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Bang_D
10-03-2006, 02:54 AM
Hey guys I'm a new guy in flight sim. Find Keyboard just sucks. Wanna get a joystick. The seller told me a saitek X45/52 is ok but i'm not sure whether these two will fit IL2 since they are WWII old aircrafts. Plz, gimme some advice, OK?

JG52Uther
10-03-2006, 02:57 AM
X45/52 will work fine with IL-2.With all the buttons of the stick/throttle mapped,you will never need to touch the keyboard when flying.

-HH-Quazi
10-03-2006, 02:59 AM
Saitek X-52. Great HOTAS for the price. You be able to enjoy trimming your ac to near hands free operation(s) while climbing or on your way to target. Makes it great when you find yourself in need of a drink or needing to relieve your bladder in the middle of a mission, HEHE!

Btw, Welcome to the MADNESS!!

Bang_D
10-03-2006, 08:56 AM
Well, it seems that X45/52 has only one lever on the left hand, wondering if it can handle Prop Pitch/Mixture control pretty well.

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2006, 09:21 AM
There is no mixture axis in the game.

I have a x45 and mapped the pitch axis to the thumb rotary.

slo_1_2_3
10-03-2006, 04:36 PM
I have a saitek st 290 from wal-mart for 20 dollars, its working pretty good and its a cheaper choice. Just maybe to give you an option

Bearcat99
10-03-2006, 05:30 PM
The Saiteks are great for the price. I use a X-45/MSFFB2 combo.... but the Saitek alone is a great setup as well. I recommend that you go to this website (https://order.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/wg-order?unique=2f0cd&catalog=saitekusa&et=4522f7d5&basket=b%3D5C3a42bfd10037f44522f0cdd0ff63d42bfd1f0 8c3244296d9660056f9e23471a%26l%3D%26s%3D3W6hVglBd8 GSovSDs3ughiTbdzo-) and see if you can get a reconditioned X-52. At that price it is a steal. Most of the reconditioned sticks are pretty pristine.. you might find a scartch otr two... plus they come with a full warranty. This sim is made for a HOTAS setup and it also supports up to 4 controllers. If you go to that site and get the reconned X-52 then you can go here (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm%5C) and pick up a set of CH rudder pedals if you are so inclined. From what I hear CH sticks are pretty good. Saiteks are the best of the inexpensive sticks.. but be advised.. if yo are going to go wiht an inexpensive stick... aim high. Dont go for a cheap inexpensive stick.. and whatever you do stay away from Logitech. They dont last.

Oh yeah... welcome aboard....

VW-IceFire
10-03-2006, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Bang_D:
Hey guys I'm a new guy in flight sim. Find Keyboard just sucks. Wanna get a joystick. The seller told me a saitek X45/52 is ok but i'm not sure whether these two will fit IL2 since they are WWII old aircrafts. Plz, gimme some advice, OK?
I personally use the X-52. Great stick...far better quality than anything I've had before. Its fairly robust and the throttle is a great thing to have. My previous sticks had a little slider for the throttle...this is SO much more interactive.

horseback
10-03-2006, 08:06 PM
I have both a X-52/CH Pro Pedals setup and a CH Combatstick/Pro Throttle/Pro Pedals setup at my place (one for me, one for my son). Both are pretty nice, especially with TrackIR3, but the rig I use almost exclusively is the all-CH setup.

The CH stick tracks better, and I just like the ergonomics of it better, although I'd love it if the Pro Throttle came with a couple-three rotaries or sliders like the X-52 (and kept all the buttons).

As for quality, the CH setup has been used hard for three years now without a glitch. I've only had the X-52 for a couple of months, so I can't comment on its life expectancy, but it feels like it hasn't worn down at all yet. But it somehow lacks the 'feel' and responsiveness of the CH stick.

If you're looking for long term quality, and you have the $300 plus, go with the CH products.

If not, the Saitek products will do for a while.

cheers

horseback

dravisar
10-03-2006, 11:29 PM
I went from the X52 for about 6 months (left it with my ex!) to a 290pro (women!) I picked up on sale for 10 bucks from Radio Shack...and the only difference I can see is the fact that I use the keyboard alot more, and sometimes throttling down and hitting flaps all at once is a pain.

Otherwise...130 bucks vs 10....ST290 wins for casual simming.

Oh, and my new girlfriend can't tell any difference when...erm...nevermind! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

zbw_109
10-04-2006, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
whatever you do stay away from Logitech

After buying IL2 I had just $15 au so I got a Attack 3 (yeah i know its ****) with 11 buttons so I am stuck with 90% keyboard control, but it has lasted since 2003

Bang_D
10-04-2006, 03:40 AM
OK, I've got a X45 and just configuring now.
And next, what about rudder pedals? Is it important to buy an advanced model? and tell me which brand ya think is the best, OK?

Bearcat99
10-05-2006, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by zbw_109:
After buying IL2 I had just $15 au so I got a Attack 3 (yeah i know its ****) with 11 buttons so I am stuck with 90% keyboard control, but it has lasted since 2003

You are the exception not the rule.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Originally posted by Bang_D:
OK, I've got a X45 and just configuring now.
And next, what about rudder pedals? Is it important to buy an advanced model? and tell me which brand ya think is the best, OK?

Get the CH pedals here (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm%5C), they are the best IMO, at least for under $100, although from what I hear the new Saiteks:
http://image.compusa.com/prodimages/48/72887eb5-7b2b-4e29-aede-4d05f4b00fd3.gif (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=SEARCH&Ntt=saitek&N=0&Dx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&D=saitek&Ntk=All&product_code=341613&Pn=Pro_Flight_Rudder_Pedals)
are good as well. The Saiteks have a wider stance but they are also @ $60 more in price. I have the CHs and I like them.

As for the X-45.. you might want to check out Adlabs' X-45 profile (http://www.geocities.com/adlabs6/B/). You can also checkout Tully's SST X-45 profile (http://jennirivers.actewagl.net.au/fb.zip) and also his Tutorial on Joysticks & IL2/FB/PF (http://www.airwarfare.com/tech/sticks.htm)

GerritJ9
10-09-2006, 05:09 AM
When I bought the original IL2 I also got a Logitech stick, but after a few months it lost precision, especially when making minor course corrections, so I bought a Saitek Cyborg Evo. Not their top-of-the-line model, I admit, but I have used it for several years now and it still works like new. The only real criticism I have is that the base could be heavier, but otherwise I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

Chivas
10-09-2006, 12:07 PM
There arn't any great new sticks available. They all have issues. The Saitek X52 Pro due out soon may be the only stick on the horizon that may be OK.
CH Fighterstick... is a robust stick. The only issue I have with it is its clunky gimbals.
The Thrustmaster Cougar is another good stick but has very clunky gimbals that will cost a fortune to replace.
The X52 is ok but mine had deadzone issues.
The sticks I use are Microsoft that have smooth precise gimbals, unfortunately they arn't made anymore, but can be picked up on ebay. You will have to know how to sodder new trigger switches because they have tendency to fail after time.

A good thing about the X52 is its lockable twist rudder. It gives you many options for rudder control and can be locked out when you buy rudder pedals. You could even assign the rudders to a rotary on the throttle if you are used to some sort of rocker switch for pedals. The new Saitek pedals are a good choice.

I haven't found anything yet that improves on Microsoft sticks, hopefully the X52 Pro will fill the bill.

PFflyer
01-21-2007, 10:09 PM
Chivas is right on the money, the microsoft precision 2, and FFB2 are the best sticks ever made.
My microsoft precision 2 is my secret weapon against those with junky, clunky, sloppy and cheap krap that is out there on the shelves today.

If there is anyway, any noob reading this can get their hands on the ms precision2, on ebay or something, get it, you will never be satisfied with another brand stick again, you will be spoiled.

Some precision 2 sticks will lose a button now and then, some dont. Just buy an extra ms stick whenever you run across one at a junk shop and use it for spare parts, and you will be set for many years.

RAF74_Raptor
01-25-2007, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zbw_109:
After buying IL2 I had just $15 au so I got a Attack 3 (yeah i know its ****) with 11 buttons so I am stuck with 90% keyboard control, but it has lasted since 2003

You are the exception not the rule.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Originally posted by Bang_D:
OK, I've got a X45 and just configuring now.
And next, what about rudder pedals? Is it important to buy an advanced model? and tell me which brand ya think is the best, OK?

Get the CH pedals here (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm%5C), they are the best IMO, at least for under $100, although from what I hear the new Saiteks:
http://image.compusa.com/prodimages/48/72887eb5-7b2b-4e29-aede-4d05f4b00fd3.gif (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=SEARCH&Ntt=saitek&N=0&Dx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&D=saitek&Ntk=All&product_code=341613&Pn=Pro_Flight_Rudder_Pedals)
are good as well. The Saiteks have a wider stance but they are also @ $60 more in price. I have the CHs and I like them.

As for the X-45.. you might want to check out Adlabs' X-45 profile (http://www.geocities.com/adlabs6/B/). You can also checkout Tully's SST X-45 profile (http://jennirivers.actewagl.net.au/fb.zip) and also his Tutorial on Joysticks & IL2/FB/PF (http://www.airwarfare.com/tech/sticks.htm) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

r0bman
01-25-2007, 10:53 AM
I loved my X-52 when I first got it, but after extended use I could not get used to the actual Joystick part. So I bought the new Saitek Aviator when it came out... wow do I like it.

X-52 Throttle + Saitek Aviator = http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-25-2007, 11:34 AM
If price is a key issue (let's face it, price is always somewhat of an issue) then the Saitek X-52 should work well for you. Your dedication to this hobby, available funds, and desire for sturdy, long-lived equipment will likely increase if you stick with it and in that regard, I'd suggest going with CH Products from the start.

You don't have to go all the way initially. Get a Flightstick Pro ($79) or Combatstick ($89) or Fighterstick ($109) and CH Pro Rudder pedals and you'll be good to go for all but the most obscure controls. You can get a Flightstick Pro and pedals for well under $200USD and then add the Pro Throttle later.

Oh, and don't forget your TrackIR http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

One good thing about this hobby is you'll rarely be hard to buy for come birthdays and X-mas. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

TB

Chivas
01-25-2007, 01:09 PM
Since I last posted in this thread I purchaced a Saitek Aviator and found it could be a smooth precise joystick with only slight mods. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif If the X52Pro is as precise as this stick it would be a good Hotas option.

I was also able to pick up a new MSFF2 on ebay. The Saitek will be a nice backup for my MS stick.

Bearcat99
02-01-2007, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Chivas:

A good thing about the X52 is its lockable twist rudder. It gives you many options for rudder control and can be locked out when you buy rudder pedals. You could even assign the rudders to a rotary on the throttle if you are used to some sort of rocker switch for pedals. The new Saitek pedals are a good choice.

I haven't found anything yet that improves on Microsoft sticks, hopefully the X52 Pro will fill the bill.

One of the best things about the Saiteks is the profiling software. If you have an X-52 and pedals you can set that rudder rocker as a 3way banded switch.... say a 60-70% null zone in the center and 20-15% on either side. Then assign the rudder trim left and rudder trim right functions accordingly in each of the 20% zones. That way you could use the twist handle for rudder trim and adjust it accordingly ... without taking your hands off the stick, using the ball to tell you where your trim is.. which is the ultimate indicator anyway since rudder trim will change as you increase or decrease the throttle. I have my rudder trim on a slider,a knob actually from one of the stick pots from my modded X-45... since I use a MSFFB2/X-45 combo set up.. but if all I had was an X-52.... thats what I would do.

Tully__
02-02-2007, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by Bang_D:
OK, I've got a X45 and just configuring now.
And next, what about rudder pedals? Is it important to buy an advanced model? and tell me which brand ya think is the best, OK?
Unless you have a LOT of money rudder pedals comes down to a choice between Saitek and CH Products. Go for USB and apart from width between the pedals (Saitek is wider if I recall correctly) and price there's not much to choose between the two unless you have CH stick and throttle as well.

Marcel_Albert
02-03-2007, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by Chivas:
There arn't any great new sticks available. They all have issues. The Saitek X52 Pro due out soon may be the only stick on the horizon that may be OK.
CH Fighterstick... is a robust stick. The only issue I have with it is its clunky gimbals.
The Thrustmaster Cougar is another good stick but has very clunky gimbals that will cost a fortune to replace.
The X52 is ok but mine had deadzone issues.
The sticks I use are Microsoft that have smooth precise gimbals, unfortunately they arn't made anymore, but can be picked up on ebay. You will have to know how to sodder new trigger switches because they have tendency to fail after time.

A good thing about the X52 is its lockable twist rudder. It gives you many options for rudder control and can be locked out when you buy rudder pedals. You could even assign the rudders to a rotary on the throttle if you are used to some sort of rocker switch for pedals. The new Saitek pedals are a good choice.

I haven't found anything yet that improves on Microsoft sticks, hopefully the X52 Pro will fill the bill.

Great post , fully agree http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Had bought a Microsoft Force feedback 2 , three years ago , and i've never seen a more stable and precise joystick since .

Unfortunately , now the hat is getting some real problems as well as my cannon button , i got real troubles and i'm really gutted that Microsoft don't build them anymore , that's a shame cause they were by far the best , made with quality components , i don't understand how they couldn't make a lot money with them .

I tried the X-52 , i was disappointed because it's so soft , i feel like controlling a bike instead of plane , what's good with the FF2 is the hardness and accuracy , pleasure you have to control heavy planes .

For the malfunctionning hat , i'll go for the track IR , it was about time i said i'll try it ,but for the cannon button , i guess i have to change it , but i'm really in trouble without the FF2 , cannot fly the plane anymore with X-52 or the Thrustmaster one , they are too soft and innacurate for my liking , especially soft .

Maybe the cougar , but that is expensive and i heard they are some components you neeed to change sooner than expected , i need to try it .

Also i heard that the X-45 is harder than the 52 , maybe i should try it too , i need a rigid one .

Fighterduck
02-03-2007, 03:13 AM
personally using TopGun Afterburner 2...cheap and works great. Sure i you wanna more buttons and options go with the 52/45 but if you think 8 buttons are sufficent this is a good cheap joystick to look for.

Chivas
02-04-2007, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chivas:
There arn't any great new sticks available. They all have issues. The Saitek X52 Pro due out soon may be the only stick on the horizon that may be OK.
CH Fighterstick... is a robust stick. The only issue I have with it is its clunky gimbals.
The Thrustmaster Cougar is another good stick but has very clunky gimbals that will cost a fortune to replace.
The X52 is ok but mine had deadzone issues.
The sticks I use are Microsoft that have smooth precise gimbals, unfortunately they arn't made anymore, but can be picked up on ebay. You will have to know how to sodder new trigger switches because they have tendency to fail after time.

A good thing about the X52 is its lockable twist rudder. It gives you many options for rudder control and can be locked out when you buy rudder pedals. You could even assign the rudders to a rotary on the throttle if you are used to some sort of rocker switch for pedals. The new Saitek pedals are a good choice.

I haven't found anything yet that improves on Microsoft sticks, hopefully the X52 Pro will fill the bill.

Great post , fully agree http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Had bought a Microsoft Force feedback 2 , three years ago , and i've never seen a more stable and precise joystick since .

Unfortunately , now the hat is getting some real problems as well as my cannon button , i got real troubles and i'm really gutted that Microsoft don't build them anymore , that's a shame cause they were by far the best , made with quality components , i don't understand how they couldn't make a lot money with them .

I tried the X-52 , i was disappointed because it's so soft , i feel like controlling a bike instead of plane , what's good with the FF2 is the hardness and accuracy , pleasure you have to control heavy planes .

For the malfunctionning hat , i'll go for the track IR , it was about time i said i'll try it ,but for the cannon button , i guess i have to change it , but i'm really in trouble without the FF2 , cannot fly the plane anymore with X-52 or the Thrustmaster one , they are too soft and innacurate for my liking , especially soft .

Maybe the cougar , but that is expensive and i heard they are some components you neeed to change sooner than expected , i need to try it .

Also i heard that the X-45 is harder than the 52 , maybe i should try it too , i need a rigid one . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Saitek Aviator for 30 to 40 dollars is now a great option. I found it to be very precise. The only mods I made to it were a 5/16 neoprene washer placed between the base of the stick and the bottom of the spring to increase tension and smooth out the transition between the x and y axis. A buddy of mine whos MS stick just crapped out bought one and loves it. He uses it in combination with his X52 throttle.

I use it as a back up to my the new MSFF2 which I managed to find on Ebay.

Joystick collection
Multiple MS joysticks (Precision & MSFF2)parts
1 Saitek Aviator (Very good)
1 Saitek X52(decent throttle, crappy joystick)
1 CH Fighterstick (Well made but gimbals are clunky)
1 Thrustmaster Cougar (great throttle, crappy joystick)Requires expensive mod.

I haven't tried the X52Pro....but it looks like it may be a big improvement over the X52...but take that with a grain of salt...you never know until you've tried one.

jermin122
02-08-2007, 01:00 AM
MSFF2 RULES!

hframpto
02-08-2007, 12:32 PM
Hello Chivas, yep love the new Aviator stick, closest I have found to the MSFFB. I just chucked the X52 with the throttle in the garbage! The rotary wheels on the throttle, started acting up, had enough of that piece of ****, now using the old standbye Nostrumo with the Aviator. May think about X 52 Pro, after you buy and try. lol

Lucky}{awk ~S~

Chivas
02-08-2007, 05:27 PM
Hi Lucky...not likely that I will be buying the X52 Pro any time soon. I just missed picking up a back up Cougar throttle on ebay. I got home a few minutes after the auction closed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I 'm not a big fan of the feel of the X52 throttle and stick. If the new X52 Pro stick is as precise as the Aviator then the X52Pro may be a great option for some. I would probably recommend the Saitek Aviator combined with a CH throttle. The Cougar throttle is excellent but it has to be plugged into a Cougar Stick, so its not a option for most.

~Salute~
Chivas

Marcel_Albert
02-11-2007, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Chivas:
The Saitek Aviator for 30 to 40 dollars is now a great option. I found it to be very precise. The only mods I made to it were a 5/16 neoprene washer placed between the base of the stick and the bottom of the spring to increase tension and smooth out the transition between the x and y axis. A buddy of mine whos MS stick just crapped out bought one and loves it. He uses it in combination with his X52 throttle.

I use it as a back up to my the new MSFF2 which I managed to find on Ebay.

Joystick collection
Multiple MS joysticks (Precision & MSFF2)parts
1 Saitek Aviator (Very good)
1 Saitek X52(decent throttle, crappy joystick)
1 CH Fighterstick (Well made but gimbals are clunky)
1 Thrustmaster Cougar (great throttle, crappy joystick)Requires expensive mod.

I haven't tried the X52Pro....but it looks like it may be a big improvement over the X52...but take that with a grain of salt...you never know until you've tried one.

Thank you Chivas for advice , i'll definitely try the aviator to test , cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

knightflyte
02-11-2007, 10:32 PM
I was in my local Comp USA and saw an Aviator. It's not a stick I'm going to go out and buy because I'm quite happy with my CH, but I was impressed with the smooth stiffness it exhibited. I'd definately recommend it for an inexpensive stick if someone was not inclined to gat a HOTAS.

My old X45 spring was too stiff. It made precise manuevers difficult. The Aviator had a different feel and thought I could easily saddle up behind an enemy and shoot it fairly accurately.

Bearcat99
02-17-2007, 07:44 AM
I have since gotten the Saitek Pedals
http://image.compusa.com/prodimages/48/72887eb5-7b2b-4e29-aede-4d05f4b00fd3.gif

Which I must say are great. They are more precise than the CH pedals and offer a wider stance. They cost a bit more... but IMO if you are more than a casual simmer they are worth it.

mroseland
02-17-2007, 09:13 AM
Here's another vote for the Aviator. Only complaint is that it's a little lighter than I would like, but I added some rubber pads on the bottom to help keep it from sliding. I love the mode switch.

Sokol__1
02-18-2007, 06:36 AM
Had bought a Microsoft Force feedback 2 , three years ago , and i've never seen a more stable and precise joystick since .
Unfortunately , now the hat is getting some real problems as well as my cannon button ,

In spite of being easy to change the micro-swtichs under of the buttons and HAT of M$FF2 for new ones, some uses change the "grip" of M$FF2 whit one borrow for old gameporte Suncon, Cougar, CH F16:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4090/f15ff2xu2.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f15ff2xu2.jpg)

CH for instance, have a very good and durable HATs and buttons.

Sokol1

Marcel_Albert
02-18-2007, 04:41 PM
Nice FF2 Modding Sokol !

Thanks for intresting advice , i didnt think about it , so now i need another grip ! cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ricksterson
02-27-2007, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Sokol__1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Had bought a Microsoft Force feedback 2 , three years ago , and i've never seen a more stable and precise joystick since .
Unfortunately , now the hat is getting some real problems as well as my cannon button ,

In spite of being easy to change the micro-swtichs under of the buttons and HAT of M$FF2 for new ones, some uses change the "grip" of M$FF2 whit one borrow for old gameporte Suncon, Cougar, CH F16:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4090/f15ff2xu2.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f15ff2xu2.jpg)

CH for instance, have a very good and durable HATs and buttons.

Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


OH man ive been thinking about doing what u did with your FFB2 but with the cougar stick. Im just not sure how to get all the buttons working and all?? can u give some advice?

Buster_Dee
02-27-2007, 09:24 PM
I had the whole CH setup until I crushed the joystick cable and blew the stick. It had all held up well (3 years), but I have a smallish hand and found the CH stick to be a bit large for me. In their 4th year, one of the toe brakes stopped working. you can only use one in the game anyway, so I just remapped to the other pedal.

The stick never struck me as perfectly accurate though. My squad mates seemed to be able to finesse more--most of them had X45s at the time.

Don't fly much anymore, as I've taken an interest in 3D modelling/texturing. wading through that keeps me pretty busy.

Good luck (nice rig by the way. I'm hanging onto my old clunker until BoB SoW comes out)

Clipper_51
03-08-2007, 06:56 AM
Good thread!

I have used a MSFFB2 for 4 years. Every year some switch wouldfinally go, until recently when the trigger died.

I have a EVO Force and a CH Fighterstick. Neither satisfy as much as the MS stick. I see some above mentioned fixing the buttons on the MS stick.

Can I get any more info on that, or tips? It's the cannon button, the mg trigger and button four that died.

Chivas
03-08-2007, 11:52 AM
Replacement trigger switches can be found but I'm not sure where. Open your throttle handle and check there are not broken wires or solder connections first.

You might want to try the Saitek Aviator joystick its cheap, under $40, and its almost as good as the MS joystick. But no force feedback.

x6BL_Brando
03-08-2007, 02:37 PM
I see some above mentioned fixing the buttons on the MS stick.

Can I get any more info on that, or tips? It's the cannon button, the mg trigger and button four that died.

It's not so much that finding the microswitches is difficult, it's a fine-pointed, low-wattage iron and the relevant soldering skills that are hard to come by.

With the silly prices asked for FFB2s on eBay the best way is to grab a Precision Pro or similar (http://cgi.ebay.com/MICROSOFT-SIDEWINDER-JOYSTICK-w-USB-PORT-NEW_W0QQitemZ170089131108QQcategoryZ74944QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem) and recycle it for all its microswitches.

You could also use it as a testbed for learning how to solder up on these type of circuit boards.

B

Clipper_51
03-08-2007, 03:18 PM
here is an interesting thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6611051974

nearmiss
09-21-2007, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I have since gotten the Saitek Pedals
http://image.compusa.com/prodimages/48/72887eb5-7b2b-4e29-aede-4d05f4b00fd3.gif

Which I must say are great. They are more precise than the CH pedals and offer a wider stance. They cost a bit more... but IMO if you are more than a casual simmer they are worth it.

I tried the CH Pedals a couple years ago and hated that hard spot at center position. Also, I like my rudder to not move very much to start, until I've traveled about 50% of it's travel range... then I want full rudder to 100% to ramp up fast. I do this to keep my aircraft stable and prevent slipping/yawing. I don't target for poot when I'm slipping.

I mention this, because I'm interested to read your thoughts on the Saitek pedals.

buzzsaw1939
09-21-2007, 08:48 PM
I like my Saitek pedals, but I noticed right off they weren't fast enough, I sent them an e-mail about speeding them up, quick responce, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif but sorry no can do, unless, maybe in game config files, so I guess I'm out of luck, it's a little hard to make quick slip shots!

nearmiss
09-22-2007, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
I like my Saitek pedals, but I noticed right off they weren't fast enough, I sent them an e-mail about speeding them up, quick responce, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif but sorry no can do, unless, maybe in game config files, so I guess I'm out of luck, it's a little hard to make quick slip shots!

Thanks for that...

I think that pretty darned important.

I bought a Saitek keyboard the lighted thing, and it fritz so often I gave it up. It took about a year and it would create mystery keystrokes. LOL

So... I'm kinda shy of Saitek. They talk a good game and I honestly think they do the best they can. Look at Mattel, trust the Chinese to make sometihing and they'll find a way to cheese it up.

buzzsaw1939
09-22-2007, 11:20 AM
Rodger that...I haven't heard this complaint any where before, so I thought I'd throw it in here, maybe some techy will come to the rescue! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sokol__1
09-22-2007, 08:40 PM
The sticks I use are Microsoft that have smooth precise gimbals, unfortunately they arn't made anymore, but can be picked up on ebay. You will have to know how to sodder new trigger switches because they have tendency to fail after time.

Well, same guys solve these problems joining the better of two (or more)worlds:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/787/mschtmps2aq0.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mschtmps2aq0.jpg)

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Sokol1