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LuckyBoy1
12-11-2004, 09:07 PM

Opiate364
12-11-2004, 09:24 PM
Noobs will only be ridiculed in these forums for asking really stupid questions, or questions that could have been easily answered by reading the manual, reading the readme, and searching the forums(going to the thread titled Unofficial Community FAQ).

Once you've done all that, then ask http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

icrash
12-11-2004, 09:24 PM
The ban thing may be a touch extreme IMO. But, I can understand it to some extent. Stern lecture from Bear or Ivan maybe?. I've been on the recieving end, uninstalled a game, & never been back to that particular forum. The guy was tired, miread what I typed, & went off on me. Another did stick up for me & the offender did apologize for his mistake but the incident was that much of a turn off. I asked if my system would run the game decent cause it was real close to minimum specs. I'm sure they've seen that a million times. All should be more tolerant of the newcomers cause all were noobs at one time. Heck I'm still a noob at this and I've been at it for a couple of years. Now if I could just remember to drop the landing gear....

willyvic
12-11-2004, 09:45 PM
"Some Folks Are Just Small Potatoes"

And some folks are just big fish in little ponds. Being called a noob is not the only problem reported of this forum. Talking down one's nose, being an expert in one's own mind, poo-pooing the ideas and knowledge of others are some that come to mind. It's really a compilation of attitudes that turn away the the fresh set of gamers. I agree with ya LB, callin someone a noob is not the best way to welcome or educate the newer members. Ban the offenders? Naw, just keep prodding them in the right direction and keep the peer pressure on.

WV

LuckyBoy1
12-11-2004, 09:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Opiate364:
Noobs will only be ridiculed in these forums for asking really stupid questions, or questions that could have been easily answered by reading the manual, reading the readme, and searching the forums(going to the thread titled _Unofficial Community FAQ_).

Once you've done all that, then ask http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ok, the User Fixes thread in Community Help is now 3 pages long. The Pacific Fighters manual is about 70 pages long. The table of contents is less than easy to deal with and there's no index of terms or what page to find what you're looking for in the manual. Then there's the... how many versions of IL-2 and patches for them are out there? Which rts.dll version do they need? We are talking about people who are new to the game. People who already have a somewhat negative impression of the game because it's not doing what they want it to do and they don't understand.

Ok, fair enough, your time is too valuable to waste on new people, so at least have the grace to keep quiet and let those who are willing to help in a constructive way help. A good example would be Tully. Someone will ask...

How do I get the game to show my frame rates?

In the PF manual it is clearly stated on page 24, but you still gotta go hunting it. Yet Tully manages to answer the question without the negative comments. Hunting answers is fine for those of us who have already developed enough interest in the game to sit down and read the manual and visit www.easternskies.com (http://www.easternskies.com) and read Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users and Tully's great information on joysticks and more and Coasties tweaks and Bearcat's essentials and www.airwarfare.com (http://www.airwarfare.com) and... as you can see, just to get your feet straight on the basics, it's a bit of information to digest. Think about this for a minute. You are new to the game. You buy PF and take it home and it gives you static about not finding the CD and then the rts.dll and then you go online and UBI's site won't work and play well with your router. At this point, most folks just won't invest much more effort without some extreme guidance. Should it be this way? Of course not, but until that prefect world comes to pass, if you can't say something righteous, at least hold your fire!

-HH-Quazi
12-11-2004, 09:48 PM
No one should be ridiculed for not reading anything, even if they can find the answer to their question(s) by reading the manual or a readme .txt Don't waste your time harping on these that don't read before they ask. Just allow someone to kindly answer their question. If all you want to do is make a new user feel unwelcomed, just keep your post(s) to yourselves.

Weather_Man
12-11-2004, 10:10 PM
Much depends on the poster's attitude. If he seems sincere, he will likely get good helpful answers no matter what the question. If he starts off on a misinformed, uneducated rant and it's obvious his own dufous n00bness is at fault for whatever set him off, well, then you know how that'll turn out.

Of course, there are always a few eggs who like to berate people for their own twisted pleasure. Can't do much for those folks except recommend professional help. Thankfully, it's not as bad here as other game forums.

LuckyBoy1
12-11-2004, 10:43 PM
Poor ole Weatrherman's taken more...

Specialized
High
Intensity
Training

from me than anyone could ever expect. He's a good example of how to post. With that said, try and remember, the target audience for this game is not big on gaming. May not be big on computers. They are usually men between 30-50 years of age who will be interested in this game. Trying to get the first person shooter crowd to go for this game is a waste of time. They simply don't have the patients for it as a game. The non-gaming men 30-50 years old may not have the patients it takes to get this game up and running, but they do have the mindset to play the game once they get it running. We need to try and help... and dare I say especially help those who come on with the misinformed rant. Remember, they're frustrated. Their kid didn't have any trouble getting Space Munchies III to work, so why is thisa thing a mess?... or at least that's what they're thinking.

We ban people around here for all kinds of picky nonsense. In my opinion, this isn't nonsense and also remember, UBI's got this site here so we can promote the game... not have our own little exclusive crowd.

Tully__
12-11-2004, 10:54 PM
Even I get a little frustrated when the answer to a question is two posts higher in the same thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nevertheless, I agree that all new forum members should be given the benefit of the doubt and a chance to calm down. Likewise you'll occasionally see old hands who's system has glitched and they'll come here asking what appear to be "newb" questions at first glance. It can take a bit of digging to get the right information to help them and that is often the cause of further frustration. The symptoms often don't reflect the true cause of the problem.

Old_Canuck
12-11-2004, 11:05 PM
If we appreciate this sim, it's cutting our own throat to ridicule newcomers and drive them away because we have too few adherants to this genre already. If the fan base dwindles down too far, this genre will be in danger of extinction.

Banning is a bit extreme though and I believe there should be more choices available than just banning or not banning.

As a schoolboy in California, I remember reading something about locking socially obnoxious people with their hands and feet in wooden stocks then throwing rotten fruit and vegetables at them. Or there's the ever popular dunking chair where they get dunked in the water in a sort of a see saw thingy. See? We do have more options if we use our imaginations.

Advina
12-11-2004, 11:24 PM
I have been playing FB for a long time, longer than my forum membership seems to suggest. I count myself amongst that moderate group of players who do not have the time to learn every last detail of air combat in the 1940s. Some of use have jobs, families, TV, or porn that take up the rest of our time.

That being said, I feel like I would not enjoy FB to the extent I currently do without the forums. I have asked many questions and had them answered on these forums. I am one of those players that enjoys reading the manual on the can before I install the game, but I am sure there are many who see no need to do any reading before playing. There is nothing wrong with that.

Regardless of how much time you put into the game (and it is just a game), nobody should be ridiculed for asking questions. Its not like these "noobs" come knocking on your door asking for change and a ride to the nearest bus station. If you feel like the question is too basic for you to answer then do not waste your time making a sarcastic remark. Our community is small enough without those who count it an accomplishment to whack off on a friday night to scare the rest of us away and make us feel stupid. Let us not forget that we are a group of people that wish we lived sixty years ago and had the balls of steel that real fighter pilots had. The whole sim community is both a fantasy and an honor to those who actually lived it.

My point is this - whether you bought the game because you thought olive drab matched your new shoes or you wish to know what it was like to fly a thunderbolt in combat, there is no need to put down those who share the same passion simply because you think you know more about the subject than others. History is a subject easily overlooked by the general public. If those of us who respect it and understand its value prevent new people from becoming iterested in it, how can we expect anyone to learn from the past?

History only has value if we can learn from it. Anyway, that is my two cents (.01513 Euros) I hope you enjoy yourself playing this sim, whether it be with unlimited ammo and wonderwoman view or with your eyes closed and your throttle controlled with your johnson.

Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, a joyous Kwansa, a sacred Ramadan and a miraculous any other holiday I forgot.

WTE_Ibis
12-11-2004, 11:46 PM
Those that rubbish new posters,players, shouldn't be banned,it's too extreme.
Maybe something like halving their ammo loadout or being made to fly online without a wing man for a month,something along those lines would quieten them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Ala11_Kal
12-12-2004, 02:24 AM
Advina http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

NORAD_Zooly10
12-12-2004, 02:36 AM
i agree that banning people may be a little harsh (if you mean an indefinate ban), a few days/weeks suspension would be sufficient imo.
~S~
Zooly

jakeand
12-12-2004, 03:08 AM
Advina http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

We are all n00bs, just in different levels.

regards

Jake

Bearcat99
12-12-2004, 09:03 AM
I wouldnt say ban them unless they break the rules... however.. we CAN and should police ourselves to a point..... and we do. I have seen several threads where someone got out of line and before I or one of the other mods got there community members corrected the offender. Of coure on occasion it did no good and the person was given a short vacation for being a jerk.. but in many cases the offender apologized and acted right.

Propwash
12-12-2004, 09:12 AM
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Platypus_1.JaVA
12-12-2004, 09:42 AM
If you are smart enough to start-up internet, make an UBI account and post some questions on this forum, you are smart enough to read the manual.

IF YOU GOT A MANUAL THAT IS!!!

Platypus_1.JaVA
12-12-2004, 09:44 AM
Wich is not the case if you posess a pirated copy. Even then you can look into the keyassignments in the game.

Messaschnitzel
12-12-2004, 11:48 AM
I am grateful for all of the new players that post on the forums. At many points I have had the same questions that have been posted by above said people and solved many problems that I have had with the game. I also thank all of the players that answer the posts with their patience. I have seen other forums become a shooting gallery of derision for new posters, all for the sake of a few immature experts that happen to have a truckload of free time to spend on various games. Even the nickname "nOOb" has a derisive and insulting meaning when I read or hear it. I believe that most of the people that post here are too mature and reasonable to put up with bad behavior to allow it to get out of control to the point that it puts off any new players that would otherwise ask honest and "ignorant" questions about their game. I believe that a private warning addressed to any offenders by the Moderators should do the trick in most cases. I find this forum to be fascinating, informative, and entertaining and I will keep coming back because of the people here. Beginning with the original IL2 game and its various add ons and patches, I have been able to fly all of the countless WWII airplane models that I built when I was a boy. Thank You Oleg and Company! I also thank all of the players that take the time to explain all intricacies of a complex game with dedicated webpages to this sim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif