PDA

View Full Version : A Request to the Admins of Dedicated Servers



Monson74
02-20-2005, 04:36 AM
Hi,

First let me say that I very much enjoy playing on your dedicated & scripted servers. Mostly I fly at Greatergreen, Sturmovik.de, F16 & the Zeke vs Wildcat one. However, lately I have noticed that the online experience has turned into a lagfest. With 10 ships & 40+ players pounding away the average internet connection just isn't up to the task. This has probably nothing to do with the server-hardware or connection - I think the problem is on the user-side. My request is that we had a discussion on how we deal with it - my suggestion is that the maximum number of players is reduced to no more than 16 & the amount of flak is significantly reduced as well. I know this is controversial but my point is that we're better off with fewer players having fun than a lot of players warping around. Please let me know your oppinion on this matter.

Best regards &

Monson74
02-20-2005, 04:36 AM
Hi,

First let me say that I very much enjoy playing on your dedicated & scripted servers. Mostly I fly at Greatergreen, Sturmovik.de, F16 & the Zeke vs Wildcat one. However, lately I have noticed that the online experience has turned into a lagfest. With 10 ships & 40+ players pounding away the average internet connection just isn't up to the task. This has probably nothing to do with the server-hardware or connection - I think the problem is on the user-side. My request is that we had a discussion on how we deal with it - my suggestion is that the maximum number of players is reduced to no more than 16 & the amount of flak is significantly reduced as well. I know this is controversial but my point is that we're better off with fewer players having fun than a lot of players warping around. Please let me know your oppinion on this matter.

Best regards &

Capt_Haddock
02-20-2005, 07:09 AM
I join the request http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Perhaps going down to 16 players max is a bit extreme, but 32 was a very reasonable limit. All these new massive servers are quite unplayable with terrible frame rates. At least for me.

I somehow miss the old IL2 days with simple and straight to the point servers. Quality over quantity.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19banner.jpg

madsarmy
02-20-2005, 07:17 AM
Does a players game settings make a difference? eg. Perfect settings compared to Excellent,Screen res. etc.

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-20-2005, 01:23 PM
It is time for everyone to start upgrading. With the release of PF, the requirements to play have increased. Oleg even stated himself that you would need 1.3-1.5 time more ram.

My suggestions for playing online are:

CPU: 2.4ghz min
Ram: 1 gig min (1.5 optimal)
Video: ATI 9600pro / Nvdia 5700 min


The thing that i keep seeing over and over is people trying to run perfect settings while playing online. IMHO, if you are doing this, you have to expect poor performance. Everyone always says, but i can play offline and get 30-40FPS average. Never see them state what the min was. The thing you have to realize is that your FPS will not be the same offline as they are online. When you are online, there is alot more CPU calcs going on which will inturn reduce your FPS.

My comment on this is, arent we supposed to be moving forward instead of backwards? There are alot of people out there that can host 16-20 players server off their home connections. If you dont have the system to handle the big server, then simply do not fly on them. There are plenty of smaller server for you to enjoy.

One last thing as well. Most EVERYONEs connection is more the adequate to handle a 60 player server. With that amount of players on a server, your connection need to be able to handle somewhere around 3-4 k/sec down and 1.5-2.5k k/sec up. This is nowhere near taxing even on a 56k modem.

Capt_Haddock
02-20-2005, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
It is time for everyone to start upgrading. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

why? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My computer runs IL2 smoothly as silk in a 16 to 20 player server. A well designed mission wil be extremely enjoyable with just those people. It's a question of being a bit more imaginative when making missions instead of using brute force.

Warbirds could handle a lot more players and keep a smooth gameplay years ago because it was designed to do exactly that, but IL2 was never designed as a Massive Multiplayer online game.
As you say, it's too demanding on the CPU (nothing to do with GPU). I'm sure I'm not the only one that suffers low framerates only in big servers.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19banner.jpg

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
02-20-2005, 04:02 PM
I think we basicaly have two kinds of server out there. Those that want to emulate a war and all the chaos that goes with it. And those that want to enable online squad based air combat with the minimum of frills. Personaly I prefer the latter and find the strain on hardware a lot less demanding. Of course the squad based kind does not realy require a full time dedicated server and the war kind can be interesting if done in a well and considerd manner.

F19_Orheim
02-20-2005, 04:27 PM
F19_Cr@pGalore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
02-20-2005, 04:47 PM
shhhhhh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

F19_Orheim
02-20-2005, 04:49 PM
down for tonight..

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-20-2005, 09:13 PM
Capt_Haddock

Honestly if you have to ask why, then there really is no point go on with this.

It takes more of a system to play on a larger server. Sure not everyone has a system that can handle it. So it comes down to do you want to fly on a server with 40+ players. If so, then upgrade. If not, the play on the smaller servers. There are always plenty of 20player and less servers sitting around empty.

I always like to use this analogy.

Its kind of like NHRA Drag racing. There are differnt classes that drivers can race in. If you want to run in the SuperPro class, you need to have a SuperPro car. You will not be able run with them if you are running in a Street class car. Wanna play in the big league, get the big league toys.

Capt_Haddock
02-21-2005, 01:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
F19_Cr@pGalore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep. You are right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Joined Sunday morning for a quick flight and it was a blast. I didn't remember how long dogfights could last when you get 2 J8As vs 2 J8As. Pure class. Looking forward to the Cr.42 vs Cr.42.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19banner.jpg

Monson74
02-21-2005, 01:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I always like to use this analogy.

Its kind of like NHRA Drag racing. There are differnt classes that drivers can race in. If you want to run in the SuperPro class, you need to have a SuperPro car. You will not be able run with them if you are running in a Street class car. Wanna play in the big league, get the big league toys. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But aren't these public dedicated servers supposed to target the average user? Are dedicated servers for the Premier League hardware owners only or should common folks have a chance to have some good fun? Besides, I don't think it has that much to do with the hardware - it's the internet connection that is the bottleneck in this case. A lot of people have dsl or cable these days but even then we get loads of lag (not lager) because of the massive AAA activity & maybe 50 players with guns blazing. I'd rather sit & wait & know that the (fewer) people on a server is having fun than warp around with them - then when there is room I can join a quality game. We can't play a game together if things doesn't happen simultaneously, right?

F19_Orheim
02-21-2005, 02:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
F19_Cr@pGalore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep. You are right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Joined Sunday morning for a quick flight and it was a blast. I didn't remember how long dogfights could last when you get 2 J8As vs 2 J8As. Pure class. Looking forward to the Cr.42 vs Cr.42.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Haddock my friend. One of the very neat things iis that I run F19_Cr@pGalore with IL2 Commander (www.gennadich.com (http://www.gennadich.com)) which makes it possible to vote to change map. If a majority types in "&lt;vote" the next map will Load. So if you can reason with those playing on the server you can quickly change planesettings to the onw you like. Waaaaay to go Gennadich http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Sturm_Williger
02-21-2005, 05:05 AM
A question, SPaRX.

I have an ok CPU ( 2.2 Ghz ) and decent Ram ( 1.25 Gb ), but I have a pretty useless graphics card - doesn't even support Perfect.

What I'd like to know is, does the cr@p GPU influence warping and lag or does it just lower the eye-candy for me ( I also have a fairly decent broadband connection ) ?

I haven't played on Warclouds yet as I'm still struggling to get to grips with CEM, but I do aspire to someday and I'd like to know if it's going to have to wait until I can get a proper card with grunt.

Thanks
=|:)

crazyivan1970
02-21-2005, 05:20 AM
I actually agree with initial poster, players count does matter and matters alot. That`s the reality... back in my hosting days i have never exceeded 28 ppl + host even that hardware and connection were allowing me to go for more then that. When i combined efforts with Hunter and we run Hunter82_server we came to conclusion that going over 32 ppl on the server just not worth it. Yes, you get rich target environment...but you will have to compensate it with increasing level of lag and stutter. And that was without FBD running.

Also, a lot of things depend on how mission is built, which map is used and how bases are positioned.
Just my 02c.

Sturm_Williger
02-22-2005, 08:02 AM
Bump ! Hoping for a response from SPaRX or someone else who's up on the technical side of things.

Ie. Does the fact that I have a decent system and connection, but a useless graphics card influence lag online, or does it just give me less eye candy ?

Cheers

Monson74
02-22-2005, 08:17 AM
Hmmm... I was kinda hoping to get some reaction from the actual admins. What do you think about this?

Sturm_Williger
02-22-2005, 10:25 AM
Shameless bump ( next one engenders shame, I think ) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TheGozr
02-22-2005, 11:45 AM
Sparx have very good points about this.
My first advise is to ovoid to play on Perfect and i know that many are doing it with not very good PC .( try to anderstand the capabilities of your Vcards and tweak your conf file ) water=0 trees etc... spend some time on it...
Turn off any software running on the background turn on just your il2 , TS and track ir http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. So many of you have way to much resources taked away with so many litle softwares or spys running on the bacground as icq,msn,mail check up,xp automatic things etc.. you will be surprise how better it will be. don t forget something real good is the litle latency for your pc (LtcyCfg)

or you can have a second account on your pc just for il2 with a lots of XP gui cutted down TOAD has great infos about that.

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-22-2005, 02:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monson74:
Hmmm... I was kinda hoping to get some reaction from the actual admins. What do you think about this? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What am I?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Monson74
But aren't these public dedicated servers supposed to target the average user? Are dedicated servers for the Premier League hardware owners only or should common folks have a chance to have some good fun? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First off you are wrong by calling them "public". They are private servers that admins allow you to play on. There is nothing that says how an admin must setup his server. I have choosen to run my server for those that have a PC that can handle a 40+ player enviornment. If you PC cannot handle it, there are plenty of other 20 and under player server for you to enjoy.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Monson
Besides, I don't think it has that much to do with the hardware - it's the internet connection that is the bottleneck in this case. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is definately hardware related. More so then connection. Anyone that is on Broadband has a connection that can receive at 3k/sec and send at 1.5k/sec. That is all that is needed on server with 40 Players. The problem is that people try to play on these servers with sub-par hardware. Its up to you to decide if you want to upgraded your PC so that you can play on these servers without lagging and stuttering.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sturm_Williger

I have an ok CPU ( 2.2 Ghz ) and decent Ram ( 1.25 Gb ), but I have a pretty useless graphics card - doesn't even support Perfect.

What I'd like to know is, does the cr@p GPU influence warping and lag or does it just lower the eye-candy for me ( I also have a fairly decent broadband connection ) ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes, Yes and lastly YES. Having a sub-par video card will cause you to lag on large servers.



Monson, yes you are correct that a lower player number server is better for everyone. But admins do not run servers for EVERYONE. They run a server to their liking and hope others wish to play on it as well. I have said this 100s of times, Everyone cannot play on EVERY server that there is.

S~

Sturm_Williger
02-22-2005, 03:05 PM
Thanks for the answer SPaRX.

Not what I wanted to hear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif but good to have the proper info.

I shall wait until I have decent spec then, before joining WC. Good thing really, I need to practice more.

Cheers