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Woke_Up_Dead
11-08-2010, 02:14 PM
I often fly Yak fighters online, most of them have one cannon and one or two MGs, except for the 3P and the 9UT which have 3 cannons. The 3 cannon planes pack a nice punch, but I get the impression that I de-wing opponents more often when I fly planes with mixed armament, even if it's an older Yak with just one cannon and one MG. I also get the impression that opponents with mixed armament (109's, Spitfires), de-wing me more often than cannon-only planes. Does someone else notice this too, or am I imagining things?

Romanator21
11-08-2010, 02:57 PM
Maybe that just has to do with how much care you fly with? Folks who take Yak-3Ps and La-7 with the 3 cannons tend to spray quite a bit more than when they take something more "challenging" such as a Bf-109 (which is really aggravating, because I hate being taken out by those random spraying hail-Mary shots from over a kilometer)

But machine guns are not there for decoration. They actually do something. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ba5tard5word
11-08-2010, 03:43 PM
1) trying to figure out the damage modeling of the guns in the game will just learn to madness.

2) for one thing, the various MG's and cannons in the game cause different levels of damage. Someone here did a pretty extensive study a while ago and found that the Russian 12.7mm MG's were the most powerful 12.7/.50cal MG's in the game. I can't remember if he did anything on 20mm cannons.

Bankoletti
11-08-2010, 05:12 PM
Russian UBS is extremely strong in this sim - I'd change any japanese 20mm cannon for it.

Boosher
11-08-2010, 11:54 PM
The Russian Berezin MG was also historically one of the stronger 12.7mm MG's used during the war, and the ShVAK was a pretty good 20mm platform too. Two great weapons with a decent grouping definitely help get the job done.

Bankoletti
11-09-2010, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by Boosher:
The Russian Berezin MG was also historically one of the stronger 12.7mm MG's used during the war, and the ShVAK was a pretty good 20mm platform too. Two great weapons with a decent grouping definitely help get the job done.

Yup! I've read somewhere that pilots on both sides of Russian front considered 109G and Yak-9 to have an equal punch - ShVAK was comparable to Mg-151/20, while two Mg-131s were equal to single Berezin.

K_Freddie
11-10-2010, 01:58 AM
Depends on whether your target is in your focus range, then just MGs will do. When out of focus, cannons do a lot more damage.

Also the Yaks,LAs, Me109 and a/c that have their guns in the nose, have higher firepower concentration outside the focus range, making them more effective. This is besides the Russian guns having higher muzzle velocities which also is a factor.
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DKoor
11-10-2010, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Depends on whether your target is in your focus range, then just MGs will do. When out of focus, cannons do a lot more damage.

Also the Yaks,LAs, Me109 and a/c that have their guns in the nose, have higher firepower concentration outside the focus range, making them more effective. This is besides the Russian guns having higher muzzle velocities which also is a factor.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Yep... when you put things into context they look a LOT different than when outta context...

Weak/strong for instance, changes a LOT depending on the target sturdiness.

For instance you shoot UBS at 109 and dewing it.
You shoot 20mm cannon at B-29 and he laughs.

Therefore UBS > 20mm.

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Woke_Up_Dead
11-10-2010, 04:58 PM
Yes, the Soviet guns are nice and the fact that they are concentrated in the nose definitely makes them great at sniping. Still doesn't explain why I get the feeling that one cannon plus one or two mg's is better at de-winging than 3 cannons. I'm either imagining things or Romanator is right and I take more care when shooting out of the planes with more limited armament.

K_Freddie
11-11-2010, 12:03 AM
As your MG and cannon shells will have different trajectories, striking/missing at different places, you might be aiming at a point that is more suitable for either weapon, unless the target is real close. Then any gun will do.

I've manage to strip a spit of it's whole tail section from about 600m in a ME109. My gun focus is 150m, but I fired a spread along it's predicted flight path and shell trajectory - it worked but I put it down to luck and IL2s DM.

DKoor
11-16-2010, 04:35 PM
There is a lot of factors in IL-2 that determine your ultimate success in gunnery... it isn't solely your targeting capabilities (although that immensely helps, tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).

You must also put DM into equation... for instance.
Just yesterday I did one practice mission MC.202 versus four P-400 cobras on ace level...
I did shoot them up without ANY problem which may sound odd since MC.202 that I flew was equipped only with four Breda Saffat's (short = BS which indicates their "power" in 12,7 or .50cal world http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) .
Anyhow those cobras were igniting and taking heavy damage without me even setting up MG conv properly etc.
This was solely because they have "newer" more detailed DM so they take "more" damage than some old IL-2 dinosaurs like LaGG.