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SlowBurn68
03-23-2009, 05:40 PM
What are these spindle attached to the wheel covers on this gun?

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/vvv-04_09.jpg

SlowBurn68
03-23-2009, 05:40 PM
What are these spindle attached to the wheel covers on this gun?

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/vvv-04_09.jpg

ElAurens
03-23-2009, 05:55 PM
I believe that is a built in hoisting system to remove the road wheel sections before firing.

Crimea_River
03-23-2009, 09:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I believe that is a built in hoisting system to remove the road wheel sections before firing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure about that. The carriers did have a mechanism to hoist up the gun using a chain winch but I think the spindles mentioned are for coiling up communications cables. A battery of 88's could be connected back to a central command post that fed back target info to each gun. I think each gun carried it's own set of cables on these spindles. They look a bit flimsy for a chain hoist. More info here:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/articles/88mm.htm

Also check out this vid at the 50 second mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...1DAo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcT9NWI1DAo&feature=related)

julian265
03-23-2009, 10:37 PM
Dunno about the spindles, but I really hope the 88's in BoB won't be sharp-shooting single fighters below 6000 ft!!!

Odirroh
03-24-2009, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crimea_River:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I believe that is a built in hoisting system to remove the road wheel sections before firing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
... I think the spindles mentioned are for coiling up communications cables. A battery of 88's could be connected back to a central command post that fed back target info to each gun. I think each gun carried it's own set of cables on these spindles. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats it. You will find a very brief explanation within this manual (page 9, unfortunately in german language). Interesting detail: it is mentioned that the spindles for communication cables were mounted on the fenders of the back wheels.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmac...schriften/Flak88.pdf (http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Vorschriften/Flak88.pdf)

Odirroh

WTE_Galway
03-24-2009, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by julian265:
Dunno about the spindles, but I really hope the 88's in BoB won't be sharp-shooting single fighters below 6000 ft!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was no proximity fusing for flak in 1939 so nothing should be able to do that in SOW.

Late war in the pacific it was a different matter entirely.

Zeus-cat
03-24-2009, 06:12 PM
When I built a model of the 88 the instructions said they were the hoists used to raise and lower the guns onto the road wheels.

Tully__
03-24-2009, 08:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crimea_River:
...The carriers did have a mechanism to hoist up the gun using a chain winch... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
And indeed, closer examination of the above picture shows what appears to be a chain winch on the centreline of the carriage between each pair of wheels. This tends to support the suggestion that the spindles on the mudguards/fenders are comms cable (provided the 3D model is accurate of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Zeus-cat
03-24-2009, 09:24 PM
I went downstairs and grabbed the instructions from my unbuilt Tamiya Flak 36/37 (kit # 35017). The reels hold communication cables.

Zeus-cat
03-24-2009, 09:29 PM
Each set of road wheels has a winch. The winch is behind and to the right of the seat. If you look closely you can see the chain looped over the winch.

Crimea_River
03-25-2009, 08:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
I went downstairs and grabbed the instructions from my unbuilt Tamiya Flak 36/37 (kit # 35017). The reels hold communication cables. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bingo Zeus! I built that kit a long time ago and threw out the instructions. I thought I remembered those vinyl cables coiled around the spools. You've confirmed my memory is not going. Now if I could only find those instructions........

WTE_Galway
03-25-2009, 09:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crimea_River:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
I went downstairs and grabbed the instructions from my unbuilt Tamiya Flak 36/37 (kit # 35017). The reels hold communication cables. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bingo Zeus! I built that kit a long time ago and threw out the instructions. I thought I remembered those vinyl cables coiled around the spools. You've confirmed my memory is not going. Now if I could only find those instructions........ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The only 88 I ever modeled was for my Flames of War panzergrenadiers. Nice model and great in game - but 15mm FOW miniatures arent really big enough to see much detail http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zeus-cat
03-25-2009, 10:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crimea_River:
Bingo Zeus! I built that kit a long time ago and threw out the instructions. I thought I remembered those vinyl cables coiled around the spools. You've confirmed my memory is not going. Now if I could only find those instructions........ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you really need the instructions I can scan them and email them to you. Let me know zeuscat@sbcglobal.net