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Feathered_IV
09-24-2005, 09:15 PM
*sigh*

I must be getting old. My venerable MS Sidewinder PP2 creaks and screeches worse than granny's wooden leg. Something needs to be done.

Any cures for this. Oil or graphite dust maybe?
Perhaps surgery is required...

Feathered_IV
09-24-2005, 09:15 PM
*sigh*

I must be getting old. My venerable MS Sidewinder PP2 creaks and screeches worse than granny's wooden leg. Something needs to be done.

Any cures for this. Oil or graphite dust maybe?
Perhaps surgery is required...

HotelBushranger
09-24-2005, 11:18 PM
Mate. That was THE WORST title you could have thought of http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Feathered_IV
09-24-2005, 11:48 PM
Really? You should have seen the ones I decided not to use!

Granny says hi btw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

spitzfiya
09-25-2005, 12:14 AM
Use a lithium based Grease Such as Lith-Ease.

I use it on my X-45 and no more sticky and squeaky stick

JunkoIfurita
09-25-2005, 02:30 AM
Lithium grease is best for metal shafts, like the X-52/X-45 have.

If my memory serves me correctly, the Precision Pro is an all-plastic ball.

Hmmm...try candle wax. Tully reccomended that to me (for my X-52), and it worked a charm. The soft candle wax you get in cheap birthday candles from Woolworths works best.

You could always try KY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

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x6BL_Brando
09-25-2005, 05:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oil or graphite dust maybe </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif No & http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Never!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I'll explain. Firstly, oil might work initially but would slowly gum up the works. Dust mingles with oil and either clogs up or even forms a mild grinding paste which will make the bearings even sloppier.

Graphite is electrically conductive, think of all those 'pencil-mods' to CPU's that used to be so common. The stick base is full of circuitry, and you'd have to be VERY careful (and very lucky) not to get any graphite into the switches that lie underneath the external buttons.
Every time you moved the stick, e.g off your desk to clean the surface or whatever, you'd stand the chance of distributing the stuff around the internals. A definite no no.

I'd recommend some exploratory surgery. The most important question is have you ever opened up a PP before? It's a delicate operation, but an intelligent person can easily do it. You need patience and a good memory - though having a digital camera at hand can help with the last point.

Although the Precision Pro uses an IR (?) or similar system to detect the position of the stick at any given moment (as opposed to a potentiometer on each axis sending signals), the stick is still articulated in the base using a gimbal system with bearings. These bearings are plastic on plastic, usually a short shaft borne in a hole in the adjacent component. Dust collects in these areas, so the use of a can of compressed air is also worthwhile. Dust alone can cause squeaking and you might find that a good cleaning will be enough to solve the problem.

It's been quite a while since I dissected a PPro and unfortunately I don't have any carcasses left around, but I'm happy to point out some of the tricks involved if you want to go for opening it up. Like the base screws hidden under the rubber pads and so on.

Lithium-based grease applied sparingly is the way to go for lube. Microsoft's manufacturers used it in the force-feedback sticks and the bearings of the Pro. It doesn't react with the plastic as some oils may. The candlewax cure is specific to the X45 method of construction and I wouldn't recommend it for any of the M$ range.

Hope this helps, let me know if you need any more advice.

B.

Padser
09-25-2005, 07:51 AM
I used silicone grease to lubricate my X-45 when I had one. Very good and doesn't damage the plastic.

You should be able to get it from any plumbers merchants - they use it when joining plastic piping.

Cheers,

Pads

Taylortony
09-25-2005, 08:02 AM
Or a little candle wax DO NOT PUT OILS AND ANY OLD GREASE ON IT...........It will attack the plastic..

LEBillfish
09-25-2005, 08:37 AM
For a PP1...may be the same

Took apart my MS SW PP numerous times to clean it out/tighten it up......Till the last time I wasn't thinking and tightened it up too much and viola...Wrecked stick (had it 6 years).

What you'll find is a styrene plastic ball from the stick itself seated against a styrene plastic cup with a UHMW (white slippery plastic) washer below and so on......

Simply clean it all do nothing more.....No oil, graphite, lithium, monkey butt grease, anything....

Just clean it.

Once clean you can consider a few other things...Is the ball or cup or washer scored (scratched up)....If so, rub it out with a soft clost nothing more....However, a hard wax possibly rubbed over the scratces might fill them. Yet wax will attract dust/grit and that will wear it out faster.

You can also "slightly" hyper extend the springs to tighten it up a little....

HOWEVER................

The only way to really firm it up requires cutting....That cutting if even a gnats blonde p*be hair off will make it too tight, and it cannot be repaired then.

Access inside you'll find via the screws around the base and under the rubber feet, you'll have to pry them off. Once in there are 2 screws holding the circut board on that are tiny, then AFTER the board is off you'll find 4 screws to release the sensor and springs....Keep going and you will find 2-3 screws holding the Z-axis spring in and unless you want to "break apart" the handle that will be as far as you can go....

You will be stunned at what you find inside toe jam and dirt wise.....A good cleaning really helps.

Taylortony
09-25-2005, 08:42 AM
LEBillfish u in the States? I looked all over in the UK but for the life of me I can't find a source of Monkey Butt Grease http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Do they do it in various Grades, Ie Sticky, Super Sticky, and Lubed up ?

Texas LongHorn
09-25-2005, 10:27 AM
Billfish is right. In most cases simply CLEANING the beast is all that is required. As noted in other posts, some greases will actually attack the plastic and obviously that's not the intended result. If in doubt, consult the folks that the stick came from, they usually can be quite helpful. In real life I'm an A & P (Airframe and Powerplant tech) while I do networking for a living. Anyways, the correct answer is ALWAYS consult the manufacturer for correct lubes and such. All the bloody best you bunch of lunatics! LongHorn

Feathered_IV
09-26-2005, 02:38 AM
Thanks everyone, I think I've plucked up enough courage to open the thing up tonight and give the gizzards a bit of a clean. Wish me luck!


Edit: It worked!! Nice and smooth now. No more nightingale-floor sound effects http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thankyou everybody http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Oh, and Taylortony - I scraped out all the Monkey-butt grease and put it aside for you if you're still looking for some http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Airmail109
09-26-2005, 07:48 AM
I use candle wax for my X45....at least I know an engineer such as TonyT reccomends it...when i told schlachter that over HL he pissed himself with laughter. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Candle wax works very very well for my x-45 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ashley2005
09-26-2005, 07:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
You could always try KY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

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LMAO i use ky on my stick works wonders on yor squaky shaft o_O...

Ranger_80
09-27-2005, 10:41 PM
Still laughing everytime I see the title of this thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VFA-195 Snacky
09-28-2005, 05:18 PM
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Te_Vigo
09-30-2005, 12:32 PM
I get some stuff from hobby outlets (R.C. cars, etc) called Ceramic Grease.
It is white and it is what is used in rc cars on the gears/ bearings, etc

For gears, plastic and metal bearings.

It's what the MSFFB2 is loaded up with http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
but if in an exposed area that dust etc can get in, use a dry lube.

Feathered_IV
09-30-2005, 07:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">get some stuff from hobby outlets (R.C. cars, etc) called Ceramic Grease. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So THATS what its called! I had to remeove quite a bit of it from the inside because it was too contaminated with dust and jam. I was wondering where to get more from.

Thanks!