were this version used for?

What specific areas was this version used in?

This a/c certainly challenges the P-38J in ground attack work ability.

Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

(Sidenote: Why is it that ground attack gets so addictive? Our entire squad finds itself more and more interested in this type of work, I'm sure to the detriment of our fighter work.)

JG53Frankyboy
09-04-2006, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
So, I guess the Mossie that we have is the Mk. VI. I read the boost at +18 maximum, so I guess this is the Merlin 66?

.........

no, the FB.VI had no two stage supercharger engines as the Merlin 60series is one.

it has the 20series.
sure one stage supercharger - if it had a two speed (like the Merlin XX of the Hurricane Mk.II) or single speed charger , i dont know.

for Mosquito development , look here
http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bfillery/mossie02.htm (http://www.home.gil.com.au/%7Ebfillery/mossie02.htm)

as the performance of the ingame FB.VI is showing its an early 1943 (YES, the FB is 1943 !) version with 21/22or23 engines - the most people here want a FB.VI with Merlin25 performance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

but anyway, our FB.VI could be used as a 1942 F.II intruder - these planes had no Radar, but also no bombs AFAIK http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

about its use:
sure, it flew alwasy from the UK over the occupied continent.

here are the MTO dates
Mosquito F.II (flew intruder missons, no radar)
December 1942; 23. Sqn, Malta

Mosquito FB.VI
Mai 1943; 23. Sqn, Malta

Mosquito NF.XII (radar)
July 1943; 256. Sqn detachment, Malta


and over Burma:
the first Mosquito Fighterbombers appeared in India mid 1943 , mostly for tests.
No.45 Squadron changed to the Mosquito FB.VI in february 1944. and here they flew also their typical low and fast groundattacks - not avoiding shooting down any japanese planes, there were not much, they met http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mrsiCkstar
09-04-2006, 03:46 PM
because mud moving owns all else. sorry can't answer any of your other questions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
09-04-2006, 04:40 PM
think we have merlin 23s, or 21s, hard to say. the merlin 25 just has a cropped supercharger basicaly, like a LF spitvb, but more so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
(boost gauge is probably wrong, probably running at lower boost..)

it would be used for ground attack, night time ground attack, day and night intruder work (stooging around at low level and doing targets of opportunity, from trains to sleeping 109s on airtests. often used to disupt the german nighttime activities (bombers and nightfighters) by waiting around near airfields and vulching.

shipping attack aswell. FBVI's where used on the ghestapo raids aswell.

they also had some success as dayfighters vs the tip and run 190's and other aircraft.

plus escort fighter.

recon too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

basicaly anything u can do with a aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif even level bombing, when in formation with a aircraft with a bombsite http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

the downside of our mossie is its on extra safe postwar specs for some things (ammo, divespeed limits) and has the merlin 23's

btw, one of the first units to equip with the FB VI had merlin 25's, and i think they where engine type most used, by far...

and ground attack is more challenging http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

you guys will be level bombing next http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

faustnik
09-04-2006, 04:44 PM
Thanks for the info guys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Flipping through the 2nd TAF book, Vol.1, I see some units converted to the Mossie in late '43. It mentions a lot of ramrods, does this imply daylight missions? I can't tell.

p1ngu666
09-04-2006, 05:08 PM
yeah, 2 group was daylight (mostly) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.associations.rafinfo.org.uk/code_names.htm

there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

faustnik
09-04-2006, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
yeah, 2 group was daylight (mostly) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.associations.rafinfo.org.uk/code_names.htm

there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Great, thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I don't see any pics of Mossies with rockets in '43-early '44. I wonder if the launchers created to much speed loss? Certainly the Typhoons were making good use of them.

p1ngu666
09-04-2006, 06:18 PM
not sure when they added rocket capablilty, maybe mid 44

faustnik
09-04-2006, 10:47 PM
Yeah, I see rockets in mid-44.

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These 2ndTAF books are really good. I like how the author goes to the rouble to show that claims and actual kills are so far apart for both RAF and LW. Frequently both sides claimed several kills when neither side actually lost any planes.

The first books show that two a/c were critical to RAF cros-channel operations, the Mustang I and the Typhoon. I hope we see those in BoB. I'd argue that, although the Tempest is the sexier beast, the Typhoon was the important workhorse. Would have been cool to get both in PF. There all also some pitcures of Mustangs with 2 x 1000 lb. bombs. The P-51 had to be the greatest for drop & run. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ImpStarDuece
09-04-2006, 11:27 PM
First use of 60lbs rockets by Mosquitos was Nov-44.

p1ngu666
09-05-2006, 12:38 AM
id favour a tiffe or a mossie over a p51 for drop n run

tiffie for the http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif look, and 4 20mm cannon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

mossie got the internal bomb bay, 4cannon, 4mg, looks nice, 2 engines, a navigator too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

low level photo recon is where the p51 was probably best http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Daiichidoku
09-05-2006, 01:16 AM
read "terror in the starboard seat" (sorry, no details, its not in front of me, and its 3:11am local http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif)

this relatively short book is very light on the tech aspect...but sheds great light on Mossie intruder ops ETO (and once to norway) in general, and from 41 sorties by this crew, in specifics...and all from what most of us are unaccustomed to...the nav's perspective

quite interesting, really

faustnik
09-05-2006, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:

tiffie for the http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif look, and 4 20mm cannon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Some of the P-51s were 4 x 20mm too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I will take the two engines though please. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

faustnik
09-05-2006, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
read "terror in the starboard seat" (sorry, no details, its not in front of me, and its 3:11am local http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif)

Thanks, found it here:

http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Starboard-Seat-David-McInt...8701?ie=UTF8&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Starboard-Seat-David-McIntosh/dp/0773730893/sr=8-1/qid=1157441857/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1009427-4948701?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Adding to my "wish list".

Xiolablu3
09-05-2006, 02:40 AM
Only problem I find with the ingame Mossie is that its weaker than a La5 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Strange cos they both made out of wood. I guess English wood isnt as strong as Russian wood.

WOLFMondo
09-05-2006, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
Thanks for the info guys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Flipping through the 2nd TAF book, Vol.1, I see some units converted to the Mossie in late '43. It mentions a lot of ramrods, does this imply daylight missions? I can't tell.

Check out the Mossie raids in Volume 2. They played a very large part in night time ground attack.

mhuxt
09-05-2006, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
First use of 60lbs rockets by Mosquitos was Nov-44.

Not quite; Sharp and Bowyer mention 305 Squadron having used rockets against targets in Normandy in late July '44. Page 251 in my edition.

BGs_Ricky
09-05-2006, 05:03 AM
October '44 is the first use of Coastal Command rocket-equipped Mosquitos for anti-shipping missions.
Before that Mosquitos of the Banff Wing were using their guns, bombs and depth charges against boats and U-boats. A good reference is "A SEPARATE LITTLE WAR: The Banff Coastal Command Strike Wing Versus the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe 1944-1945" by Andrew Bird.

See also: http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/sorties.html

"October 26 1944.

Mosquito’s at Banff use Rocket Projectiles for the first time, and can now bring the equivalent to a broadside from a cruiser against enemy shipping and submarines."

Banff Mosquitos began to be refitted in order to be able to use rockets from late September.

I personally don't know if other RAF Mossies squadrons were cleared for rockets before Oct. '44.

carguy_
09-05-2006, 05:12 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Only problem I find with the ingame Mossie is that its weaker than a La5 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Strange cos they both made out of wood. I guess English wood isnt as strong as Russian wood.


DOH!


A special tip for all Mossie junkies: do not try to dogfight the La5 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

R988z
09-05-2006, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Only problem I find with the ingame Mossie is that its weaker than a La5 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Strange cos they both made out of wood. I guess English wood isnt as strong as Russian wood.


DOH!


A special tip for all Mossie junkies: do not try to dogfight the La5 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The mossie isn't that bad at dogfighting actually, I have downed a 109G6 in a one on one dogfight (the pilot didn't seem very experienced though) and ruined the days of a few over confident boom and zoomers, you may only get a moment for a quick deflection shot as they go by, but the Mossie certainly has enough firepower to make the most of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif