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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 08:04 PM
Hi all. I have now been playing FB for about a month and a half, and am thinking about switching some of my time to online flying. I LOVE the campaigns in FB (user created and Dynamic), but the more I hear about online flying the more I wanna try it. Should I try online, or should I get Uber at single player missions before I go online? I am not too worried about being shot down, as long as I get a chance to learn.

Any advice? As well, what do I need to get to play online. I hear people talk a lot about HL...what exactly is that?

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 08:04 PM
Hi all. I have now been playing FB for about a month and a half, and am thinking about switching some of my time to online flying. I LOVE the campaigns in FB (user created and Dynamic), but the more I hear about online flying the more I wanna try it. Should I try online, or should I get Uber at single player missions before I go online? I am not too worried about being shot down, as long as I get a chance to learn.

Any advice? As well, what do I need to get to play online. I hear people talk a lot about HL...what exactly is that?

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 08:12 PM
Don`t just think about it "just do it" to coin a phrase.You dont have to be a top pilot to enjoy online flying im certainly not. Its totaly different to flying offline and certainly less predictable try it you`ll like it " whats the worst that can happen."

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 08:18 PM
Short answer: YES

Long answer: Defintely do it. You will thank yourself in the long run. To me, online multiplayer is what it is all about. It's much more stimulating than single player to me because of the interaction, team work, camaraderie, and skill. Flying online has taught me to be a much better pilot. If I fly against a QMB 16 plane flight, using unlimted ammo, I can down most, if not all, the AI enemy on my own. And I am hardly a top rated pilot online. (Those that have flown against me can atest to that! lol)

Hyperlobby is where the best online pilots fly. Find the link up at the FAQ at the top of this forum. I suggest you go in with a simple plane you are comfortable with and do the best you can. Join a server with settings you are comfortable with. Realize that no matter how good you are against a computer, you are a n00b against real people. So swallow the pride and understand you have a lot to learn. If something happens that you don't understand, like you got killed out of nowhere, I'll tell you right now, THEY DIDN'T CHEAT! They pulled a manuever or tactic you don't know about. Feel free to ask questions.

If you find a squadron that you end up flying with a lot, and they seem like a fit, then ask about joining the team. A squad can teach you tricks a lot faster than you could learn on your own. But before you do, I would work on your online skills. That way you will be more of an asset to whatever team you end up with. Some people prefer going at it alone. Whatever. Whatever your preference, just get out there, learn, and above all, HAVE FUN!


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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 08:22 PM
Well why not? Going on-line doesn´t mean you can´t continue going off-line http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I am getting broadband in a month and am going on-line for the first time.

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 10:47 PM
I just started a couple of weeks ago and I love it. I was invited to fly with three other fine guys every Friday evening and they are teaching me all kinds of neat things like flying under bridges or just the odd dogfight. They also got me on something called Team Speak where you can talk to one another while flying.

I can't get high speed service where I live so play on dial-up which works just fine. I practice all week off-line and then join them for four hours once a week.

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 11:12 PM
Well I'm sticking with offline, depsite it being more stale and predictable. My experience online is bad, even after I got DSL broadband. The problems with lag/warping is so silly, I mean sometimes a plane flown by someone will look like it's floating like a butterfly and look really weird, the next minute it will zoom ahead 10 miles away in 2 seconds flat, as if Lt. Sulu or Chekov has gotten and order from Capt. Kirk to go to warp factor 3. With offline that never happens. So many times have I tried to join a Coop mission only to get booted by some quirk or timing issue. Joining dogfights gets more hook up success but has never been interesting to me, since fighting a 109 against another 109 is not exactly realistic. And whole jam up of
planes in a big furball is no fun and more of a cluster**** than anything else as far as I'm concerned. AI and playability will get better in the years to come, so I'll stick to offline and wait for it to improve. Believe me, you'll see all the idiotic flaws of online play when you try it. I have been an outspoken and bitter opponent of the online farce from way back. Hopefully game developers will get the message that most people ( proven fact ) fly offline and will improve offline gameplay to a higher level than it's at now. Hint to Oleg: Please improve AI!!!

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Message Edited on 11/09/0310:22PM by mortoma

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 11:23 PM
I would advised playing online and preferably join a squad (most will accept you even if new on a trainee basis). You will learn far more than the manual or anything else offline will teach you.

But do not throw away the offline Campaign game. It`s great way to practise. Also it`s a lot less annoying than some people who come just to be a pain (Team killing, acting childish) and you can fight at your leisure. It`s also great for the fighting a whole war feeling it`s more reliable than static dogfights, or laggy servers....

Play online. It will be hard work.

Play offline- for your sanity. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Buzz_25th
11-09-2003, 11:28 PM
"I am not too worried about being shot down, as long as I get a chance to learn."


You'll learn to get shot down real good.



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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 11:33 PM
oeqvist wrote:
"Well why not? Going on-line doesn´t mean you can´t continue going off-line http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I am getting broadband in a month and am going on-line for the first time. "


Personally ( and this may be disappointing news ) I didn't find there was much or any difference at all when I went from dail-up to 256/1500Kbps DSL!! The fact is, YOU may have a better connection, but maybe ( probably ) there will still be people flying with you that still have dial-up. So your experience will be no better. The slow connectors will "drag" you down everytime. I saw no difference in the amount of unrealistic floating/warping of planes afterwards.
I only know that I was no longer a cause of it, since I had a good connection. The other people were causing it. Basically, online is a big drag for me. I could never understand how some could be so drawn into the experience and no doubt never will.





Message Edited on 11/09/0310:35PM by mortoma

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 11:35 PM
VEF is much better on sort of realistic online.

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 11:53 PM
essemm wrote:
- I am not
- too worried about being shot down, as long as I get
- a chance to learn.
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- Any advice?



Sounds like a smart guy. I just have 4 advises for you, if you are one of those who hate loosing in the long run and instead want to get serious with them bandits:

1. If there is more than one field available to take off from, do not chose the one with the enemies already above. The fight begins the moment you enter your airplane. If you get ripped off on the runway, it's your fault, not his.

2. After you got killed, sit there for a few minutes, revaluate the situation and think about what you did wrong.

In order to be able to do so, go here:

3. http://www.vulch.cwc.net/manual.html

and here:

4. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/fletcher183/energy.html

You don't need to learn everything at once, but you will accelerate the rise of your skill if you check back in there every now and then.

While those discussions were written for Arena flying in massively multiplayer online sims, and focus to some extend on surviving a multi bandit environment, they won't hurt you here either, especially not when you fly on some of the bigger FB servers like GreaterGreen or Virtualpilots 1 and 2.

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 11:58 PM
A tip is to pick ( or find ) a server that has the apropriate skill level.

Its fun to get shot down from time to time but its not equally amusing to practise this part of aircombat constantly......although if u quick record your sessions u can always learn how the more skilled ones behave and figure out some of their tricks.

Remember also that its a good idea to fly with friendlies even if u are not their wingman.That way u have at least an extra pair of eyes.

And read the rules of the server so u dont find yourself
Kicked from the game.


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 12:00 AM
Hello http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Give it a go, if you don't try it you'll never know, and other peoples views are only important considerations in your final decission... and you know you want too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 12:15 AM
Mortoma wrote:

Well I'm sticking with offline, depsite it being more stale and predictable. My experience online is bad, even after I got DSL broadband. The problems with lag/warping is so silly, I mean sometimes a plane flown by someone will look like it's floating like a butterfly and look really weird, the next minute it will zoom ahead 10 miles away in 2 seconds flat, as if Lt. Sulu or Chekov has gotten and order from Capt. Kirk to go to warp factor 3. With offline that never happens. So many times have I tried to join a Coop mission only to get booted by some quirk or timing issue. Joining dogfights gets more hook up success but has never been interesting to me, since fighting a 109 against another 109 is not exactly realistic. And whole jam up of
planes in a big furball is no fun and more of a cluster**** than anything else as far as I'm concerned. AI and playability will get better in the years to come, so I'll stick to offline and wait for it to improve. Believe me, you'll see all the idiotic flaws of online play when you try it. I have been an outspoken and bitter opponent of the online farce from way back. Hopefully game developers will get the message that most people ( proven fact ) fly offline and will improve offline gameplay to a higher level than it's at now. Hint to Oleg: Please improve AI!!!



Did you ever consider that the problems you are having may be due to your system?

Ok, you have DSL. Did you make sure that when you are in the game that Hyperlobby knows you have DSL? Hyperlobby automatically sets every user to 14.4k unless you tell it to do otherwise.

Whats the speed you connect to the host? Is the host in Europe with dial up? Nothing can help him. And you are asking for trouble if you join a server like that.

Whats your system like? Can it handle being connected to all the users in online play? Have you optimized your system to run the game at it's best performance? Just because it works off line doesn't mean it has the ability to hold up online.

Online play isn't a "Farce" as you say. Many people enjoy connecting and playing against other people, rather than a computer. Do you think it's a farce because we don't fight like they did back then? Well, this is a game. People play it for fun. Fact is, the way the fought back then was boring. But it was safer, and when you life is on the line thats what you want! Just because you don't seem to like the way we fight, doesn't mean it's a Farce.

So, fix your system up, which will fix the "idiotic problems" you are causing yourself, and try it again. But if you don't want to because it's a Farce, thats fine. Just don't come in here and try to crap on people that do.


Message Edited on 11/09/0303:25PM by Crash_Man

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 12:21 AM
play online. I LOVE IT! I played offline for more than a year but since i flew online for the first time I'd never go back. surely it's fun to fly offline sometimes but try online games. I'd say: use Hyperlobby. it's much better than UBI's servers and you'll have great fun there believe me.

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The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 12:32 AM
I've found online gaming to be so much more interesting that I've stopped playing offline. Go for it and have a blast!

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 01:54 AM
Its a totally different world..

Its so much harder, that its a little hard to take the first 8million times you get shot down... Just like RL, you are flying along, and suddenly you are down in flames..

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 02:14 AM
I remember my first campaign mission. I got "bounced", but the AI attack was obvious, so I was able to evade.

I remember getting bounced for the first time online. (get your filthy little minds out of the gutters) The plane dove almost straight down on me. Blew the crap out of my bird. Scared the pants off me. Well, actually I wasn't wearing pants. I fly nude. (doesn't everyone? LIARS!)

It was very exhilarating.

To this day I still enjoy the thrill of getting bounced online.

(shut up you sick perverts)

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 02:19 AM
Three things I'd suggest (one of which has been mentioned already):

1) If something strikes you as odd or if you're not sure about something, ASK! You will get answers.

2) Try to find someone to PAIR UP with. Preferably someone who's flown longer than you, but just ask if someone wants to pair up. Learn two/multi plane tactics from the start, and you'll find others will soon ask to fly with you. (And hopefully, you'll have someone to cover your six...)

3) Bind a key to start a QUICK RECORD TRACK. Start recording as you taxi to take off, let it run until you're shot down or back at the base. If something happens that you're not sure about (happened me every flight in the beginning), scribble down the QuickTrack number and keep it, delete the rest when you're done flying. Then sit down every now and then and go through your latest tracks. I usually choose to be able to change views and time compression, hit F2 to get exterior view (or Shift-/Ctrl-F2 to switch through the other players), zoom out a bit and either pan around with the mouse or (when things heat up) hit F6 to "padlock" to the closest enemy. I can't begin to tell you how much this has helped me. If you spot someone particularly good, just follow them around and watch how they fly. You'll learn a lot.


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 03:35 AM
Crash Man, I was being critical of the online experience, not those who chose to play that way!! Calm down man, yikes!! It's a farce for me, but not you and not for a bunch of people. It can be a farce for me if I want it to be. As far as settings, I knew about all that, still I get lot of warping planes. I go back a long way and have tried online flying in many sims, going all the way back to Air Warrior!! I also tried Warbirds and Aces High and also Red BaronII3D for about a month. I never liked any of it that much and lag has always been a problem in all of them. I could not have had bad setting in all of those games and I have always had a fairly current computer. Don't get me wrong, if there was no lag problems and internet connections were as good as a big LAN party connection, then I would love flying against human opponents!! But the current technology as far asa I'm concerned does not support online game play of fast moving sims very well. I want ZERO lag, and I won't play online until I get it. I wonder if there will still be internet lag in the year 2010??


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 05:48 AM
Go online with the 1.2beta, it's a hoot. Combat pre 1.2 usually took place on the deck but with reds always flying Stangs, the combat takes place between 3 and 5k which is really good. People utilse some great energy management and the fights are less about who spins out first into the ground.

Hyper Lobby is a great place to hang out and there is VEF of course but you'll have to play 1.11 there and that ain't so great for the Luftwaffe.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 06:20 AM
Mortoma, thats a bit like cutting your nose of to spite your face. You are unwilling to put up with a small ammount of lag (umm not really a problem on my end and I live on a island) to have a more realisitc more satisfying experience. What you said you seek is already infront of you. Sure there are better places than others but you have to be willing to find them. Dedicated servers have helped and these massive wars need pilots. You are paying for broadband for the downloads I presume? Ah come on its not that bad ammonst us millions who enjoy shoting one another. You will run into alot of folks that you see here everyday and most are a good bunch to goof off with. Its hardly the picture your post paint.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 06:38 AM
Cool guys...I really appreciate the input. I think I will go ahead with it, but I will wait until I get my greedy hands on the official 1.2 beta release. I still can't believe that nobody got RC02! Unbelieveable!

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:32 AM
C'mon in buddy! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:48 AM
It's tough out there but you will love it/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Wait till you get your first online kill.
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T_O_A_D
11-10-2003, 10:39 AM
Online is where its at!

To be Honest I have only played one flight game through on single player. CFS1 I only play single player when building and testing coop missions. And then I usually just let FMB play all the aircraft and then I watch, to determine if I have the timeing right. Then go in and fly wing to the leader of each flight and see if I can stay with him. Once thats done then its time to play it with friends, Online.

As far lag and warping go, Yep its there but if you go in prepared for it and expect it you won't be nearly as bothered by it. Besides now days so many people have broadband finding a lag free or nearly free server isn't that hard to find. Expecially if you stay with the Dedicated servers.

Yes the 1.2b is alot smoother too since the 51 can fight up high with the German aircraft. I noticed that the first night I played it. It was actually some of the mst fun I've had in there in a long time. I had som Pigs for wingee's /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 11:11 AM
Find difficulty settings you like and find out which servers run them. It makes a difference. Someone can be an uber ace on one server with icons and couldnt get a single kill on one without. It works both ways often. Most squads have favorite settings so find one you know you will like. Just remember, they are 'difficulty' settings, so dont be intimidated by the full real masochists(spelling?, sorry i'm lazy) running around Hyperlobby. If you like full real, cool, but dont think its any better or worse, its all preference.



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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 11:35 AM
basically .... Online is more challenging & more Fun